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EDITOR'S CHOICE | 25.12.2017
Donald Trump Prepares to Escalate Confrontation with Russia over Ukraine

Doug BANDOW

Most Americans were told Donald Trump won the presidential election last year. But his policy toward Russia looks suspiciously like what a President Hillary Clinton would have pursued. Exhibit A is the apparent decision to arm Ukraine against Russia in the proxy conflict in the Donbass. This dunderheaded move will simply encourage Moscow to retaliate not only in Ukraine but against U.S. interests elsewhere around the globe.

With over 10,000 dead, the conflict in Ukraine is a humanitarian travesty but of minimal security consequence to America and Europe. Indeed, Kiev’s status never was key to Europe’s status. An integral part of the Soviet Union and before that the Russian Empire, Ukraine turned into an unexpected bonus for the allies by seceding from the Soviet Union, greatly diminishing the latter’s population and territory. Russia’s seizure of Crimea and battle in the Donbass destabilized an already semi-failed state, but did not materially alter the European balance of power. Or demonstrate anything other than Moscow’s brutal yet limited ambitions.

In fact, present allied policy makes continuation of the current conflict almost inevitable. Newly released documents demonstrate that Soviet officials reasonably believed that releasing their Warsaw Pact captives would not lead to NATO’s expansion to Russia’s border. Well, well. Look what actually happened—the very dramatic increase in tensions that George F. Kennan predicted would occur. For Russia sees geographical space and buffer states as critical for its security, and none are more important than Ukraine.
Expanding NATO, disregarding Moscow’s historic interests in the Balkans, dismantling onetime Slavic ally Serbia, aiding “color revolutions” that brought anti-Russian governments to power along its border, announcing the intention of inducting both Georgia and Ukraine into the alliance created to confront Moscow, and finally ostentatiously backing a street revolution against a corrupt but elected leader friendly to Russia—going to far as to discuss who should rule after his planned ouster—could not help but be viewed as hostile in Moscow. One can easily imagine how Washington would react to similar events in Canada or Mexico.

Russia’s response was unjustified but efficient and, most important, limited. Moscow grabbed Crimea, the only part of Ukraine with a majority of Russian-speakers (who probably favored joining Russia, though the subsequent referendum occurred in what was occupied Crimea). Moscow further backed separatists in Eastern Ukraine, perhaps in hopes of grabbing territory or merely bleeding Kiev.

Some Western responses were near hysteria, imagining a blitzkrieg attack on Ukraine, conquering the country. The Baltic States saw themselves as the next targets. Poland remembered its twentieth century conflicts with Moscow. At least one observer added Finland to Moscow’s potential target list. Others worried about intimidation of allied states, borders being withdrawn, and challenges to the European order. Some afflicted with war fever feared an attempt to reconstitute the Soviet Union and perhaps roll west from there.

None of which happened.

Perhaps President Vladimir Putin secretly was an Adolf Hitler-wannabe but was dissuaded by the U.S. and NATO response. However, economic sanctions and military deployments were modest. Assistance to Ukraine did not include lethal military aid. Most likely, Putin never intended to start World War III.

Instead, he opportunistically took advantage of the opportunity to snatch Crimea, the territory with the closest identification with Moscow, simultaneously safeguarding the latter’s major Black Sea base, and create a frozen conflict in the Donbass, effectively preventing Ukraine’s entry into NATO. Russia’s activity there also gives him an opportunity to create additional trouble for the U.S.

Moscow’s policy is unpleasant for America and Europe, but only prevents the allies from doing that which is not in their interest: inducting a security black hole into NATO. Even before 2014, Ukraine was a political and economic mess. While independent it mattered little for Western security, in NATO it would bring along all of its disputes and potential conflicts with Russia, a touchy, nationalistic nuclear power.

What State Department called “enhanced defensive capabilities,” which require congressional approval, aren’t likely to raise the price of the conflict enough to force Russia to back down. The Putin regime has far more at stake in preserving its gains than the U.S. does in reversing them. Moscow also is better able to escalate and is likely to consistently outbid the West: Putin’s advantages include greater interests, geographic closeness, and popular support. For Ukraine more weapons would at most mean more fighting, with little additional advantage.

