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[Kuldeepm952]

Fire and update capability of spike is really impressive, hope to see mpatgm variant with it, BING CHILLING

 

[FalconZero]

Here I present to you, the epitome of fnf 3rd gen atgm, try to beat this in compactness, weight and shoulder fire ability, produced since 2001:

Only if we could quantify those values and present the comparison wrt to MPATGM otherwise i don't see any point of it being posted here, can you share the weight of launcher of Spike shoulder launched variant?

 

[Covfefe]

Ye lo bhaiya maje Karo, missile weight 14.5 kg without LAUNCH TUBE and another 14.25 kg for other shits, total system weight with tripod easily 30kgs. Aap kha rhete h, this info is quite known. It's a pretty bulky system, just see the total weight of type 01lmat system, you will be surprised.View attachment 131349

Type 01 lmat is 11.4+17.5=28.9 kg. MPATGM is 14.5+14.5=29 kg, how is the former lighter?

 

[flanker99]

DRDO successfully test-fires man-portable, Gen-3, anti-tank missile

www.ajaishukla.com

 

[Dessert Storm]

Ye lo bhaiya maje Karo, missile weight 14.5 kg without LAUNCH TUBE and another 14.25 kg for other shits, total system weight with tripod easily 30kgs. Aap kha rhete h, this info is quite known. It's a pretty bulky system, just see the total weight of type 01lmat system, you will be surprised.View attachment 131349

Type 01 LMAT
Missile weight 11.7 kg
System weight 17.5 kg

Type 01 LMAT

The Type 01 LMAT (01式軽対戦車誘導弾, 01-shiki kei-tai-sensha yūdō-dan?) is a Japanese man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank missile. Development began in 1993 at Kawasaki Heavy Industries and was accepted into service in 2001. During development, the missile was designated with the codename XATM-5.[4]...

military-history.fandom.com

Edit:
MPATGM- Missile + Launcher System-Under 30 kg
Type 01 LMAT- 29.2 kg.
* Jap range is 4km
** MPATGM is not in production as of now. Expect weight improvement. Range improvement to follow. Most important was to develop launch system n missile which works in desert heat.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Type 01 LMAT
Missile weight 11.7 kg
System weight 17.5 kg

Type 01 LMAT

The Type 01 LMAT (01式軽対戦車誘導弾, 01-shiki kei-tai-sensha yūdō-dan?) is a Japanese man-portable fire-and-forget anti-tank missile. Development began in 1993 at Kawasaki Heavy Industries and was accepted into service in 2001. During development, the missile was designated with the codename XATM-5.[4]...

military-history.fandom.com

Edit:
MPATGM- Missile + Launcher System-Under 30 kg
Type 01 LMAT- 29.2 kg.
* Jap range is 4km

japs are most of the times ahead of us

 

[WARREN SS]

japs are most of the times ahead of us

we never tried JV for Turbofan engine technologies
With Japan and South Korea

All three has separate fifth generation programs that needs
Indigenous engines


Japanese marched ahead with XF9

Guess to closeness to muricans

 

[Dessert Storm]

Type 01 lmat is 11.4+17.5=28.9 kg. MPATGM is 14.5+14.5=29 kg, how is the former lighter?
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Any idea as to why the Indian missile would be longer by 330 mm compared to the Japanese one?

 

[Covfefe]

Any idea as to why the Indian missile would be longer by 330 mm compared to the Japanese one?

no idea, even when its stated range is higher at 4 km. Min range is however 400m as compared to 200m for MPATGM

 

[Dessert Storm]

no idea, even when its stated range is higher at 4 km. Min range is however 400m as compared to 200m for MPATGM

I have previously read that MPATGM has a range of 200m-4km. Probably they max out the range at 2.5km for deserts.
I can't find the penetration of the Type 01. Ours is around 650mm.
Type 01 diameter is 140mm vs MPATGM 120mm.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Type 01 lmat is 11.4+17.5=28.9 kg. MPATGM is 14.5+14.5=29 kg, how is the former lighter?
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Ankhon m phenyl dalna pda. Yeh kya likh rhe ho.
Missile weight is 11.4 kg and system weight including missile is 17.5 kg. It's shoulder fired, how does weight of clu be 17.5 kg, rip logic , have attached image above of it being manned.
Bhagwan k liye ye English ki aisi mat karo, phele bhi mene DessertStorm bhaiya ka 14.5 kg wala mpatgm whole system weight doubt clear Kiya tha.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

no idea, even when its stated range is higher at 4 km. Min range is however 400m as compared to 200m for MPATGM

