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[Chinmoy]

100 kw DEW with just range of 5km?
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@Chinmoy

Yes. Nothing surprising in here.

 

[fire starter]

 

[fire starter]

Yes. Nothing surprising in here.

It's too less considering they are using solid state laser here.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Compare it with this

 

[Chinmoy]

It's too less considering they are using solid state laser here.

Doesn't matter. What matter most is the wavelength of the laser. They are using 35 cm aperture which in itself is huge. Moreover it is a vehicle mounted, which indicates a smaller power source.
But you can't expect DRDO to state exact range publicly.

 

[patriots]

Arde is making an antidrone system
With a lmg

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Arde is making an antidrone system
With a lmg

7.62 mm lmg or insas lmg

 

[patriots]

7.62 mm lmg or insas lmg

Arde developed 7.62 lmg
Is mentioned

 

[fire starter]

Doesn't matter. What matter most is the wavelength of the laser. They are using 35 cm aperture which in itself is huge. Moreover it is a vehicle mounted, which indicates a smaller power source.
But you can't expect DRDO to state exact range publicly.

It must be at advance stage of development if I am not wrong and there are 25kw , 50kw DEW as well.

 

[Chinmoy]

It's depends on electric engine layout and by the way that precious system which army want to replace was COMPACT and if I am not wrong compact systems are more easy to replace most of the times.

Also here is the layout of the hydraulic system.

These system that army want will definitely increase the weight.

One must ask army Lobby then, what is the primary concern for them weight or compact system that keep the weight down? this is plain repeat of ARJUN weight saga .


Not directed at you:-

Glad that internet is there today otherwise this plain IMPORT MINDSET WOULD HAD NOT CAME OUT IN open.

This is just another arjun in making.
Look like Israelis and if I may abuse these people and it's lobby are like s%+ms at the top of a beautiful dish.

This import army will never allow induction of ATAGS system.

Baba can at least do one thing and in the name of progress appoint an indigenous force feeder and "fired" paper pusher in the defense Minister post.

Man I am even writing in Gujarati if he is reading.
બાબા ઓછામાં ઓછું એક કામ કરી શકે છે અને કૃપા કરીને પ્રગતિના નામે સ્વદેશી દળ ફીડરની નિમણૂક કરો અને સંરક્ષણ પ્રધાન પદ પર કા firedી મુકેલી "કા firedી મુકાય".

Now there lies the problem with technical people like Amiet or others. They do see only the technical perspective and leave alone or I would say undermine the user requirement or why user is asking for that particular requirement.

An electrical drive system is of course better then hydraulics when it comes to targeting. But I would not agree with maintenance part here. An electrical drive consists of chains and interconnected gears. Break down of anyone of this component would make the whole system ineffective. On other hand, a hydraulic system consists of hydraulic liquid, tubes and arms. Now in case of a failure if you have to replace a hydraulic part on field, it is much more easier and even a nontechnical person could do it with a pair or wrench. But replacing or rectifying a faulty electrical drive needs highly trained personal for the job.
So from user perspective, which is better? A job which could be done by the existing crew or a job for which you have to train a set of crew specially?

Let me tell you a real life experience I had faced.
After Kargil, a new system was introduced across India for border monitoring. The system was put forward along with a Petrol genset which was miles ahead in performance then its K-oil counterpart. To say, its state of the art at that time. The setup was performing faultlessly across India, but problem started arising at the Himalayan heights.
The genset was provided with a flip switch to make the job easy for user where he don't have to use physical power in chord pulling to startup the genset. But at that temperature, the battery would not budge and user have to physically start up the generator which in itself is an arduous task at 14 or 15k altitude. Even if the generator starts, it just runs for 30 second at max and shutdown automatically. Reason being carbon formation on the spark plug due to inadequate oxygen supply. So at last for those sites, the Petrol genset was replaced with the older K-oil gensets which worked flawlessly.

So you could see that an advance system comes with its own set of challenges. If it works in certain geographical location flawlessly, it doesn't mean it would work same across different geography or environmental conditions.
Moreover as many youtubers are discussing, do you think IA has got up one fine day and decided to change the drive mechanism of ATAGS? It has been considered for long and most probably been put across the design table long ago. I remember Baba Kalyani stating that the weight of ATAGS could be brought down to 16 T. It means major design changes has already been put forwarded long ago to bring down the overall weight.

