DRDO 155mm Artillery Program

Can DRDO design Artillery able to pass into mass production?


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Yumdoot

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You are quoting TATA SPGH specs ..
Yes overall it seems like a good product. But it has Denel as its source. Denel is banned.

Parrikar has been saying that we should have other ways of managing contraventions instead of outright bans. But its taking too long to actually have this done.

Now the Bharat Forge in the meantime seems to have signed up for a MSTA derivative as its offer, for what looks like the mounted contracts (idrw mentioned 818 guns which is obviously not the tracked one).

So the competition is getting heated up in the mounted category. I wonder if this is delibrate - to inject competition before they hand out the contracts. Probably Denel unbanning is still some way ahead in the future. I just hope the testing phase can be expedited whenever the Bharat Forge people can get their gun in.

Hope the L&T is able to bring the K-9 in faster. That alongwith the Arjun Catapult will afford some breathing space for the Indian tube artillery. Pinakas seem to be coming in well now. So burst fire can be managed well if things move as hoped.

The Army was already reasonable at persistent fire with its 130mm and Bofors and OFB 45 cal will join in later.

The middle which will dictate large scale maneuvers is weak though. And unless we get the mounted right the Cold start really cannot start. In future you can expect large scale war supplies to the Pakis sourced from the Chinese. If we have to prepare to pre-empt that then 818 mounted guns will be absolutely necessary.

I just hope the mounted thing is given a proper direction before 2019 and the deal signed after 2019.
 

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Indian gun booms in world's biggest artillery programme

Published December 15, 2016
SOURCE: Ajai Shukla / Business Standard



ATAGS

At 4.30 p.m. on Tuesday, in a historic moment for India’s artillery programme, an indigenous, fully integrated, 155-millimetre artillery gun fired its first rounds of live ammunition at the Proof and Experimental Establishment (PXE) in Balasore, Odisha.

The 155-mm, 52-calibre gun, dubbed the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), has been developed by the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), in partnership with two private sector firms — the Kalyani Group and Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division) — and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which is owned by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

Business Standard learns that Tuesday’s firing trials, and a second round of testing on Wednesday, met the specified parameters. Although extensive testing remains to be carried out in the months ahead, a project manager describes the actual firing as a “major milestone”.

The shortage of 155-mm, 52-calibre artillery is widely considered the Indian Army’s most worrying shortfall. Over the preceding 18 years, several international tenders for buying 1,580 towed guns from the international arms market have stalled. Consequently, no new 155-mm guns have entered the army since the purchase of 410 Bofors howitzers 30 years ago.

With the spectre of Bofors dogging international procurement, the DRDO charged its Pune-based Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) with the ambitious ATAGS project to develop an indigenous towed gun.

“In the ATAGS programme, we are developing two parallel sources to cut the risk of delays. The private sector is extensively involved under the prime minister’s “Make in India” initiative. This would allow us to open two manufacturing lines, to meet the large numbers gun requirements of the services”, said Dr S Christopher, the DRDO chairman.

One gun project is being pursued by Tata Power (SED), while the other is working in parallel under the Kalyani Group. The OFB and Bharat Forge are making the barrels.

Going by specifications, the ATAGS is a world-beater. Its “extended range, base-bleed” ammunition has a range of 45 kilometres — more than any 155-mm, 52 calibre gun in service. ATAGS also has an “all-electric drive”, which is more reliable than conventional hydraulic drives, and improves reaction time and accuracy.

With each ATAGS likely to be priced at Rs 15-18 crore, the contract for building 1,580 towed guns would add up to more than Rs 25,000 crore.

In war, most soldiers are killed or wounded by artillery fire, which is usually fired from 20-30 kilometres away. When an enemy position is to be attacked, artillery is used to pulverize it so that one’s own tanks and infantry soldiers easily overrun it, with minimal hand-to-hand fighting.

India has about 264 artillery regiments, each having 21 guns (including reserves). Many regiments currently deploy lighter, 105-mm “field guns”, but the army plans to make 155-mm its basic gun, since its heavier shell causes more enemy casualties.

If even 150 of India’s artillery regiments are converted to 155-mm guns, that would require 3,150 guns — twice what was earlier tendered, adding up to about Rs 50,000 crore.

On November 25, the defence minister told parliament that the ATAGS was one of the DRDO’s “mission mode” projects. He said the ATAGS was to have been completed by September 2015, but the date had been extended to March 2017.

In addition, the artillery-starved army has several other gun procurements in hand. The OFB used manufacturing blueprints supplied by Swedish company, Bofors, with the controversial 1986 purchase of 410 FH-77 howitzers, to develop an indigenous 155-mm, 45-calibre gun.

A higher calibre denotes a longer barrel and, consequently, a longer range. Upgrading the 39-calibre Bofors into the 45-calibre Dhanush has increased the gun’s range from 27 kilometres to 35 kilometres (with enhanced range ammunition).

On August 5, the defence minister told parliament that an indent for 114 Dhanush guns had been placed with the OFB. Analysts believe that if these guns satisfy the army, the order could increase to as many as 400 guns.

