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[Tridev123]

Maybe the upgrades can include
1.An APS system if the Russian APS is good.
The Chinese have or are going to offer their APS system for the VT4 tanks
supplied to the Pak army.
2.Latest version of APFSDS ammunition which will match the Pakistan DU round.
Unconfirmed reports say that the latest Pak APFSDS rounds have higher
degree of penetration on RHA than Indian equivalents.
3.Help to integrate our domestic CLGM on to the T90 main gun.
4.A more powerful engine pack(difficult).
5.A state of the art Thermal Sight system which will enable the T90 to operate
effectively even in pitch darkness.
6.Networking of tanks so that what one tank sees can be seen by the rest of the
fleet thereby improving situational awareness. Sharing tactical information.

Let's see what eventually comes out. The Porks are reportedly upbeat with the new Chinese VT4 tank. Getting high on Chinese junk. But we need to honestly assess if the VT4 offers something new.

 

[arnabmit]

How come all your tweets are unavailable?

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Maybe the upgrades can include
1.An APS system if the Russian APS is good.
The Chinese have or are going to offer their APS system for the VT4 tanks
supplied to the Pak army.
2.Latest version of APFSDS ammunition which will match the Pakistan DU round.
Unconfirmed reports say that the latest Pak APFSDS rounds have higher
degree of penetration on RHA than Indian equivalents.
3.Help to integrate our domestic CLGM on to the T90 main gun.
4.A more powerful engine pack(difficult).
5.A state of the art Thermal Sight system which will enable the T90 to operate
effectively even in pitch darkness.
6.Networking of tanks so that what one tank sees can be seen by the rest of the
fleet thereby improving situational awareness. Sharing tactical information.

Let's see what eventually comes out. The Porks are reportedly upbeat with the new Chinese VT4 tank. Getting high on Chinese junk. But we need to honestly assess if the VT4 offers something new.

The most likely option I see is that Russia is offering kits to upgrade our current T-90S standard tanks to T-90MS standard(export version of Russia's own T-90M modernized T-90 MBT).

 

[fire starter]

 

[Tridev123]

The most likely option I see is that Russia is offering kits to upgrade our current T-90S standard tanks to T-90MS standard(export version of Russia's own T-90M modernized T-90 MBT).

Some of the advanced technologies developed for the Armata tank by Russia can be considered for adoption on the T90 if found technically feasible.

The Russians have developed newer versions of their ERA. But whether it will be offered to India is unknown.

What is the status of the Arjun mk2. Reports say that the turret has been redesigned and HNS used to reduce weight. Also a 1500HP Bharat Power Pack modular engine is being developed. But no photos of the tank have been released.
Hope. the end product is a sleek and futuristic looking tank. India needs to work on an indigenous APS for tanks. I predict that APS will become a standard fitment for all future tank designs. We should also be able to manufacture 125 mmm smooth bore tank guns indigenously.

 

[Bleh]

What is this exactly?.. An ATGM launched from what missile (lakshya drone test below if any1 hasn't seen)?

 

[Covfefe]

What is this exactly?.. An ATGM launched from what?

Multiple missiles with their independent seeker and propulsion assemblies (miniaturised ofcourse) inside a mother missile. Something like MIRV of Prithvi

 

[Bleh]

Multiple missiles with their independent seeker and propulsion assemblies (miniaturised ofcourse) inside a mother missile. Something like MIRV of Prithvi

Ah now that's proper... So you aim a ballistic missile towards known location of a armoured formation.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

Why is the Shaped Charge pointing out the side of the missile?

Why do you think ?

Most probably top attack while flying over target same as in TOW 2B

Multiple missiles with their independent seeker and propulsion assemblies (miniaturised ofcourse) inside a mother missile. Something like MIRV of Prithvi

Ah now that's proper... So you aim a ballistic missile towards known location of a armoured formation.

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Given that that the shaped charge is pointing to a side and as @porky_kicker said that its most likely for top-attack while flying just over the target, and then added to it the fact that it was test-launched from a Lakshya target drone, could it mean that its meant to be carried not in a ballistic missile but in a cruise missile? So maybe a BrahMos or ITCM battery with MLPGM warheads taking out an Armoured Regiment? Because if its meant to be carried in a Ballistic missile, its speed on arrival at target would be pretty high (unless a retro-thruster is used) and at such high speeds:-
1) Its IIR seeker would be blinded due to friction heating at its nose
2) Its control surfaces wouldn't have enough control authority to change its trajectory from a steep dive approach to a level flight so that its side-pointing shaped-charge can act on the top of the tank like a TOW-2B.
On a cruise missile, especially a subsonic cruise missile, this problem of high speed and steep trajectory wouldn't arise.

 

[Covfefe]

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Given that that the shaped charge is pointing to a side and as @porky_kicker said that its most likely for top-attack while flying just over the target, and then added to it the fact that it was test-launched from a Lakshya target drone, could it mean that its meant to be carried not in a ballistic missile but in a cruise missile? So maybe a BrahMos or ITCM battery with MLPGM warheads taking out an Armoured Regiment? Because if its meant to be carried in a Ballistic missile, its speed on arrival at target would be pretty high (unless a retro-thruster is used) and at such high speeds:-
1) Its IIR seeker would be blinded due to friction heating at its nose
2) Its control surfaces wouldn't have enough control authority to change its trajectory from a steep dive approach to a level flight so that its side-pointing shaped-charge can act on the top of the tank like a TOW-2B.
On a cruise missile, especially a subsonic cruise missile, this problem of high speed and steep trajectory wouldn't arise.