 

[SUPERPOWER]

Why have they fitted a gun in bathing tub!!!!

 

[fire starter]

Why have they fitted a gun in bathing tub!!!!

Bcz It's a multi purpose, multi role air defense gun.

 

[ezsasa]

Why have they fitted a gun in bathing tub!!!!

this gives a better picture of how it works. Answer is shrapnel.

 

[Akula]

Arde is making an antidrone system
With a lmg

They took Somnath Mukherjee seriously.

 

[Marliii]

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Arde is making an antidrone system
With a lmg

a 7.62/5.56 CIWS would be perfect.

 

[ladder]

this gives a better picture of how it works. Answer is shrapnel.

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L40/ 70 which have been upgraded have electrical drive/ electrical laying and also has battery for operation.
Any similarity of the above statement with ATAGS is purely coincidental

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

I just found out that talwar class frigates have a better 100 mm A- 100 Russian naval cannon than Kolkata class , which have a 76 mm oto melara gun.
India should have got 130 mm A- 130
Naval gun for Visakhapatnam class , ruskies use this thing on their Kirov and slava class ships.

 

[Leonardo Alves]

Now there lies the problem with technical people like Amiet or others. They do see only the technical perspective and leave alone or I would say undermine the user requirement or why user is asking for that particular requirement.

An electrical drive system is of course better then hydraulics when it comes to targeting. But I would not agree with maintenance part here. An electrical drive consists of chains and interconnected gears. Break down of anyone of this component would make the whole system ineffective. On other hand, a hydraulic system consists of hydraulic liquid, tubes and arms. Now in case of a failure if you have to replace a hydraulic part on field, it is much more easier and even a nontechnical person could do it with a pair or wrench. But replacing or rectifying a faulty electrical drive needs highly trained personal for the job.
So from user perspective, which is better? A job which could be done by the existing crew or a job for which you have to train a set of crew specially?

Let me tell you a real life experience I had faced.
After Kargil, a new system was introduced across India for border monitoring. The system was put forward along with a Petrol genset which was miles ahead in performance then its K-oil counterpart. To say, its state of the art at that time. The setup was performing faultlessly across India, but problem started arising at the Himalayan heights.
The genset was provided with a flip switch to make the job easy for user where he don't have to use physical power in chord pulling to startup the genset. But at that temperature, the battery would not budge and user have to physically start up the generator which in itself is an arduous task at 14 or 15k altitude. Even if the generator starts, it just runs for 30 second at max and shutdown automatically. Reason being carbon formation on the spark plug due to inadequate oxygen supply. So at last for those sites, the Petrol genset was replaced with the older K-oil gensets which worked flawlessly.

So you could see that an advance system comes with its own set of challenges. If it works in certain geographical location flawlessly, it doesn't mean it would work same across different geography or environmental conditions.
Moreover as many youtubers are discussing, do you think IA has got up one fine day and decided to change the drive mechanism of ATAGS? It has been considered for long and most probably been put across the design table long ago. I remember Baba Kalyani stating that the weight of ATAGS could be brought down to 16 T. It means major design changes has already been put forwarded long ago to bring down the overall weight.

A compact system basically mean you can replace whole part in the field, so I doubt about replacement thing and replacing belts is not hard in any sense in comparison to a rust and temperature prone hydraulic jack.

And I simply can't believe how a revolutionary jack will be built along with it's own support heat exchanging system as well as valves and actuators and will be made into lesser weight.

I have seen these type of dramas during arjun saga too.

As for your IMPORT ARMY well former great DM sir parrikar ji himself said something about army procurement system so let's not better go there.

And where kalyani said by removing present systems with heavy systems he can decrease weight? It's not feasible at all without removing other parts too or by going to titanium.

Also this gun just passed sikkim trials, I don't know seriously what they tried to prove in that trial.

I say sometimes it is better that we COMMON FOLKS know somewhat as what is going on within these sort of trials? goals that are achieved should be put out.

 

[ezsasa]

L40/ 70 which have been upgraded have electrical drive/ electrical laying and also has battery for operation.
Any similarity of the above statement with ATAGS is purely coincidental

difference is that AD gun legacy systems will continue to exist along with upgraded ones. 428 is the number that is planned to be upgraded or new systems.

ATAGS on the other hand, since it is a new system there is no legacy to fall back on except for a different gun system with different calibre.