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[mandestiny]

So why don't they replicate it on other projects as well.

I think IA accept DRDO products in missile area only becoz they know they will not get phoren mall.

 

[Chinmoy]

So why don't they replicate it on other projects as well.

Setting up a design bureau takes time. FARP program has been initialized back in 1999. But till 2020 GSQR for Towed Howitzer has not been finalized.

So the way things are moving now, we might see some positive changes down the line, but it would take time for sure.

 

[ladder]

ARDE anti drone system.
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You just need to mate Smash 2000 plus like FCS onto the lmg and you will get a hard kill system effective upto 500 m

 

[Chinmoy]

>concern for weight
Do you realise that you are just making excuses at this point right? ATAGs showed that they are more than capable even with that weight.

From the print :
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DRDO will begin trials of Made-in-India towed artillery in June but Army still has ‘concerns’

While the DRDO insists ATAGS are better than the Israeli ATHOS, the army has voiced concern over its weight and inability to meet critical performance parameters.

theprint.in

It's the army's fault that they are shit tier at communication, weight is not an issue but an excuse for import loving dalals.

Do you have any official complain about the electric drive from army before any just few weeks back?

Have you taken into account the additional cost factor which would come into account with this increased weight?

Or do you want IA to start washing the dirty laundry of other government departments in public?

 

[vishnugupt]

Okay so after modifying the gun with hydraulics drive,will they start the trials again,from scratch?
Or would directly induct em?

 

[FalconZero]

Have you taken into account the additional cost factor which would come into account with this increased weight?

Or do you want IA to start washing the dirty laundry of other government departments in public?

Import lobby has already damaged and affected us economically than any slight increase in weight will ever do, your first excuse of ease of use was somewhat reasonable but now I can just laugh at these points mate.

> About laundry cleaning

No, I don't want to wait for decades and then get an RFI for foreign washing machine vendors /s

 

[vishnugupt]

Have you taken into account the additional cost factor which would come into account with this increased weight?

Or do you want IA to start washing the dirty laundry of other government departments in public?

I really admire you brother. The way you try to defend dishonesty and malpractice of Armed forces none other can do. Sometime even you surpass Manish Sisodiya and Arvind Kejriwal.
This is crystal clear IA deliberately derailing ATAGs project in the favour of ATHOS.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

this is a 130 mm Soviet or Russian AK 130 naval artillery .
This should have been mounted on project 15 b class.
What we have mounted on it

oto melara 76 mm super rapid gun.
This one is a pichkari

 

[Akula]

Alpha-S drone inside wind tunnel.

 

[Chinmoy]

A compact system basically mean you can replace whole part in the field, so I doubt about replacement thing and replacing belts is not hard in any sense in comparison to a rust and temperature prone hydraulic jack.

And I simply can't believe how a revolutionary jack will be built along with it's own support heat exchanging system as well as valves and actuators and will be made into lesser weight.

I have seen these type of dramas during arjun saga too.

As for your IMPORT ARMY well former great DM sir parrikar ji himself said something about army procurement system so let's not better go there.

And where kalyani said by removing present systems with heavy systems he can decrease weight? It's not feasible at all without removing other parts too or by going to titanium.

Also this gun just passed sikkim trials, I don't know seriously what they tried to prove in that trial.

I say sometimes it is better that we COMMON FOLKS know somewhat as what is going on within these sort of trials? goals that are achieved should be put out.

You suggested a video where it has been mentioned that replacing the current electric drive system with hydraulic drive would bring down the overall weight of ATAGS. So either you stick by what you suggest or do make up your mind on what you want to suggest.

Hydraulic drive of FH-77 made by OFB have performed exceedingly in the temperature range of -6.9 to 10 degree. So from where have got the idea that hydraulics fails in low temperature? Moreover I have already shared my personal experience regarding electronics failure in extreme cold. Electrical drive system requires its own power unit which runs on battery. And we all know how drop in temperature effects battery. A died down battery in mid of firing is not going to help the state of the art system.

During hot and cold trial, every subsystems gets tested. Obviously there has been failure in drive system which is not uncommon. Now it means user has faced issues during maintenance during this time. So from developers point of view, if a system performs well after maintenance, its working fine. But from user point of view, if he has to put in extra effort during the maintenance procedure, then its a costly affair for him.
Our whole artillery regiment is well versed and acquainted with hydraulic drive system and trained on that. Introduction of an electrical drive would mean that the whole training regime of the artillery division had to be changed. Do you have any idea about the cost implication because of that?

We are no sitting on a trillion dollar economy. We have to keep balance in between cost and capability buildup. Changing electric drive to hydraulic is just doing that. An all electric drive will tilt the balance towards higher cost whereas hydraulic drive would make it a cost effective solution.

 

[Leonardo Alves]

You suggested a video where it has been mentioned that replacing the current electric drive system with hydraulic drive would bring down the overall weight of ATAGS. So either you stick by what you suggest or do make up your mind on what you want to suggest.

