DRDO 155mm Artillery Program

[scatterStorm]

Regarding weight of ATAGS, Read what Ajay had reported :

These enhanced performance attributes have increased the weight of ATAGS to 16 tonnes, a couple of tonnes heavier than comparable towed guns. The army is willing to accept a heavier gun that delivers significantly better performance.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.in/2016/12/indian-artillery-gun-shines-in-trials.html?m=1

So, there is no question to raise on weight when Army is Happy to accept it considering better performance !!

How much Army is Happy, can be understood from fact that ATAGS prototypes marched in Republic Day Parade.

Agreed! It's like the saying in our country, "kitna deti hai" so mileage matters and not how heavy it is. Regardless it's will be on the front lines near LOC for the most part ... a plane rather than a mountainous terrain where M777 will be operated, even though both our arty's are capable to operate there. So each gun has a different theater to be operated in.

 

[aakash_2410]

ATAGS is light years ahead of most western designs in its category ..

Let's not be a jingoist Mr. Moderator. Please back this up by proofs and facts.

How is it better than M777? It definitely is a good gun but lightyears ahead? How exactly? Also, a lightyear is a unit of distance not time.

Normal base bleed shell range for M777 is 30km and 40km for ATAGS. ATAGS range is 133% more but weighs 300% more. M777 can be lifted by medium/heavy choppers and deployed in the most challenging terrains at a moment's notice.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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Besides these we don`t entertain every newbie by reproducing all the debate which has been talked before in this thread, If you have capacity to reply then you should able to read the rest of the thread rather asking for spoon feeding ..

Their is huge untapped source of knowledge among ex-service men and in service here at DFI, You are free to ask them questions ..

Let's not be a jingoist Mr. Moderator. Please back this up by proofs and facts.

How is it better than M777? It definitely is a good gun but lightyears ahead? How exactly? Also, a lightyear is a unit of distance not time.

Normal base bleed shell range for M777 is 30km and 40km for ATAGS. ATAGS range is 133% more but weighs 300% more. M777 can be lifted by medium/heavy choppers and deployed in the most challenging terrains at a moment's notice.

 

[SilentKiller]

Let's not be a jingoist Mr. Moderator. Please back this up by proofs and facts.

How is it better than M777? It definitely is a good gun but lightyears ahead? How exactly? Also, a lightyear is a unit of distance not time.

Normal base bleed shell range for M777 is 30km and 40km for ATAGS. ATAGS range is 133% more but weighs 300% more. M777 can be lifted by medium/heavy choppers and deployed in the most challenging terrains at a moment's notice.

Why are you trying to compare Oranges with apples?
or can u compare a Sports car with SUV?

for starter M777 is ligh weight 155mm/39 cal
and ATAGS is 155mm/52 cal, Towed/SPG ie. can be towed + has power pack to move around.

If u still can't get it, we cannot help u out.

 

[deepak ghanvatkar]

35 mtr accuracy at 40km range is really good! I wonder how the radar and gun grid is laid out and what redundancies are built in.

I agree that the accuracy is not good 35 m(some thing better than nothing) because it will be difficult to destroy the gun with 35m accuracy in location pulse some error in the gun firing.... so the chances of enemy artillery seem to be high.

we may not be able to destroy the gun in first go...

 

[aakash_2410]

It is not often that we get an advanced system, that too by world standards and at Indian prices, perhaps it's understandable if we get a little carried away in singing its praises.

My only objection. It is okay to take pride in your achievements. But when we make sweeping statements like 'it is light years ahead of its' western counterparts' and so on we lose credibility and are being dis-genuine.

It is as good a gun as they come, no doubt about it.

Why are you trying to compare Oranges with apples?
or can u compare a Sports car with SUV?

for starter M777 is ligh weight 155mm/39 cal
and ATAGS is 155mm/52 cal, Towed/SPG ie. can be towed + has power pack to move around.

If u still can't get it, we cannot help u out.

You're changing the goalpost here buddy. The fact that ATAGS can move around isn't the point. Being a towed artillery one would expect it to move around. The point was the ease with which M777 can be deployed.

For the start, Read the General forum rules :

16. We have many international members. Indian members are expected to be civil and warm with international members and make them feel welcome. They should not be hounded or abused. There may be differences of opinion, but they should be expressed in a civilized and a cordial manner. Any violation of forum rules should be reported to staff.

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Besides these we don`t entertain every newbie by reproducing all the debate which has been talked before in this thread, If you have capacity to reply then you should able to read the rest of the thread rather asking for spoon feeding ..

Their is huge untapped source of knowledge among ex-service men and in service here at DFI, You are free to ask them questions ..

Well although I'm Indian, I'm a British national so thank for following rule no. 16 and making me feel welcome.

I didn't ask you to reproduce the whole debate, bullet-points would have been just fine. But, no worries I'll look around to see the 'light years' difference.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

We have honorable members, for them point no 16 applies.

You should read the rest and follow them strictly.

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Let dissect your activity here in this very thread, you quoted my post no #2988 but you have turned a blind eye on post no #3039. Where i have provided every fact to support my claim Including the answer to your question which you are repeating again on purpose, When counter by other members you are putting an argument of 'changing goal posts'.

We don`t allow such trolling behavior which with the intent of provoking other members this further allow derailment of thread, Take some time off and think about it ..