Official source or brochure for 4km range of mpatgm. Even drdo site says 2.5km?? I would be the happiest person if it's actually 4km.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Only if we could quantify those values and present the comparison wrt to MPATGM otherwise i don't see any point of it being posted here, can you share the weight of launcher of Spike shoulder launched variant?

It's type01 lmat, not spike. Weight of complete firing unit at 17.5 kg, lightest and shortest in class. Baaki aap search kar le.

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Here's a comparision of fnf 2.5km range atgms whole system:-

1.) Mpatgm- 28.75kg, tripod weight not included, brochure mentions 14.5kg weight for missile(not including missile tube) and 14.25kg for TAS, taking tripod weight at 2.8kg that of spike and a 1.5kg fibreglass missile tube, total mpatgm weight comes to around 33kgs.

2.) Type01 lmat- 17.5kg, shoulder fired, japan

3.) Raybolt- 20kg, shoulder fired, south korean

4.) Javelin- 22.3kg old clu, 19.1kg new clu

5.) Spike Mr- 26.8kg old gen, new gen likely to be lighter, tripod launched

Now, how the hell our missile weighs more than other modern missiles while having practically less range than spike lr having more range.
Also, 14.5kg for TAS(Includes clu,thermal and other shits integrated) is really too much when clu of all atgms weight at average of 6kgs, new javelin clu at measly 3.2kgs. Only old spike clu was 12.5 kgs, new ones are lighter like others.

Here's another one MMP atgm development started in 2010, whole tripod+clu+battery weighs 11 kg and ou clu only weighs 14.25kg and mpatgm development started much later.

Drdo was supposed to put contemporary atgm quality product. Infact we started the fnf 3rd gen mpatgm late of all and still got the worst of all.

For uniformed man portable fnf atgm main components are:- (missile including launch tube)+(clu or tas)+(tripod if needed).

MPATGM should be inducted in batches and a new contemporary variant should be developed like that of MMP and spike lr2, lighter, multi target, networked and fire on grid n update capability.

A good first try worth inducting in large numbers unless next variant is made.View attachment 131423

 

[alphabravo]

Here's a comparision of fnf 2.5km range atgms whole system:-

1.) Mpatgm- 28.75kg, tripod weight not included, brochure mentions 14.5kg weight for missile(not including missile tube) and 14.25kg for TAS, taking tripod weight at 2.8kg that of spike and a 1.5kg fibreglass missile tube, total mpatgm weight comes to around 33kgs.

2.) Type01 lmat- 17.5kg, shoulder fired, japan

3.) Raybolt- 20kg, shoulder fired, south korean

4.) Javelin- 22.3kg old clu, 19.1kg new clu

5.) Spike Mr- 26.8kg old gen, new gen likely to be lighter, tripod launched

Now, how the hell our missile weighs more than other modern missiles while having practically less range than spike lr having more range.
Also, 14.5kg for TAS(Includes clu,thermal and other shits integrated) is really too much when clu of all atgms weight at average of 6kgs, new javelin clu at measly 3.2kgs. Only old spike clu was 12.5 kgs, new ones are lighter like others.

Here's another one MMP atgm development started in 2010, whole tripod+clu+battery weighs 11 kg and ou clu only weighs 14.25kg and mpatgm development started much later.

Drdo was supposed to put contemporary atgm quality product. Infact we started the fnf 3rd gen mpatgm late of all and still got the worst of all.

For uniformed man portable fnf atgm main components are:- (missile including launch tube)+(clu or tas)+(tripod if needed).

MPATGM should be inducted in batches and a new contemporary variant should be developed like that of MMP and spike lr2, lighter, multi target, networked and fire on grid n update capability.