Hydraulic drive of FH-77 made by OFB have performed exceedingly in the temperature range of -6.9 to 10 degree. So from where have got the idea that hydraulics fails in low temperature? Moreover I have already shared my personal experience regarding electronics failure in extreme cold. Electrical drive system requires its own power unit which runs on battery. And we all know how drop in temperature effects battery. A died down battery in mid of firing is not going to help the state of the art system.

During hot and cold trial, every subsystems gets tested. Obviously there has been failure in drive system which is not uncommon. Now it means user has faced issues during maintenance during this time. So from developers point of view, if a system performs well after maintenance, its working fine. But from user point of view, if he has to put in extra effort during the maintenance procedure, then its a costly affair for him.
Our whole artillery regiment is well versed and acquainted with hydraulic drive system and trained on that. Introduction of an electrical drive would mean that the whole training regime of the artillery division had to be changed. Do you have any idea about the cost implication because of that?

We are no sitting on a trillion dollar economy. We have to keep balance in between cost and capability buildup. Changing electric drive to hydraulic is just doing that. An all electric drive will tilt the balance towards higher cost whereas hydraulic drive would make it a cost effective solution.

In that video it was also said that the present system has performed to the deal.

What's your point?

Also, you don't need trillion dollars for order but ORDERS!!!? which I am not seeing.

You said there was failure in drive system, I want to know the article of that.

I am not suggesting but I know how the system that will replace will be heavy, you want significant reduction you go for titanium.

The compactness of electric drives is very hard to achieve by similar system in mechanical ones.

Army also have electric engineers and technicians and in future it is only going to increase.

Army knew!?? when whole nation was building ATAGS what the main customer was doing? Don't tell me the present government or industry didn't take them into loop.

This type of running from goalposts is not going to help.

Regarding which system is best, YOU YOURSELF GAVE THE ANSWER earlier.

Regarding this army, I know the kabaddi they play.

 

[Chinmoy]

Import lobby has already damaged and affected us economically than any slight increase in weight will ever do, your first excuse of ease of use was somewhat reasonable but now I can just laugh at these points mate.

> About laundry cleaning

No, I don't want to wait for decades and then get an RFI for foreign washing machine vendors /s

Existing FAT with IA could tow 15ton gun. We made a 18ton gun.
Result. The existing FAT is of no use and we have to order brand new FAT for towing 20 ton gun.
Means. Its not the guns alone which is costing us, but along with it comes a entirely new requirement which no one has taken into account during design phase.
Workaround. 1) IA steps in and insists to reduce the weight.
2) IA gives an order of just 100 odd guns.

IA inducts 20 Ton tower.
Result. The fuel bill raises exponentially.
Means. Its not just the guns and new FAT for which army is paying. But now its the raised fuel bill also to take care of.
Workaround. 1) IA steps in and insists to reduce the weight.
2) IA gives an order of just 100 odd guns.

The new FAT ordered are 6x6 rather then the older 4x4.
Result. The newly ordered FAT are heavier then the existing ones.
Means. In the next manifest forwarded from MoD to Ministry of roadways would mention moving heavier vehicles on a given road stretch. Which means the tax MoD have to pay increases.
Workaround. 1) IA steps in and insists to reduce the weight.
2) IA gives an order of just 100 odd guns.


Now I personally don't like the 2nd workaround. Do you like it?

But other then that why should we give a damn to additional cost IA has to bear with just a 4 ton increment.

 

[SavageKing456]

 

[omaebakabaka]

Welcome to the practical world.

Delusional world you mean....I expect this from a mullah not from our scientists. So blame sits with IA/IAF in your opinion and they set DRDO for failure?

 

[ladder]

If IA clamps down on fuel pilferage from its bases, fuel cost will come down astronomically. Just saying.

 

[ladder]

Welcome to the practical world.

Why you think DRDO projects for IN are more successful then IA or IAF?
The only project of IA which has moved forward from design to test phase with DRDO is ASMI. The reason being is the collaboration of user and designer from initial phase itself.

ASMI is joint development between Infantry School Mhow and DRDO.
So it isn't just a collaboration between user ( IA) and Designer ( DRDO).
If only ASMI proceeds to trials phase expediately, it points to a systemic failure rather than success.

 

[omaebakabaka]

If IA clamps down on fuel pilferage from its bases, fuel cost will come down astronomically. Just saying.

Fuel, uniforms, bullet proof vests, coffins, rations and so on and on....its sickening to see corruption where its so impactful

 

[fire starter]

Fuel, uniforms, bullet proof vests, coffins, rations and so on and on....its sickening to see corruption where its so impactful

Corruption is still there but not at large scale.

 

[omaebakabaka]

Corruption is still there but not at large scale.

I am ok with corruption in commission forms than things that impact the operations, equipment and people....if something costs x then add 10% corruption tax for animals that are consumed by crooked ethics and take happiness in hoarding money. Just retain the quality...don't mix water in fuel or milk e.t.c

 

[fire starter]