Indeed, the plan to arm Kiev with weapons, especially if anti-tank missiles are included, as news reports indicate, would risk turning the Donbass conflict from cool to warm--and perhaps more. Ukraine already joins Russia in failing to implement the Minsk Agreement. Kiev would not only be better armed, but might believe that it enjoyed an implicit guarantee from Washington, which in turn would have more at stake and thus be less inclined to abandon its new “investment.” Then what if Moscow escalated? In 2014 the Putin government deployed Russian military units to counter Ukrainian gains. Would Washington do likewise in response to Moscow?

At the same time, transferring lethal arms would divide the U.S. from European nations, many of which oppose further confrontation with Russia, especially over Ukraine. Brussels already bridled at Congress’ new sanctions legislation, which passed without consulting the Europeans and targeted European firms. If Moscow responds with escalation, Washington may find no one behind it.

Providing lethal weapons would almost certainly encourage the Ukrainians to press for even heavier arms and escalate the fighting, as well as discourage them from negotiating a settlement. U.S. officials refer to the weapons as defensive, but their capabilities are not so easily compartmentalized. Said Gen. Joseph Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said the “ability to stop armored vehicles would be essential for them to protect themselves.” True, but the ability to disable tanks is useful on offense as well as defense. There has been little movement in the battle line over the last couple of years. New U.S. weapons aren’t necessary to preserve the status quo. Rather, they would most help Ukraine press harder for a military solution.

Does Kiev want to accept a compromise peace or fight on? Obama Pentagon official Michael Carpenter said providing weapons “will be a huge boost of support to Ukraine.” Moscow is not concerned about Kiev’s military potential. Russia is concerned that the U.S. and Europe say they intend to induct Ukraine into NATO. The closer the military ties grow between America and Ukraine, the greater Moscow’s incentive to keep the conflict going.

Russia also has opportunities to retaliate against American interests elsewhere. Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said: “The United States crossed the line in a sense” and “may lead to new victims in a country that is neighboring us.” America, he added, was an “accomplice in fueling war.”

That might be just talk, but Russia can provide aid, sell arms, offer political backing, and give economic assistance in ways that hamper U.S. activities. Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Venezuela all provide opportunities for Russian mischief. Moscow could refuse to back additional sanctions on Pyongyang or even provide the latter with S-400 anti-aircraft missiles.

Although limited resources constrain Moscow, politics encourages a tough response. Putin is running for reelection but has lost support because of the Russian Federation’s economic weakness. Nationalism remains one of his strongest issues; an assault by America on Russian interests would offer him a means to rally public support.

Also noteworthy is the fragility of the Ukrainian state. Kiev’s self-inflicted wounds are a more important cause than Russian pressure. The government is hobbled by divisions between East and West, violent neo-fascist forces, bitter political factionalism, economic failure, and pervasive corruption. The recent specter of former Georgian President and Ukrainian Governor Mikheil Saakashvili clambering across rooftops, escaping arrest, and railing against President Petro Poroshenko epitomized Ukraine’s problems. Kiev, to put it mildly, is not a reliable military partner against its nuclear-armed neighbor.

A better approach would be to negotiate for Russian de-escalation by offering to take NATO membership for Ukraine (and Georgia) off the table. In fact, expanding the alliance is not in America’s interest: the U.S., not, say, Luxembourg, is the country expected to back up NATO’s defense promises. And neither Kiev nor Tbilisi warrants the risk of war with a great power, especially one armed with nukes. Eliminating that possibility would reduce Moscow’s incentive to maintain a frozen conflict in the Donbass. Backing away also would create the possibility of reversing military build-ups by both sides elsewhere, especially around Poland and the Baltic States.