Makes sense, terminal guidance of ballistic warheads is very difficult to attain (chinks claim to have achieved those in DF21D, but those are still claims- having control surfaces at that speed is a metallurgical nightmare).it might be a subsonic cruise missile or a glide bomb (something huge like MOAB)

 

[AMCA]

 

[The Shrike]

Ya'll Nibbiars using the French Frigate poster what has happened to the defence decode.

I wish people stop using "for representative purpose onlee" images, if you don't have a photo, just don't post one that is unrelated.

 

[SavageKing456]

 

[Tuco]

Ah now that's proper... So you aim a ballistic missile towards known location of a armoured formation.

Sorry couldn't resist lol.

I am curious though, how many of these can a missile carry to make meaningful impact? May be multiple missiles would be launched.

 

[ezsasa]

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Given that that the shaped charge is pointing to a side and as @porky_kicker said that its most likely for top-attack while flying just over the target, and then added to it the fact that it was test-launched from a Lakshya target drone, could it mean that its meant to be carried not in a ballistic missile but in a cruise missile? So maybe a BrahMos or ITCM battery with MLPGM warheads taking out an Armoured Regiment? Because if its meant to be carried in a Ballistic missile, its speed on arrival at target would be pretty high (unless a retro-thruster is used) and at such high speeds:-
1) Its IIR seeker would be blinded due to friction heating at its nose
2) Its control surfaces wouldn't have enough control authority to change its trajectory from a steep dive approach to a level flight so that its side-pointing shaped-charge can act on the top of the tank like a TOW-2B.
On a cruise missile, especially a subsonic cruise missile, this problem of high speed and steep trajectory wouldn't arise.

not convinced that a traditional cruise missile can be used for this purpose, given that neither LOAL nor LOBL cannot happen at such long distances. there needs to be a target confirmation and relay system in between to identify the target in battlefield clutter that would exist in a traditional military to military scenario.

if we are to take this assumption forward, then deployment from CATS alpha and CATS hunter combination makes more sense perhaps.

 

[Tuco]

not convinced that a traditional cruise missile can be used for this purpose, given that neither LOAL nor LOBL cannot happen at such long distances. there needs to be a target confirmation and relay system in between to identify the target in battlefield clutter that would exist in a traditional military to military scenario.

if we are to take this assumption forward, then deployment from CATS alpha and CATS hunter combination makes more sense perhaps.

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Also the tanks/targets are spread out over a large area, so dispersal should be at a good height for missiles to acquire and allocate the targets among themselves?

 

[porky_kicker]

Seriously ?

There you have the SMART which is a high supersonic ballistic missile carrying and launching a torpedo which in the first place is never meant to fly that too in supersonic speeds ( reminds me will need to make a infographic on how it is deployed someday )

If one can do that whats stopping one from launching miniature missiles from a mother ballistic missile

A ASBM requires terminal guidance for a moving target, not a munitions dispensing ballistic missile , which simply needs to deploy over target area

And if terminal guidance is a problem as someone said than how is Prithvi missile launching 30+ of RDPS ( Runaway Denial Penetration Submunition) over the designated runway ?

IIR seeker blinded by air friction ? If thats the case all ATGMs & AAMs & guided munitions with IIR seekersr is a wasted effort

Lack of control authority by control surfaces ? If so wont wont the designers be the first to be concerned about it ?

When a weapon system is designed every possible factor is taken into consideration , 99% of which even we cannot fathom. They are professionals we are not

 

[Covfefe]

Seriously ?

There you have the SMART which is a high supersonic ballistic missile carrying and launching a torpedo which in the first place is never meant to fly that too in supersonic speeds ( reminds me will need to make a infographic on how it is deployed someday )

If one can do that whats stopping one from launching miniature missiles from a mother ballistic missile

A ASBM requires terminal guidance for a moving target, not a munitions dispensing ballistic missile , which simply needs to deploy over target area

And if terminal guidance is a problem as someone said than how is Prithvi missile launching 30+ of RDPS ( Runaway Denial Penetration Submunition) over the designated runway ?

IIR seeker blinded by air friction ? If thats the case all ATGMs & AAMs & guided munitions with IIR seekersr is a wasted effort

Lack of control authority by control surfaces ? If so wont wont the designers be the first to be concerned about it ?

When a weapon system is designed every possible factor is taken into consideration , 99% of which even we cannot fathom. They are professionals we are not

DRDO SMART uses terminal velocity reduction before the deployment of torpedo which travels quite a distance while homing onto the submarine. Armored columns are way more agile than a submarine deep inside water.
Problem is not that of deployment it's that of guidance. Prithvi hits a static target within a certain CEP. It just needs to make a big crater in the runway to render it useless practically, not a distributed damage throughout the 3500m odd length at pinpointed precise locations.

Again comparison of ATGM, AAM and Ballistic/Quasi Ballistic is incorrect.
Terminal speed ATGM- 300 m/s
Terminal speed AAM - 1500 m/s
Terminal speed Quasi Ballistic Missile -2500 m/s

At such speeds during endospheric operations providing control surfaces is a nightmare. Or else why do you think we don't have hypersonic air to air missiles??(M>5)

And nowhere it is said that MLPGM is ballistic in any communication by the developing agency, so no point of assuming which anyway seems unlikely.

 

[SavageKing456]

Hey @SavageKing456 bro, can you please delete this post, actually this event was not open to the media, it was a closed off event, these pics shouldn't be in the public domain.

lmao,sorry
Deleted,now
I thought it was for public