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No, I have better taste.

Surely, you seem to be a person who will put a band-aid on your nose, if you cut your finger.

The west, mainly the US, planned and executed this entire chaos, starting with the National Endowment for Democracy (used to oust a democratically elected President), and now, the blame is on Russia, for reacting by helping their fellow Russians in Ukraine from the Nazi thugs.

The spent Billions to what? Depose a President so that Ukraine can join the EU? That's a wonderful theory you got there.


The west blocked Russia's request for a ceasefire in the MH-17 crash zone. Where are your crocodile tears?
I don't know where you get your information from. From the same blog where you got the Buk 312 idiocy from?
 

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The spent Billions to what? Depose a President so that Ukraine can join the EU? That's a wonderful theory you got there.




I don't know where you get your information from. From the same blog where you got the Buk 312 idiocy from?
Screenshots from document by Nuland in the website of US Embassy in Kiev has been posted in the previous thread.

When someone counters your stupid arguments, you:
avoid it;
or deflect it;
or simply lie;
Then you come back after a few days, and repeat the same arguments.

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 24/7 call centre.
 

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It was the Donetsk site. You wouldn't believe "ukronaziÑ–". I'm not angry with. You're stupid and don't have additional volume of information. Russia tries to create a picture for the public opinion. Information zombie effect. My dad lives In the old way. He doesn't have access to the Internet, watch only TV and read Newspapers. But in Donetsk only Russian TV channels are controlled DNR newspapers. In a telephone conversation me he recently called a i'm Ukrainian fascist. This is the man who is with me one blood, who rejoiced in the birth of a grandson. Now he does not want me to know. Here she Goebbels propaganda.
Ты молод и глуп. Я прекращаю общение в этой теме, потому что мне не интересно доказывать тебе и другим правду. Тебя устраивает только российская правда, где добрые российские солдаты несут мир. На самом деле, куда приходит Россия - там везде война. Россия считает СНГ своим "маленьким болотом". Но она умалчивает о гробах, которые возращаються на ее территорию, когда она начинает вмешиваться. На этом все.


Anyone who wants to know the truth, let me write in PM.
I am just quoting for reference.

My dad lives In the old way. He doesn't have access to the Internet, watch only TV and read Newspapers. But in Donetsk only Russian TV channels are controlled DNR newspapers. In a telephone conversation me he recently called a i'm Ukrainian fascist.
I offer no comment on your conversation with your dad.
 

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If dreams were horses, then beggars would fly.
Here you go again...

There were no Republic of Donetsk there or rebels before Crimea. Russia formed and supported these alleged rebel groups in Eastern Ukraine to destabilize Ukraine. The megalomaniacal self-proclaimed Prime Minister, Deputy Prime MInister and Defence Minister are Russians. The deluded "Prime Minister" is now chickening out with the Ukrainian military at the doorstep of his "Republic."

Putin wants that area to be chaotic and he wants more collateral casualties so that the people in Donetsk will be more alienated against Kiev and Russia can engineer a direct intervention.
1939 when Stalin attacked Finland he formed in the first captured border town new "finnish peoples government" from finnish communists living in Soviet Union. Then when finnish army stopped Red Army and encircled and destroyed many divisions, he quietly stopped support of this nock up government and started peace talks with real finnish government. That war unified finnish people and ended all integral conflicts.
 

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I don't think the western leaders are going to listen.

They continue to arm the terrorists of the Kiev regime. NATO recently dispatched "protective gear" for the thugs who are killing the E. Ukrainians.
every country on earth deserves to choose their own destiny and the people of ukraine also should choose their own future. it's not up to the russian government to intervene and deploy their troops near the boarder whenever their former colonies signal to have a closer relationship with the west in order to seek a better future for their own people. all the people live in the countries near russia, including poland, lithuania, latvia estonia, georgia and now ukraine etc hate russia due to the obvious reasons. and your source is very reliable indeed. can't you come up with something or a source which is protected by a freedom of speech, information, expression, sex, or self determination at least?
 