Washington and Moscow have no core security interests in conflict with each other, especially in Ukraine. Instead of turning a peripheral security issue into a potential military clash with Moscow, Washington should seek to trade military disengagement from Ukraine for Russian acceptance of that nation’s territorial integrity. Moscow might not agree, but the Trump administration won’t know unless it makes the offer. Right now, it doesn’t seem to care to even try. Quite the contrary.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/n...e-confrontation-with-russia-over-ukraine.html
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Western Ukrainian militant eliminated in Donbass



During the fighting in the Donbass, another militant of the "ATO" from Western Ukraine has been eliminated - officer Pyotr Mihailuk, born in 1974.
He was a resident of the village of Gologoga (Zolochiv district, Lviv region), - local media reported.
Pyotr Mikhailuk participated in a punitive operation and died before the New Year ceasefire on December 22, during the fighting in the village of Old Aydar in the Lugansk region.


http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/12/western-ukrainian-militant-eliminated.html?m=1
 

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Border guards seize over 870 weapons, nearly 18,000 munitions, 14 kg of explosives in 11 months

http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/472896.html

Ukrainian State Border Service officers found and seized more than 870 weapons, including 43% of cold weapons and almost 13% of firearms, on the state border of Ukraine, on the contact line in Donbas and on the administrative border with the temporarily occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea in the first 11 months of 2017.

"In addition, 17,900 munitions and 14 kilograms of explosives were found," the press office of the State Border Service of Ukraine reported early on Tuesday.

The border service added that weapons detection figures in the first 11 months of this year had remained at last year's level.

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Deputy Minister of Defence of Ukraine for European Integration Lieutenant General Anatolii Petrenko held talks with H.E. Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the State of Qatar in Ukraine Mr Jassim Rashid Mubarak al Khalifa.

“I would like to thank you for Qatar’s stance in support of territorial integrity of Ukraine and your national position during voting two Resolutions in the United Nations Security Council regarding territorial integrity of Ukraine and situation of human rights in temporarily occupied Crimea”, Lieutenant General Anatolii Petrenko remarked.

H.E. Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the State of Qatar in Ukraine Mr Jassim Rashid Mubarak al Khalifa thanked for cooperation and expressed interest in development of bilateral cooperation.

“Relations between our two countries are dynamic, there is a potential in development of cooperation, especially defence cooperation”, Mr Jassim Rashid Mubarak al Khalifa underlined.
 

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sorry, i dont read such nonsense.......:blah::blah:

i just copy paste news....:yo::yo:
When you post here: Yasinovataya fired at the AFU or Novoluganskoye fired by militants - then this is news. That is - incompetent analyst. I can publish scores like that. But I'm not ashamed to do this. Besides, I already said. Now the game is playing: "Who will take away the ORDLO (Separate districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions)" There is no military solution.
 

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When you post here: Yasinovataya fired at the AFU or Novoluganskoye fired by militants - then this is news. That is - incompetent analyst. I can publish scores like that. But I'm not ashamed to do this. Besides, I already said. Now the game is playing: "Who will take away the ORDLO (Separate districts of Donetsk and Lugansk regions)" There is no military solution.
Already Russian Military has massed more tanks, equipment and troops in the occupied territories and Ukrainian military intelligence is already having all the outputs. And according to Media outputs , Ukrainian military has already started counter strikes to regain thier territories.
 

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Already Russian Military has massed more tanks, equipment and troops in the occupied territories and Ukrainian military intelligence is already having all the outputs. And according to Media outputs , Ukrainian military has already started counter strikes to regain thier territories.
What media? Putin until mid-summer will not intensify the fighting.
 

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ZAKHARCHENKO DISCUSSED A BREAKING BREAK IN THE MINSK PROCESS

The exchange of prisoners between the People's Republics and Ukraine scheduled for December 27 should be a breakthrough in the process of a peaceful settlement of the conflict in the Donbass. This opinion was voiced today by the Head of the People's Democratic Republic of Belarus Alexander Zakharchenko.

