DRDO 155mm Artillery Program

[mayfair]

Doesn't ATAGS include elements from both? I assume that a lot of inputs from Bharat 52 would have flowed into ATAGS with Kalyani getting involved.

 

[AnantS]

Doesn't ATAGS include elements from both? I assume that a lot of inputs from Bharat 52 would have flowed into ATAGS with Kalyani getting involved.

only Kalyani version of ATAGS has autoloader I believe

 

[kstriya]

Lessons learned from Kargil being implemented now ..

@Kunal Biswas Sir, classes were given to then NDA government and they learned their lessons and are implementing.We lost 10 years in the where the armed forces were neglected to the core. Now in the its different and we are doing good, Jawan & Kissan happy!

 

[Kunal Biswas]

During Kargil a lot of things got exposed, 155mm import was one of them ..

Back then, Factories could produce 155mm ammunition but were never given a green light just like dhanush 155mm never given a green light, Only after Kargil someone pointed out which resulted in mass production, This is something which has been talked many times over.Their are two factories involve in making these shells and propellants since post Kargil war

Also their is news of export of bi-modular charges to UAE not too long ago ..

Ordnance Factory Board aims to create self-suffiency in defence production

KOLKATA: Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has drawn up plans to make India self-sufficient in production of arms and ammunition with the twin objectives of reducing imports and meeting nation's requirements.

"We are creating added capacities in the production of T-90 tanks and Pinaka rockets at the various ordnance factories", S K Chowrasia, member, OFB, said.

Chowrasia, who is slated to assume the office of chairman of the board from December one, told PTI that work was also on to create additional anti-tank ammunition capacity under Project Mango in technical collaboration with Russia.

The OFB had also started production of Bimodular Charge Systems (propellants) at its factory at Nalanda for high-calibre artillery guns, Dhanush and Bofors, with the objective to meet the country's demand, he said.

The country was facing a shortage in the availability of such propellants, he said.

Regarding exports, he said that the board had received an order from the UAE worth Rs 235 crore for the supply of 155 mm shells.

OFB had been exporting to the countries of South Asia, Indonesia, Germany and US and the approximate export turnover was Rs 50 crore.

"While we do export to some extent, the primary objective is to meet the nation's demand", he said on the occasion of Ordance Factory Day.

This fiscal, the board was expected to register an approximate revenue of Rs 15,000 crore as against Rs 13,500 crore in the previous period.

The projected turnover next fiscal had been pegged at Rs 20,000 crore.

OFB had also undertaken designing of Future Infantry Combat Vehicle for the Indian Army in collaboration with the IITs.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ETTWMain


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TATA and Kalyani and part of OFB are working together on ATAGS ..

@Kunal Biswas Sir, classes were given to then NDA government and they learned their lessons and are implementing. Now (At last) Pappu is reading vedas to give some sense to Congress I (But in Vain). We lost 10 years in the Kangressi Raj where the armed forces were neglected to the core. Now in the Modi Raj its different and we are doing good, Jawan & Kissan happy!

P.S. Is it me or anyone can help me visualize that this smiley looks perfectly like Pappu ....?

Doesn't ATAGS include elements from both? I assume that a lot of inputs from Bharat 52 would have flowed into ATAGS with Kalyani getting involved.

Nobody answered a previous post that are we producing enough ammunition to feed all these multitude of guns and gun types. Everybody busy talking about Dhanush - both 45/52, now ATAGS, Bharat -52, TATA and South Korean brand and of course the Bofors.

If enough ammunition is not available then these guns will fall silent sooner than later.

So forget talking about type of guns, there are 166 pages of talk here. Switch to ammunition.

I am asking because, the ammunition and its type is as important.

Reference please.

Then, if true then close all conversations on Bharat 52 and Dhanush 52.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Some information here, though a little outdated ..

So i need little information.
At present how many artillery we got?
How many artillery pieces will be procured...and what's their ranges,weight and numbers.

Check this out:
Indian Army 155mm Gun Acquisition

 

[Chinmoy]

Some information here, though a little outdated ..

I think this is an old list. India had opted for ATAGS to fill up 155/52 caliber towed gun instead of procurement.
It seems politburo and IA top brass had already made up their mind to go for foreign vendor and Dhanush and ATAGS just dashed their sweet dreams.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

True indeed ...

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[Kunal Biswas]

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[Akshay Fenix]

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Posted dj from BRF

 

[Prashant12]

Prototype of ARDE-Kalyani ATAGS outside DIAT, Pune.