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Federation Council Proposes Adding Vehicles, Medication to Import Ban

Hours after Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev announced the list of banned food imports from the European Union, U.S. and other countries, the Federation Council called for an extension of the ban to include imported vehicles and medications, and to make it more expensive for Russians to vacation abroad.

Nikolai Zhuravlyov, deputy head of the upper house of parliament's budget and financial markets committee, said Thursday that President Vladimir Putin's import ban, a response to Western sanctions, was not enough, according to Newsru.com.

"Our government has not yet exhausted its resources for responsive measures, the introduction of which would have a positive impact on the domestic economy," Zhuravlyov was cited as saying.

The senator suggested banning imported vehicles, as well as medications for which there is a Russian equivalent.

"In addition, restrictions could be applied to consulting services and franchising. We should also support domestic tourism by increasing taxes for Russians who go on vacation overseas," Zhuravlyov said, Newsru.com reported.

"Talking with Russia in the language of sanctions is impossible to do forever, and our response must motivate our Western partners to begin a balanced dialogue on both economic and political issues," the senator said.

He also praised the import ban as a "unique opportunity" for domestic producers, as it would allow them to increase their market presence, the news website reported.

The list of banned goods published by the Russian government Thursday could still be expanded, RBC newspaper reported Friday, citing two unidentified officials involved in the list's preparation.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/federation-council-proposes-adding-vehicles-medication-to-import-ban/504832.html
This can be good opportunity for Indian Auto-industry and pharmaceuticals industries to make their stop in Russian market.

The Pharmaceutical industry in India is the world's third-largest in terms of volume.[1] According to Department of Pharmaceuticals of the Indian Ministry of Chemicals and Fertilizers, the total turnover of India's pharmaceuticals industry between 2008 and September 2009 was US$21.04 billion.[2] While the domestic market was worth US$12.26 billion. The industry holds a market share of $14 billion in the United States.
Pharmaceutical industry in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The automotive industry in India is one of the largest automotive markets in the world. It had previously been one of the fastest growing markets globally, but is currently experiencing flat or negative growth rates.[1][2] India's passenger car and commercial vehicle manufacturing industry is the sixth largest in the world, with an annual production of more than 3.9 million units in 2011.
Automotive industry in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Russia, India to ink $40 bn gas deal: Reports



Russian President Vladimir Putin and Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi are expected to announce a massive natural gas deal during their summit later this year, Indian media reports said Monday.

Russian and Indian officials are negotiating a $40 billion gas pipeline project from Russia to India, oil ministry officials told Indian daily Hindustan Times.

"Russia so far has directed majority of its oil and gas supplies to the West"¦ however, the scenario may be quiet different in the coming years especially in the wake of its gas pipeline to China and the one now proposed till India," an Indian government official said.

Russia is a source of a third of all natural gas used in Western Europe. However, with the economic sanctions imposed by the US and the EU over the Ukraine crisis, Russian authorities are keen to diversify its gas routes.

Moscow and Beijing struck a $400 billion deal earlier this year under which Russia will supply 38bn cubic metres (bcm) of gas to China over 30 years.

Russia will also supply 46 million tonnes of oil to China each year in the next 25 years, according to recent deals signed by President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping.

Even as the US and EU try to isolate Russia on the Ukraine issue, Beijing and other BRICS capitals have been cementing their business ties with Moscow.

In 2013, Xi and Putin have overseen enormous Sino-Russian joint ventures including a massive oil deal with state-run Rosneft, Russia's largest oil company striking agreements to almost triple oil supplies to China in coming years from the around 300,000 barrels per day (15 million tonnes a year) it ships there currently.

Bilateral trade between Russia and China has grown to reach $90 billion in 2013.

The planned Indo-Russian gas deal could provide further support to a beleaguered Russian economy.

India's state-owned energy company GAIL (India) Ltd. will participate in the planned Indo-Russian project, Indian officials have said.

Meanwhile, the new Indian Prime Minister, who is being courted aggressively by US and its ally Japan, after his massive win in the Indian elections this summer, said in Fortaleza during a meeting with Putin that Russia is India's "greatest friend".