 

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“Country welcomes her sons, who have passed through hard trials! I hope that all hostages will be released in 2018 and they will come back home to their families and friends. We do not forget about them and we believe that we will meet them soon. I wish their families and relatives strength, hope and belief in our victory!” Gen. Poltorak stressed.http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/473323.html

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko has said that all 74 Ukrainian hostages released from the captivity of militants as part of the exchange are already in the Ukrainian government controlled area.

"All 74 Ukrainian hostages are already at home, in the territory controlled by our army," he wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday.

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http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/473302.html


The hostage exchange process in Donbas is over, and 74 Ukrainian captives who were earlier held in non-government controlled territories have been released, the Ukrainian president's representative in the Verkhovna Rada, Iryna Lutsenko, has said.

"There's good news about which it is already possible to talk. The exchange process is over. The Ukrainian side has received 74 hostages who were held in captivity in the occupied part of Donbas. They are returning home!" Lutsenko wrote on her Facebook page on Wednesday.

Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, in turn, thanked the Ukrainians freed as part of the swap for their endurance.

"I have just thanked our guys who are returning from captivity, among them cyborg Oleksandr Morozov and historian Ihor Kozlovsky. Thank you for your endurance, guys!" Poroshenko wrote on his Facebook page.

According to First Deputy Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Iryna Gerashchenko, who represents Ukraine in the humanitarian subgroup of the Trilateral Contact Group, militants held 162 Ukrainians in occupied territories as of late November. According to her, agreements were reached to exchange 74 Ukrainians for 306 people detained by the Ukrainian side.

She noted that ten women were among 74 hostages. In total, she said, the Ukrainian side managed to find out the whereabouts of 96 Ukrainian citizens who are held hostage in non-government controlled areas.

The one-sided exchange was last held on December 29, 2016 when the Ukrainian side handed over 15 people to representatives of certain areas of Donetsk region. Kyiv made such a step, hoping to finally "unfreeze" the hostage exchange process blocked by militants.

The transfer took place in a neutral zone between Horlivka and Mayorsk.

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http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/473303.html

Svyatoslav Tsegolko, the press secretary of the Ukrainian president, said that in the near future - in 20 minutes - all 74 Ukrainian liberated hostages would come to the territory controlled by Kyiv.

"According to Iryna Gerashchenko, buses with our 58 guys left Horlivka to reach Mayorsk, which means that in 20 minutes all 74 of our hostages will be in the territory controlled by Kyiv," he wrote on his Facebook page on Wednesday.

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http://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/473333.html

Ukraine's irrecoverable losses during the Anti-Terrorist operation (ATO) in Donbas from the start of 2017 to December 18 amounted to 191 people, and another 174 Ukrainian servicemen suffered injuries, the Ukrainian Defense Ministry said.

"Since the start of the year, 191 people have been killed, have gone missing, or have been captured. Another 174 people have been injured. These are the figures as of December 18. The figures are changing every day," the ministry told Interfax-Ukraine on Wednesday.

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http://www.mil.gov.ua/en/news/2017/...more-important-than-the-return-of-our-people/

„Nothing is more important than to return our people home,” Petro Poroshenko said in the meeting with the relatives of the hostages.

„I hope everything will be alright. I hope it will be a symbol of our struggle and victory. Believe me, I’ve been waiting for this day for three years as well,” the President said.

„It was a very exhausting and professional struggle for everyone. I believe it will bring the result tomorrow,” the President emphasized.

The Head of State thanked the relatives of the Ukrainian hostages for their faith in the Ukrainian state and a joint struggle.

„Thank you for this dignity, this faith, this patience. Few people can understand the cost of this patience. It is also your merit that tomorrow can happen,” Petro Poroshenko addressed the relatives of the hostages.

The Head of State emphasized that the work on the liberation had lasted 24/7 over the recent days for all the necessary legal mechanisms to be applied.

The President used all the opportunities of the international pressure: from the Normandy format to our partners from the U.S., from the church to the negotiating group, from the Trilateral Contact Group to the OSCE and international organizations, from the ICRC to the Commissioner for Human Rights. „Everyone was involved and worked as a single mechanism to make tomorrow possible,” Petro Poroshenko stressed.