Separately, New Delhi has signed a contract with Washington for 145 ultralight guns of 155-mm, 39-calibre, built by BAE Systems in the US, the defence minister told parliament on December 2.

In November 2014, the MoD sanctioned 814 mounted gun systems (MGS) for an estimated Rs 15,750 crore. Tenders are also out for 100 tracked (self-propelled) guns; and 180 wheeled (self-propelled) guns. All these are 155-mm, 52-calibre guns.

Towed guns are employed in plains and foothills; tracked (self-propelled) guns are mounted in armoured vehicles to support high-mobility tank formations; wheeled (self-propelled) guns are for fast-moving, non-armoured formations; The MGS is a regular 155-millimetre gun fitted onto a high mobility vehicle, allowing it to move faster and start firing quicker than a conventional towed gun.

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Army’s artillery black hole: 155-millimetre guns in the pipeline”

  • 1,580 towed artillery guns for Rs 25,000 crore
  • 114 Dhanush guns from Ordnance Factory Board
  • 145 Ultralight howitzers from BAE Systems for Rs 5,000 crore
  • 814 Mounted Gun Systems (MGS) for Rs 15,750 crore
  • 100 Tracked Self Propelled (SP) guns
  • 180 Wheeled Self Propelled (SP) guns

http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ggest-artillery-programme-116121401202_1.html
 

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Indian gun booms in world's biggest artillery programme

Published December 15, 2016
SOURCE: Ajai Shukla / Business Standard



ATAGS

At 4.30 p.m. on Tuesday, in a historic moment for India’s artillery programme, an indigenous, fully integrated, 155-millimetre artillery gun fired its first rounds of live ammunition at the Proof and Experimental Establishment (PXE) in Balasore, Odisha.

The 155-mm, 52-calibre gun, dubbed the Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), has been developed by the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), in partnership with two private sector firms — the Kalyani Group and Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division) — and the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), which is owned by the Ministry of Defence (MoD).

Business Standard learns that Tuesday’s firing trials, and a second round of testing on Wednesday, met the specified parameters. Although extensive testing remains to be carried out in the months ahead, a project manager describes the actual firing as a “major milestone”.

The shortage of 155-mm, 52-calibre artillery is widely considered the Indian Army’s most worrying shortfall. Over the preceding 18 years, several international tenders for buying 1,580 towed guns from the international arms market have stalled. Consequently, no new 155-mm guns have entered the army since the purchase of 410 Bofors howitzers 30 years ago.

With the spectre of Bofors dogging international procurement, the DRDO charged its Pune-based Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) with the ambitious ATAGS project to develop an indigenous towed gun.

“In the ATAGS programme, we are developing two parallel sources to cut the risk of delays. The private sector is extensively involved under the prime minister’s “Make in India” initiative. This would allow us to open two manufacturing lines, to meet the large numbers gun requirements of the services”, said Dr S Christopher, the DRDO chairman.

One gun project is being pursued by Tata Power (SED), while the other is working in parallel under the Kalyani Group. The OFB and Bharat Forge are making the barrels.

Going by specifications, the ATAGS is a world-beater. Its “extended range, base-bleed” ammunition has a range of 45 kilometres — more than any 155-mm, 52 calibre gun in service. ATAGS also has an “all-electric drive”, which is more reliable than conventional hydraulic drives, and improves reaction time and accuracy.

With each ATAGS likely to be priced at Rs 15-18 crore, the contract for building 1,580 towed guns would add up to more than Rs 25,000 crore.

In war, most soldiers are killed or wounded by artillery fire, which is usually fired from 20-30 kilometres away. When an enemy position is to be attacked, artillery is used to pulverize it so that one’s own tanks and infantry soldiers easily overrun it, with minimal hand-to-hand fighting.

India has about 264 artillery regiments, each having 21 guns (including reserves). Many regiments currently deploy lighter, 105-mm “field guns”, but the army plans to make 155-mm its basic gun, since its heavier shell causes more enemy casualties.

If even 150 of India’s artillery regiments are converted to 155-mm guns, that would require 3,150 guns — twice what was earlier tendered, adding up to about Rs 50,000 crore.

On November 25, the defence minister told parliament that the ATAGS was one of the DRDO’s “mission mode” projects. He said the ATAGS was to have been completed by September 2015, but the date had been extended to March 2017.

In addition, the artillery-starved army has several other gun procurements in hand. The OFB used manufacturing blueprints supplied by Swedish company, Bofors, with the controversial 1986 purchase of 410 FH-77 howitzers, to develop an indigenous 155-mm, 45-calibre gun.

A higher calibre denotes a longer barrel and, consequently, a longer range. Upgrading the 39-calibre Bofors into the 45-calibre Dhanush has increased the gun’s range from 27 kilometres to 35 kilometres (with enhanced range ammunition).

On August 5, the defence minister told parliament that an indent for 114 Dhanush guns had been placed with the OFB. Analysts believe that if these guns satisfy the army, the order could increase to as many as 400 guns.

Separately, New Delhi has signed a contract with Washington for 145 ultralight guns of 155-mm, 39-calibre, built by BAE Systems in the US, the defence minister told parliament on December 2.