"If you ask anyone among the more than one billion people living in India who is our country's greatest friend, every person, every child knows that it is Russia. Everyone knows that Russia has always stood side by side with India during the toughest moments and without demanding anything in return," Modi told Putin.

Russian President Vladimir Putin will visit India at the end of 2014, presidential aide Yury Ushakov confirmed last month.

"Vladimir Putin will pay a customary visit to India in December – now it's our Indian partners' turn to receive us," Ushakov said.

Russia, India to ink $40 bn gas deal: Reports | The BRICS Post
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No, I have better taste.

Surely, you seem to be a person who will put a band-aid on your nose, if you cut your finger.

The west, mainly the US, planned and executed this entire chaos, starting with the National Endowment for Democracy (used to oust a democratically elected President), and now, the blame is on Russia, for reacting by helping their fellow Russians in Ukraine from the Nazi thugs.

The west blocked Russia's request for a ceasefire in the MH-17 crash zone. Where are your crocodile tears?

Oh yeah, it was Malaysian Airlines, not Philippine Airlines or British Airways.

I am glad at least part of the pretense is gone - and is not missed.
Maybe some ukrainian member on this forum could comment how big is the support for these far right "nazi" movements in Ukraine.
 

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Because in this forum are a lot of members outside of Europe, maybe some polish members could objectively tell what are the biggest differences living in EU sphere of influence compared to living in Russian one. Also it would interesting to know if there is still widespread support in Poland to have closer ties with Russia. Poland was at least 50 years a member of a Warsaw pact....
 

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Because in this forum are a lot of members outside of Europe, maybe some polish members could objectively tell what are the biggest differences living in EU sphere of influence compared to living in Russian one. Also it would interesting to know if there is still widespread support in Poland to have closer ties with Russia. Poland was at least 50 years a member of a Warsaw pact....
Living standard in Poland when we compare old WarPac times and today... hey it's like heaven and hell, today I can go anywhere I want around the world, I can purchase anything I want.

You might not believe that but during the old times, you could have problems purchasing a toilet paper, yeah, it was that bad, there was litteraly nothing in the shops. Children could eat oranges only during large hollidays like christmass, because only then oranges were imported to the country. These were awfull times, and Soviet Leadership didn't help either. For example they forced our puppet goverment back then, to shut down any projects that our engineers started, that in the end could end with a better quality product than what could had been developed in SU. It was most obvious in civilian automotive sector, in 70's and 80's we had some promising projects.

Today support of Russia in Poland is minimal at best, general public is rather distrustfull to the Russian goverment.

However don't make mistake, Russians are generally welcome in Poland, any kind of incidents are rarity, and when I talk rarity I mean it. In fact in our eastern regions near Kaliningrad Olbast, relations between normal Russians and normal Poles are very good, Russian come here to Poland to purchase high quality and cheap food or other products they can't purchase or afford in Russia.

So how to explain it? Hmmm.... we Poles don't like Russian goverment, however we do not have problem with normal Russian citizens, and if they only obey law and behave properly, hey come here you are welcome.

Actually I found a video made by young Russian Sasha, who made a trip in Poland, and as far as my weak russian permitts me to understand, he was rather delighted by our country.


The biggest problem with Russian goverment, and also very popular these days ideologists in Russia, like Alexandr Dugin, is that nations and countries under Russian influance do not deserve to exist, so these countries will become just some regions, oblasts and so on, being part of Russia, and nations will be russified and literally destroyed.

Another thing is, that all these nations have a good memory about what goverment in Kremlin did to them. Ukrainians remember Holodomor, we Poles remember how our national elite, officers, teachers, scientistis were just executed by Soviet goverment. What is worse, it didn't happened just during WWII, but also after it.

Not many people know that several years after end of WWII, Polish Home Army and underground state were fighting for freedom with Soviet troops and traitors here in Poland. In the end they were defeated by NKVD troops and UB, a sort of secret police of that puppet communist goverment, which believe me, "UBecy" as we call them, were even more hated by Poles than NKVD troops.

So as I said, at least we Poles are not against common people, but we are against actions of agressive goverment. And as I said some time ago, if only Russia and Russians could have a normal, peacefull, not paranoid, reasonable overment made from young people, not affected by that cancer of socialism, that seen world outside Russia and understand it.