The President emphasized that the exchange was possible also due to the Minsk agreements, as they cleary envisage that.

The Head of State informed that every liberated Ukrainian would get proper medical assistance.

He also addressed the Government to provide the liberated Ukrainians and their families with material aid to facilitate their adaptation.

The relatives of Ukrainian hostages thanked the President for his efforts and attention to the problem of liberation of our hostages. They urged to „continue joint efforts and stay united”. „They haven’t come back yet, however you are already thinking about their rehabilitation. Thank you for that,” the wife of the military who will be liberated said.

Head of the Security Service of Ukraine Vasyl Hrytsak said that the Service would provide transportation and accommodation of the relatives of the Ukrainian hostages for the period of waiting for their return.

Commissioner of the President of Ukraine for rehabilitation of participants of the antiterrorist operation, ATO veteran Vadym Svyrydenko thanked the relatives for their faith. „I was captive and I know how important the faith of relatives is,” he said and assured that „a team of psychologists is ready to meet the military and will do everything to bring them back in conditions in which they left their relatives”.

In turn, Iryna Gerashchenko, the First Deputy Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada, the Representative of the President in the Trilateral Contact Group on Peaceful Settlement of the Situation in the Donbas thanked the President of Ukraine for the ongoing, constant and persistent efforts to free the Ukrainian hostages at all possible international platforms. „The struggle was for every person,” Iryna Gerashchenko said and added that the work on the release had not yet been completed.

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Stepan Poltorak, Ukrainian soldiers who were captured by militants have come back home

“Country welcomes her sons, who have passed through hard trials! I hope that all hostages will be released in 2018 and they will come back home to their families and friends. We do not forget about them and we believe that we will meet them soon. I wish their families and relatives strength, hope and belief in our victory!” Gen. Poltorak stressed.

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Near the touch line, President Petro Poroshenko met liberated Ukrainians who were kept in the occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

The President congratulated the heroes on their return and noted that everyone waited for their liberation. He also noted that the heroes are met today by the Ambassador of France and the representative of the German embassy. “Due to the efforts of Angela Merkel and Emmanuel Macron, of our big team, your liberation has become possible,” the Head of State emphasized.

According to Petro Poroshenko, the liberated Ukrainians will be transferred to Kharkiv by helicopters and then to Kyiv by planes. “A lot of Kyiv residents, Ukrainians, came to congratulate you and demonstrate how we’ve been waiting for you,” the President stressed.

The Head of State noted: “As Supreme Commander-in-Chief, as President, I will do everything to return every warrior. Today, we must unite to save those who left there. We must do everything to ensure the international pressure. We will win”.

Together with the President, the liberated Ukrainians were met by French Ambassador Isabelle Dumont, Deputy Head of Mission at the Embassy of the Federal Republic of Germany Wolfgang Bindseil, Minister of Defense Stepan Poltorak and Volodymyr Zhemchugov who had been liberated earlier.

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According to its characteristics, the Bulat tank has grown to the world level of tank building.




Ukraine is shaken by another tank scandal, which was happily picked up by Russian media. Local experts say that tanks T-64BM "Bulat" after modernization at the plant are not suitable for combat operations. But if you analyze the claims to Bulat in detail, it will become obvious that it is too early to bury the Ukrainian tank industry.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies Valentin Badrak literally weeps: all the corrupted T-64BM "Bulat" was urgently sent to the reserve for decay, because the technique "does not pull". Folk money is thoughtlessly wasted.

The blame for all is the usual looseness of the heirs of the Soviet "defense industry" and the lack of proper control: Ukroboronprom is not monitoring the quality of Ukrainian armored vehicles, but for its costs and the number of cars produced, that is, taking in quantity.

For Russian observers, such news is not a cause for sadness, but for gloating. But this time it is worth to think about what specific factors of the "Bulat" unfitness for the fighting led expert Valentin Badrak and his unnamed colleagues.

One of the main ones is the lack of a "certification base" for Ukroboronprom. This is really important - and this is an objective failure of the Ukrainian "defense industry." But if expert Badrak is hit on the back with a shovel first, which has a "certification base," and then a shovel without a certificate, he will not feel the difference.