ARDE had teamed up with both TATA-SED and Kalyani Strategic Systems for their ATAGS 155mm L52 howitzer, both the firms have developed their own versions with their own subsystems like APU, autoloader etc but using the same ordinance which was designed by ARDE.

https://www.facebook.com/TejasMrca/

 

[porky_kicker]

sighting systems for ATAGS

 

[Prashant12]

Trials of high capacity, indigenous, long-range 155mm gun at Pokhran

Jaisalmer: Artillery of Indian Army will soon get indigenous gun to deal with new challenges that it faces time and again from countries like China and Pakistan. India's first high capacity, indigenous, long range 155-mm gun and Dhanush's supplement gun ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System). Trials for it have started at Pokhran field firing range in Jaisalmer district, which will go on for 20 days. Firing table of the gun will be made during the trial.

The gun can fire up to 35-45km. Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) has designed the gun which will be made under the joint project of private sector Kalyani Group and Ordnance Factories Board. Senior officers of the Indian Army and DRDO will be present during the trial. This gun's last trial was conducted in December 2016 at Balasore, Odisha.


According to defence sources, the trials of indigenous gun are being conducted at the Pokhran field firing range and targets at various distances are being attacked by the gun. The firing capacity is being checked and these guns are performing as per expectation. To strengthen the firing capacity of the Army, the ambitious gun is being checked and in the coming days, many senior officers of DRDO and Army will visit Jaisalmer.


It is to be mentioned that American 155 M777 Howitzer gun is being tested since June and the trials will continue till November. Similarly, trial of country's first indigenous gun Dhanush is also being done at Jaisalmer.


Sources said the shortage of 155-mm, 52-calibre artillery is widely considered the Indian Army's most worrying shortfall. Over the last 18 years, several international tenders for buying 1,580 towed guns from the international arms market have been stalled. Consequently, no new 155-mm guns have been given to the Army since the purchase of 410 Bofors Howitzers, 30 years ago. With the spectre of Bofors dogging international procurement, DRDO entrusted Pune-based Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) with the ambitious ATAGS project to develop an indigenous towed gun. Sources said DRDO is developing 155 mm/52 Cal Advance Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) that will upgrade the 155 mm/45 Cal Dhanush in the future. The Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), India's first indigenous 155mm/52-caliber towed artillery gun, will be a joint project of two private-sector corporations. This is a reversal of the usual practice of giving only state-owned companies these kinds of pricey orders.


An official said that a prototype, with a range of 40-45kilometre, will also undergo trials for testing its abilities in different climates and terrains, along with range accuracy.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...155mm-gun-at-pokhran/articleshow/60249472.cms

 

[Prashant12]

Trials of high capacity, indigenous, long-range 155mm gun at Pokhran

Jaisalmer: Artillery of Indian Army will soon get indigenous gun to deal with new challenges that it faces time and again from countries like China and Pakistan. India's first high capacity, indigenous, long range 155-mm gun and Dhanush's supplement gun ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System). Trials for it have started at Pokhran field firing range in Jaisalmer district, which will go on for 20 days. Firing table of the gun will be made during the trial.

The gun can fire up to 35-45km. Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) has designed the gun which will be made under the joint project of private sector Kalyani Group and Ordnance Factories Board. Senior officers of the Indian Army and DRDO will be present during the trial. This gun's last trial was conducted in December 2016 at Balasore, Odisha.

According to defence sources, the trials of indigenous gun are being conducted at the Pokhran field firing range and targets at various distances are being attacked by the gun. The firing capacity is being checked and these guns are performing as per expectation. To strengthen the firing capacity of the Army, the ambitious gun is being checked and in the coming days, many senior officers of DRDO and Army will visit Jaisalmer.
It is to be mentioned that American 155 M777 Howitzer gun is being tested since June and the trials will continue till November. Similarly, trial of country's first indigenous gun Dhanush is also being done at Jaisalmer.
Sources said the shortage of 155-mm, 52-calibre artillery is widely considered the Indian Army's most worrying shortfall. Over the last 18 years, several international tenders for buying 1,580 towed guns from the international arms market have been stalled. Consequently, no new 155-mm guns have been given to the Army since the purchase of 410 Bofors Howitzers, 30 years ago. With the spectre of Bofors dogging international procurement, DRDO entrusted Pune-based Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE) with the ambitious ATAGS project to develop an indigenous towed gun. Sources said DRDO is developing 155 mm/52 Cal Advance Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS) that will upgrade the 155 mm/45 Cal Dhanush in the future. The Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System (ATAGS), India's first indigenous 155mm/52-caliber towed artillery gun, will be a joint project of two private-sector corporations. This is a reversal of the usual practice of giving only state-owned companies these kinds of pricey orders.
An official said that a prototype, with a range of 40-45kilometre, will also undergo trials for testing its abilities in different climates and terrains, along with range accuracy.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...155mm-gun-at-pokhran/articleshow/60249472.cms

 

[F-14B]

I am happy in the fact that the Indian Army Artillery is now moving on and the boggy man that is the bofors has been laid to rest at least in the army

 

[Kunal Biswas]

War is overhead, Not a single unit of dhanush yet deployed ..