It's worth to know, that common Russians will suffer under such kind of goverments as they have right now, just like any other nation afected by it's actions.
 
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Living standard in Poland when we compare old WarPac times and today... hey it's like heaven and hell, today I can go anywhere I want around the world, I can purchase anything I want.

You might not believe that but during the old times, you could have problems purchasing a toilet paper, yeah, it was that bad, there was litteraly nothing in the shops. Children could eat oranges only during large hollidays like christmass, because only then oranges were imported to the country. These were awfull times, and Soviet Leadership didn't help either. For example they forced our puppet goverment back then, to shut down any projects that our engineers started, that in the end could end with a better quality product than what could had been developed in SU. It was most obvious in civilian automotive sector, in 70's and 80's we had some promising projects.

Today support of Russia in Poland is minimal at best, general public is rather distrustfull to the Russian goverment.

However don't make mistake, Russians are generally welcome in Poland, any kind of incidents are rarity, and when I talk rarity I mean it. In fact in our eastern regions near Kaliningrad Olbast, relations between normal Russians and normal Poles are very good, Russian come here to Poland to purchase high quality and cheap food or other products they can purchase or afford in Russia.

So how to explain it? Hmmm.... we Poles don't like Russian goverment, however we do not have problem with normal Russian citizens, and if they only obey law and behave properly, hey come here you are welcome.

Actually I found a video made by young Russian Sasha, who made a trip in Poland, and as far as my weak russian permitts me to understand, he was rather delighted by our country.


The biggest problem with Russian goverment, and also very popular these days ideologists in Russia, like Alexandr Dugin, is that nations and countries under Russian influance do not deserve to exist, so these countries will become just some regions, oblasts and so on, being part of Russia, and nations will be russified and literally destroyed.

Another thing is, that all these nations have a good memory about what goverment in Kremlin did to them. Ukrainians remember Holodomor, we Poles remember how our national elite, officers, teachers, scientistis were just executed by Soviet goverment. What is worse, it didn't happened just during WWII, but also after it.

Not many people know that several years after end of WWII, Polish Home Army and underground state were fighting for freedom with Soviet troops and traitors here in Poland. In the end they were defeated by NKVD troops and UB, a sort of secret police of that puppet communist goverment, which believe me, "UBecy" as we call them, were even more hated by Poles than NKVD troops.

So as I said, at least we Poles are not against common people, but we are against actions of agressive goverment. And as I said some time ago, if only Russia and Russians could have a normal, peacefull, not paranoid, reasonable overment made from young people, not affected by that cancer of socialism, that seen world outside Russia and understand it.

It's worth to know, that common Russians will suffer under such kind of goverments as they have right now, just like any other nation afected by it's actions.
Great text. In Finland we were a year ago celebrating how great it was to have a normal and richer Russia as a neigbour. Trade and tourism were flourishing...Now there is this state of disbelief that are we going back to that old s##t we had almost 100 years.
 
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True, peace and economic relations would be the most benefiting to all.

However these old fools in Kremlin don't understand that, the only thing they care for is control, eh how little they changed, but what other to expect, Putin and most of his accociates are old KGB employees, they can only use that single, narrow way of thinking.

Hopefully these old fools will die sooner than later, making space for a younger generations.
 

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Because in this forum are a lot of members outside of Europe, maybe some polish members could objectively tell what are the biggest differences living in EU sphere of influence compared to living in Russian one. Also it would interesting to know if there is still widespread support in Poland to have closer ties with Russia. Poland was at least 50 years a member of a Warsaw pact....
True, peace and economic relations would be the most benefiting to all.

However these old fools in Kremlin don't understand that, the only thing they care for is control, eh how little they changed, but what other to expect, Putin and most of his accociates are old KGB employees, they can only use that single, narrow way of thinking.

Hopefully these old fools will die sooner than later, making space for a younger generations.
One Finnish writer with Estonian routes said: "OHRANA was there to protect Tzar and the state, KGB was there to protect The Party and the state, now FSB is the state"
 
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