My only objection. It is okay to take pride in your achievements. But when we make sweeping statements like 'it is light years ahead of its' western counterparts' and so on we lose credibility and are being dis-genuine.

It is as good a gun as they come, no doubt about it.

You're changing the goalpost here buddy. The fact that ATAGS can move around isn't the point. Being a towed artillery one would expect it to move around. The point was the ease with which M777 can be deployed.

Well although I'm Indian, I'm a British national so thank for following rule no. 16 and making me feel welcome.

I didn't ask you to reproduce the whole debate, bullet-points would have been just fine. But, no worries I'll look around to see the 'light years' difference.

 

[Bornubus]

Army gets indigenous weapon locating radar

The Army on Thursday received an indigenous weapon locating radar (WLR), named Swati, from the DRDO. The organisation also handed over a Nuclear, Biological and Chemical (NBC) recce vehicle and NBC treatment drugs to the Army.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said the export potential (of the WLR) would be explored only after the Army’s requirement is fulfilled.

“You know Swati has done its job well when the LoC is devoid of any heavy artillery,” he observed.

Army Chief Gen Bipin Rawat called the system a success. “It is being used extensively along the LoC by us,” he stated.

Swati has a range of 50 km, which brings all artillery guns presently in service worldwide under coverage. Four systems are currently in operation and another 30 are on order for the Army.

Talking about the capability of the system, a senior Defence official said that it was pressed into service along the LoC last year. The WLR played a major role in suppressing their [Pakistani] fire, he added.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/army-gets-indigenous-weapon-locating-radar/article17392500.ece

I've read somewhere that Parrikar disclosed the numbers of these Radar (4) deployed over the LOC. This is very unprofessional compared with Army chief statement.

Next he will also tell the the sectors where these Radars are deployed lol

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Their are plenty of outlets who are politically influenced are doing their part of disinformation ..

Take such news with pinch of salt ..

I've read somewhere that Parrikar disclosed the numbers of these Radar (4) deployed over the LOC. This is very unprofessional compared with Army chief statement.

Next he will also tell the the sectors where these Radars are deployed lol

 

[Prashant12]

Ordnance Factory Board aims to create self-suffiency in defence production

KOLKATA: Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) has drawn up plans to make India self-sufficient in production of arms and ammunition with the twin objectives of reducing imports and meeting nation's requirements.

"We are creating added capacities in the production of T-90 tanks and Pinaka rockets at the various ordnance factories", S K Chowrasia, member, OFB, said.

Chowrasia, who is slated to assume the office of chairman of the board from December one, told PTI that work was also on to create additional anti-tank ammunition capacity under Project Mango in technical collaboration with Russia.

The OFB had also started production of Bimodular Charge Systems (propellants) at its factory at Nalanda for high-calibre artillery guns, Dhanush and Bofors, with the objective to meet the country's demand, he said.

The country was facing a shortage in the availability of such propellants, he said.

Regarding exports, he said that the board had received an order from the UAE worth Rs 235 crore for the supply of 155 mm shells.

OFB had been exporting to the countries of South Asia, Indonesia, Germany and US and the approximate export turnover was Rs 50 crore.

"While we do export to some extent, the primary objective is to meet the nation's demand", he said on the occasion of Ordance Factory Day.

This fiscal, the board was expected to register an approximate revenue of Rs 15,000 crore as against Rs 13,500 crore in the previous period.

The projected turnover next fiscal had been pegged at Rs 20,000 crore.

OFB had also undertaken designing of Future Infantry Combat Vehicle for the Indian Army in collaboration with the IITs.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ETTWMain

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its interesting that some people want India to buy like Arabs do, Now under right leadership we are exporting to Arabs ..

 

[Cutting Edge 2]

Very informative video on Indian artillery for those who are interested. (HINDI)


BTW there is very interesting discussion on Indian TNW program in The video (straight from retired general's mouth).

 

[Prashant12]

Rate production of 155 mm bi-modular charge systems is underway at OFB's Nalanda Factory. Thousands of units have been delivered to the IA.

 

[tejas warrior]

Rate production of 155 mm bi-modular charge systems is underway at OFB's Nalanda Factory. Thousands of units have been delivered to the IA.

What does this thing do.. means what's their use ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Educational information regarding Bi-Modular charges ..

What does this thing do.. means what's their use ?

 

[Bornubus]

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[tejas warrior]

Tweets by SJha1618

There has been talk of ordering more than just 23 regiments (18 units a regiment) of OFB's Dhanush 155mm howitzer family.
Some want the final order to be in the 33 regiment range.

Meanwhile @DRDO_India expects to see its production partners get orders for 8 regiments of the ATAGS up front.
With a total order of 50 plus regiments eventually.

 

[tejas warrior]

Tweets by SJha1618

There has been talk of ordering more than just 23 regiments (18 units a regiment) of OFB's Dhanush 155mm howitzer family.
Some want the final order to be in the 33 regiment range.

Meanwhile @DRDO_India expects to see its production partners get orders for 8 regiments of the ATAGS up front.
With a total order of 50 plus regiments eventually.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Lessons learned from Kargil being implemented now ..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Bharat 52 and Dhanush 52 are both dropped in favor of ATAGS ..