If War happen the poor gunners will move in with remaining FH-77 and few hundred upgraded M46 which are also deployed on western front also ..

 

[Hari Sud]

Any news on Dhanush trials where a muzzle brake failed. It is a minor brake but a brake never the less.

 

[SanjeevM]

I hope serial production starts ASAP. Simultaneously we need ammunition as well in large quantities.

 

[Prashant12]

World-record 'gun salute' to incoming defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman
Range, accuracy and consistency are the key attributes of an artillery gun


On Monday, in trial firing at the Pokhran Ranges in Rajasthan, the advanced towed artillery gun system (ATAGS) being indigenously developed for the Indian Army demonstrated its potential to be a world-beating system.

The 155-millimetre, 52-calibre gun-howitzer fired three shells out to a world-record distance of 47.2 kilometres from the gun position. This was achieved using special, long-range ammunition called “high explosive – base bleed” (HE – BB). In comparison, 155-millimetre, 52-calibre guns in service worldwide fire this ammunition to maximum ranges of 40-45 kilometres.

The achievement coincides with the appointment of Nirmala Sitharaman as defence minister.

The ATAGS is being developed by the Defence Research & Defence Organisation (DRDO) on two parallel tracks – one prototype in partnership with Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division) and another with Bharat Forge. The prototype that broke the record was the Tata Power (SED) gun.

Earlier, on Saturday, the same gun had broken another record by firing “high explosive – boat tail” (HE – BT) ammunition to a range of 37.2 kilometres.

Range, accuracy and consistency are the key attributes of an artillery gun. A longer range allows more area to be engaged from a “gun position”, without having to redeploy (or shift) the guns.

The secret of the ATAGS longer range is its larger chamber – 25 litres, compared to 23 litres in most 155-millimetre guns like the French Nexter and Israeli Elbit guns the military has evaluated. A larger chamber packs in more high explosive propellant, which shoots out the warhead further.

The need to cater for this higher “shock of firing” makes the ATAGS a heavier gun. It weighs in at 17-18 tonnes, while comparable guns worldwide weigh 14-15 tonnes.

So promising is the ATAGS that both existing prototypes were paraded on January 26 in New Delhi.

After the gun successfully completes development and firing trials, the army is likely to procure at least 2,000 ATAGS. At an estimated Rs 15 crore apiece, that will result in Rs 30,000 crore in business for the production eco-system, benefiting a large number of private defence firms.

With the current round of “summer trials” having successfully concluded in Pokhran, the ATAGS will now undergo modifications and prepare for “winter trials” in December, probably in Sikkim. Each vendor will build three more ATAGs gun prototypes to expedite trials.

The first ATAGS firing trials were carried out in Balasore, Odisha, last December.

While ATAGS looks much like the Bofors FH-77B — the infamous “Bofors gun” that India bought 410 of in the 1980s before scandal derailed indigenous construction — the ATAGS is in face significantly bigger than the 155-millimetre, 39-calibre Bofors.

When talking about a 155-millimetre, 52-calibre gun, the first figure denotes the “bore” of the gun, or the width of the gun barrel; while calibre relates to barrel length. The higher the calibre, the longer the barrel and, therefore, the greater its range. A third parameter is chamber size, which determines how large a projectile can be fired from the gun, and therefore how much damage a round can inflict on the target.

Another global first in the ATAGS is its all-electric drive, which supersedes the more unreliable hydraulic drives in other towed guns. The all-electric drive operates all the ATAGS’ gun controls: ammunition handling, opening and closing the breech, and ramming the round into the chamber.

The ATAGS is the world’s only gun with a six-round “automated magazine” that fires a six-round burst in just 30 seconds. Most other existing 155-millimetre, 52-calibre guns have three-round magazines, which must be reloaded after firing three rounds.