A good first try worth inducting in large numbers unless next variant is made.View attachment 131423

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Mpatgm has a range limitation to 2.5 km unlike its contemporaries because it is a missile made to fire in lock on before launch mode only. Spike lr2, Mmp missile can fire up to 5 km because all of them have Fibre optics connections and can be fired on lock on after fire mode. The range of Mpatgm is a Fire control issue and not a propulsion limitation.
Mpatgm requires the user to lock target up through CLU first. If CLU can lock target up to 3-4 km( which I assume it can at night in old weather when engine running tank will stand out) then Mpatgm can be used till 4km too. But unless drdo adopts fibre optics for guidance then Mpatgm all weather range will be limited to 2.5 km like the old javelin and spike missile.

 

[WolfPack86]

Centre Halts Multiple Defence Import Projects To Promote Atmanirbhar Bharat
With a bid to promote the Atmanirbhar Bharat initiative in the defence sector, the Modi-led government at the Centre is all set to scrap several defence import projects earlier acquired through the Buy (Global) route. The initiative which was earlier launched under the Defence Ministry on the instructions of PM Modi has now confirmed that a number of import projects worth crores will be scraped and further will be given to Indian manufacturers.

This came in the backdrop of the recent Defence Production and Export Promotion Policy laid down by the central government which looks forward to strengthening defence production within the country and further supporting exporting to foreign countries. Meanwhile, as far as the scraping of imported products is concerned, the Defence Ministry is likely to hold a meeting on Wednesday, January 12 during which all the imports under the Buy (Global) category will be reviewed and further it will be shelved or will be kept on hold, reported ANI.

Centre likely to push defence projects towards Indian manufacturers
Earlier under the Buy (Global) category, multiple defence import projects were taken up by the Indian government where defence forces would fully import items from foreign vendors for the Indian Navy, Air Force, as well as the Army. Though, after the projects are shelved, the first preference will be given to Indian Developed Designed and Manufactured (IDDM) products which will make a major boost towards Centre's Make in India initiative and benefit a lot of Indian manufacturers promoting Atma Nirbhar Bharat in the defence sector.

Now the scraping will impact the three major units, especially the Navy which was in the fairly advanced stage of the Kamov helicopter project. Along with that, multiple projects including combat platforms, guns, and vessels affected by new intuition of the government. Earlier, a review meeting chaired by Prime Minister Narendra Modi also saw discussions on the strong measures needed to be taken for moving towards Atma Nirbhar Bharat in the defence sector. The meeting was attended by many Defence Ministry officials including the Chief of Defence Staff, General Bipin Rawat.

Shortly after the meeting, in a note to the three Services by an Additional Secretary-rank officer of the Ministry stated that all stakeholders must take an in-principle call that no import of defence items will be going forward. Also, all the capital and revenue procurement proposed or currently underway will be critically reviewed and it will be completed by January 15.

Centre halts multiple defence import projects to promote Atmanirbhar Bharat

With a bid to promote the Atma Nirbhar Bharat initiative, PM Modi-led government at the Centre is all set to scrap defence import projects under Buy (Global)

www.republicworld.com

 

[fire starter]

Here's a comparision of fnf 2.5km range atgms whole system:-

1.) Mpatgm- 28.75kg, tripod weight not included, brochure mentions 14.5kg weight for missile(not including missile tube) and 14.25kg for TAS, taking tripod weight at 2.8kg that of spike and a 1.5kg fibreglass missile tube, total mpatgm weight comes to around 33kgs.

2.) Type01 lmat- 17.5kg, shoulder fired, japan

3.) Raybolt- 20kg, shoulder fired, south korean

4.) Javelin- 22.3kg old clu, 19.1kg new clu

5.) Spike Mr- 26.8kg old gen, new gen likely to be lighter, tripod launched

Now, how the hell our missile weighs more than other modern missiles while having practically less range than spike lr having more range.
Also, 14.5kg for TAS(Includes clu,thermal and other shits integrated) is really too much when clu of all atgms weight at average of 6kgs, new javelin clu at measly 3.2kgs. Only old spike clu was 12.5 kgs, new ones are lighter like others.

Here's another one MMP atgm development started in 2010, whole tripod+clu+battery weighs 11 kg and ou clu only weighs 14.25kg and mpatgm development started much later.

Drdo was supposed to put contemporary atgm quality product. Infact we started the fnf 3rd gen mpatgm late of all and still got the worst of all.