In November 2014, the MoD sanctioned 814 mounted gun systems (MGS) for an estimated Rs 15,750 crore. Tenders are also out for 100 tracked (self-propelled) guns; and 180 wheeled (self-propelled) guns. All these are 155-mm, 52-calibre guns.

Towed guns are employed in plains and foothills; tracked (self-propelled) guns are mounted in armoured vehicles to support high-mobility tank formations; wheeled (self-propelled) guns are for fast-moving, non-armoured formations; The MGS is a regular 155-millimetre gun fitted onto a high mobility vehicle, allowing it to move faster and start firing quicker than a conventional towed gun.

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Army’s artillery black hole: 155-millimetre guns in the pipeline”

  • 1,580 towed artillery guns for Rs 25,000 crore
  • 114 Dhanush guns from Ordnance Factory Board
  • 145 Ultralight howitzers from BAE Systems for Rs 5,000 crore
  • 814 Mounted Gun Systems (MGS) for Rs 15,750 crore
  • 100 Tracked Self Propelled (SP) guns
  • 180 Wheeled Self Propelled (SP) guns
http://wap.business-standard.com/ar...ggest-artillery-programme-116121401202_1.html
Two parallel lines for ATAGS will be game changer when two "Indian" private companies will compete for orders for same product.. think of their production rate !!

“In the ATAGS programme, we are developing two parallel sources to cut the risk of delays. The private sector is extensively involved under the prime minister’s “Make in India” initiative. This would allow us to open two manufacturing lines, to meet the large numbers gun requirements of the services”, said Dr S Christopher, the DRDO chairman.

One gun project is being pursued by Tata Power (SED), while the other is working in parallel under the Kalyani Group. The OFB and Bharat Forge are making the barrels.


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Two parallel lines for ATAGS will be game changer when two "Indian" private companies will compete for orders for same product.. think of their production rate !!

“In the ATAGS programme, we are developing two parallel sources to cut the risk of delays. The private sector is extensively involved under the prime minister’s “Make in India” initiative. This would allow us to open two manufacturing lines, to meet the large numbers gun requirements of the services”, said Dr S Christopher, the DRDO chairman.

One gun project is being pursued by Tata Power (SED), while the other is working in parallel under the Kalyani Group. The OFB and Bharat Forge are making the barrels.


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I think , it is once again a bad reporting by Indian media .......................there must be 2 GUNS ...............with different calibers .

and the range of 52 caliber GUN is 55 Km ,

 
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I think , it is once again a bad reporting by India media .......................there must be 2 GUNS ...............with different calibers .

and the range of 52 caliber GUN is 55 Km ,

IMO its the same 155/52 calibre gun on which Kalyani and TATA is working in tandem. Both may have different sub systems, but the final product would be one and work load would get divided.
 

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Army’s artillery black hole: 155-millimetre guns in the pipeline”

  • 1,580 towed artillery guns for Rs 25,000 crore
  • 114 Dhanush guns from Ordnance Factory Board
  • 145 Ultralight howitzers from BAE Systems for Rs 5,000 crore
  • 814 Mounted Gun Systems (MGS) for Rs 15,750 crore
  • 100 Tracked Self Propelled (SP) guns
  • 180 Wheeled Self Propelled (SP) guns
How many of above guns are cleared deck and how many are procured..?
 

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What is the status of towed artillery tender where Nexter and Elbit were finalists and bids were submitted way back in March 15. Isnt it supposed to be opened this month. Hope they select Elbit ATMOS. One heck of a gun.
 

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What is the status of towed artillery tender where Nexter and Elbit were finalists and bids were submitted way back in March 15. Isnt it supposed to be opened this month. Hope they select Elbit ATMOS. One heck of a gun.
CAESAR and ATMOS are not towed artillery. These are mounted artillery. These are for the 800 nos of MGS tender I think.
 

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No that tender is yet to come out but finalists for 1580 towed artillery pieces have been selected. The bids have to be opened. Not sure which guns
 

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Their are two versions of Dhanush but only one ATAGS, Two separate production line is of ATAGS ..

Bharat 52 and Dhanush MK2 will remain as prototype.

IMO its the same 155/52 calibre gun on which Kalyani and TATA is working in tandem. Both may have different sub systems, but the final product would be one and work load would get divided.
I think , it is once again a bad reporting by Indian media .......................there must be 2 GUNS ...............with different calibers .

and the range of 52 caliber GUN is 55 Km ,
 

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DHANUSH IS A STATE OF ART GUN. MODIFIED VERSION OF BOFORCE. IT IS FULLY DEVELOPED NOW
CHECK THIS VIDEO. Advance version is 45 caliber with higher range.
 

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what are the differences between Dhanush & ATAGS ?? except minor differences in Range ??
 

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Their are two versions of Dhanush but only one ATAGS, Two separate production line is of ATAGS ..

Bharat 52 and Dhanush MK2 will remain as prototype.
What is the difference between dhanush ans ATAGS...
How many dhanush and atags are being procured?
 

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