A high “burst fire” capability will provide the army a significant advantage since artillery causes most casualties in the initial burst of fire, when enemy soldiers are caught in the open (and not after they dive into their trenches).

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...nister-nirmala-sitharaman-117090500024_1.html

 

[Prashant12]

World-record 'gun salute' to incoming defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman
Range, accuracy and consistency are the key attributes of an artillery gun


On Monday, in trial firing at the Pokhran Ranges in Rajasthan, the advanced towed artillery gun system (ATAGS) being indigenously developed for the Indian Army demonstrated its potential to be a world-beating system.

The 155-millimetre, 52-calibre gun-howitzer fired three shells out to a world-record distance of 47.2 kilometres from the gun position. This was achieved using special, long-range ammunition called “high explosive – base bleed” (HE – BB). In comparison, 155-millimetre, 52-calibre guns in service worldwide fire this ammunition to maximum ranges of 40-45 kilometres.

The achievement coincides with the appointment of Nirmala Sitharaman as defence minister.

The ATAGS is being developed by the Defence Research & Defence Organisation (DRDO) on two parallel tracks – one prototype in partnership with Tata Power (Strategic Engineering Division) and another with Bharat Forge. The prototype that broke the record was the Tata Power (SED) gun.

Earlier, on Saturday, the same gun had broken another record by firing “high explosive – boat tail” (HE – BT) ammunition to a range of 37.2 kilometres.

Range, accuracy and consistency are the key attributes of an artillery gun. A longer range allows more area to be engaged from a “gun position”, without having to redeploy (or shift) the guns.

The secret of the ATAGS longer range is its larger chamber – 25 litres, compared to 23 litres in most 155-millimetre guns like the French Nexter and Israeli Elbit guns the military has evaluated. A larger chamber packs in more high explosive propellant, which shoots out the warhead further.

The need to cater for this higher “shock of firing” makes the ATAGS a heavier gun. It weighs in at 17-18 tonnes, while comparable guns worldwide weigh 14-15 tonnes.

So promising is the ATAGS that both existing prototypes were paraded on January 26 in New Delhi.

After the gun successfully completes development and firing trials, the army is likely to procure at least 2,000 ATAGS. At an estimated Rs 15 crore apiece, that will result in Rs 30,000 crore in business for the production eco-system, benefiting a large number of private defence firms.

With the current round of “summer trials” having successfully concluded in Pokhran, the ATAGS will now undergo modifications and prepare for “winter trials” in December, probably in Sikkim. Each vendor will build three more ATAGs gun prototypes to expedite trials.

The first ATAGS firing trials were carried out in Balasore, Odisha, last December.

While ATAGS looks much like the Bofors FH-77B — the infamous “Bofors gun” that India bought 410 of in the 1980s before scandal derailed indigenous construction — the ATAGS is in face significantly bigger than the 155-millimetre, 39-calibre Bofors.

When talking about a 155-millimetre, 52-calibre gun, the first figure denotes the “bore” of the gun, or the width of the gun barrel; while calibre relates to barrel length. The higher the calibre, the longer the barrel and, therefore, the greater its range. A third parameter is chamber size, which determines how large a projectile can be fired from the gun, and therefore how much damage a round can inflict on the target.

Another global first in the ATAGS is its all-electric drive, which supersedes the more unreliable hydraulic drives in other towed guns. The all-electric drive operates all the ATAGS’ gun controls: ammunition handling, opening and closing the breech, and ramming the round into the chamber.

The ATAGS is the world’s only gun with a six-round “automated magazine” that fires a six-round burst in just 30 seconds. Most other existing 155-millimetre, 52-calibre guns have three-round magazines, which must be reloaded after firing three rounds.

A high “burst fire” capability will provide the army a significant advantage since artillery causes most casualties in the initial burst of fire, when enemy soldiers are caught in the open (and not after they dive into their trenches).

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...nister-nirmala-sitharaman-117090500024_1.html

 

[sthf]

It's a wonderful news if true but chances are that this record will be short lived as M777-ER is claiming a better range. Let's see how it turns out.

Another thing is that MOD babu's, Bharat Forge and Mandus better get their act together and move from 39 calibre ULWH to 52 calibre quickly or skip 39 calibre all together or else they will once again lose the race to BAE.

But regardless of whatever BAE claims, kudos to DRDO's scientists. We are turning from a country without decent artillery to one which will be counted amongst the best. Only if IA doesn't mess this up.

Can anyone tell me about the production lines of ATAGS? Will both Tata & Bharat Forge produce the winning design or will the loser go home empty handed?