For uniformed man portable fnf atgm main components are:- (missile including launch tube)+(clu or tas)+(tripod if needed).

MPATGM should be inducted in batches and a new contemporary variant should be developed like that of MMP and spike lr2, lighter, multi target, networked and fire on grid n update capability.

A good first try worth inducting in large numbers unless next variant is made.View attachment 131423

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Weight of MPATGM tripod+CLU+battery+thermal sight is 14.25 kg.

 

[Love Charger]

Here's a comparision of fnf 2.5km range atgms whole system:-

1.) Mpatgm- 28.75kg, tripod weight not included, brochure mentions 14.5kg weight for missile(not including missile tube) and 14.25kg for TAS, taking tripod weight at 2.8kg that of spike and a 1.5kg fibreglass missile tube, total mpatgm weight comes to around 33kgs.

2.) Type01 lmat- 17.5kg, shoulder fired, japan

3.) Raybolt- 20kg, shoulder fired, south korean

4.) Javelin- 22.3kg old clu, 19.1kg new clu

5.) Spike Mr- 26.8kg old gen, new gen likely to be lighter, tripod launched

Now, how the hell our missile weighs more than other modern missiles while having practically less range than spike lr having more range.
Also, 14.5kg for TAS(Includes clu,thermal and other shits integrated) is really too much when clu of all atgms weight at average of 6kgs, new javelin clu at measly 3.2kgs. Only old spike clu was 12.5 kgs, new ones are lighter like others.

Here's another one MMP atgm development started in 2010, whole tripod+clu+battery weighs 11 kg and ou clu only weighs 14.25kg and mpatgm development started much later.

Drdo was supposed to put contemporary atgm quality product. Infact we started the fnf 3rd gen mpatgm late of all and still got the worst of all.

For uniformed man portable fnf atgm main components are:- (missile including launch tube)+(clu or tas)+(tripod if needed).

MPATGM should be inducted in batches and a new contemporary variant should be developed like that of MMP and spike lr2, lighter, multi target, networked and fire on grid n update capability.

A good first try worth inducting in large numbers unless next variant is made.View attachment 131423

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Such a nice kitty , I will never fight her , she can win.

 

[JohnWick]

The meeting was attended by many Defence Ministry officials including the Chief of Defence Staff, General Bipin Rawat.

I am glad General Bipin Rawat's ghost was able to take time from heaven to attend this meeting.

 

[arkos]

Here's a comparision of fnf 2.5km range atgms whole system:-

1.) Mpatgm- 28.75kg, tripod weight not included, brochure mentions 14.5kg weight for missile(not including missile tube) and 14.25kg for TAS, taking tripod weight at 2.8kg that of spike and a 1.5kg fibreglass missile tube, total mpatgm weight comes to around 33kgs.

2.) Type01 lmat- 17.5kg, shoulder fired, japan

3.) Raybolt- 20kg, shoulder fired, south korean

4.) Javelin- 22.3kg old clu, 19.1kg new clu

5.) Spike Mr- 26.8kg old gen, new gen likely to be lighter, tripod launched

Now, how the hell our missile weighs more than other modern missiles while having practically less range than spike lr having more range.
Also, 14.5kg for TAS(Includes clu,thermal and other shits integrated) is really too much when clu of all atgms weight at average of 6kgs, new javelin clu at measly 3.2kgs. Only old spike clu was 12.5 kgs, new ones are lighter like others.

Here's another one MMP atgm development started in 2010, whole tripod+clu+battery weighs 11 kg and ou clu only weighs 14.25kg and mpatgm development started much later.

Drdo was supposed to put contemporary atgm quality product. Infact we started the fnf 3rd gen mpatgm late of all and still got the worst of all.

For uniformed man portable fnf atgm main components are:- (missile including launch tube)+(clu or tas)+(tripod if needed).

MPATGM should be inducted in batches and a new contemporary variant should be developed like that of MMP and spike lr2, lighter, multi target, networked and fire on grid n update capability.

A good first try worth inducting in large numbers unless next variant is made.View attachment 131423

View attachment 131422

Western countries are inducting fifth generation ATGMs, DRDO is testing a third generation ATGM.