It can not be overlooked that experts operate mainly with emotions, not with facts. What does this expression mean in general - "not suitable for combat"? To fight with whom? For tank combat or for tank blitzkrieg? Do not fit in what - can not shoot or can not drive? Professional liars know: the fewer details, the more invulnerable are lies. If Badrak called an unsuitable tank gun or tank engine, the military would show him on his broken fingers how much he is mistaken. And so - what to prove?

We pass to the remaining claims. Part of the "Bulat" is lost in battle. So what? They can even kill in the war. The claim to the tank is that it was hit? Any technique in the war is sooner or later pummeled. Inexhaustible machines do not exist at all.

The farmer says that dozens of cars are idle at a factory in Kharkov without repair and are in training centers. Together, this led to the inability to form even one battalion - 31 tanks. The military allegedly rejects the Bulatov because of their large mass and weak engine, preferring the linear T-64 and the modifications of the T-72 and T-80.

Let's say the tank has a really big mass and a weak engine, we'll believe "experts". However, those who were at war are well aware: it is better to hide from bullets behind a large tank with a weak engine than behind the sofa experts with a cast iron forehead. Let even a weak tank with a 125-mm cannon cover you, than representatives of the indifferent public with their huskies and outposts.

Now seriously. T-64 - the brainchild of the Soviet "defense industry". Even the T-34, after standing on the pedestals for many years, after a little prevention, get started and go where you need, which was proved, including in the Donbass. And the T-64 stood not on pedestals, but on storage bases.

Tanks "Bulat" is a deep modernization of Soviet tanks T-64A / B / BV. Adopted as the main tank of Ukraine in 2004. Ten years later, these machines got to the war - and for a similar war the tanks "Bulat" are quite suitable. They do not need to participate in tank wedges, breakthroughs of defense and in long marches for hundreds of kilometers. They are used mainly as a means of supporting infantry, suppressing individual fire points and controlling the territory. For these purposes, even a cannon on wheels. But the tank is much better.

Combat weight of the tank is 45 tons. The crew is three people. The "Bulat" multi-layer combined armor. Active protection of the "Warta" COEP. Built-in dynamic protection and dynamic protection "Knife". The caliber of the gun is 125 mm, the ammunition is 40 rounds, of which 28 are loaded. The firing range is two and a half kilometers of BPSS and cumulative projectiles, 10 kilometers with high explosive shells and five kilometers guided missiles. Also, "Bulat" has a 12.7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun and 7.62-mm machine gun.

The machine uses a multi-fuel diesel engine with a capacity of 1,000 horsepower. The speed along the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is almost 400 kilometers. The tank easily crosses a meter wall and a moat three meters wide. What can be the claim to such a tank?

Soviet T-64 was created in those years when there were still plans for a large tank war. His destiny is to destroy and suppress, but he has a huge reserve for modernization.

"Bulat" surpasses even some of the most advanced tanks in Eastern Europe - such as the Romanian T-55 "Bison", the Polish Twardy T-72M, the Czech and Slovak T-72M2 and T-72SZ. It can compete with Russian T-80 and T-90 tanks and even with Western "Leopard-2A5" and M1A2 "Abrams".

Of course, Bulat has its flaws and vulnerability to more modern machines, but as one old tankman used to say, "I would have my crew, and I'll stamp any Abrams on my 64th in the ground." Weapons are primarily people. A well-coordinated crew on old technology will destroy young and inexperienced even on the most perfect machine.

Today Ukraine has five tank brigades and four separate tank battalions. On the former storage bases of the three Soviet tank divisions there is still a lot of equipment. Moreover, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians did not sit idly by, and began to create their own tank-building. Over the years, local gunsmiths have been able to do a lot in the field of new tank protection, fire control, communications and so on. As a result, according to its characteristics, the Bulat tank grew to the world level of tank building.

In 2005, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first 17 tanks "Bulat". In 2012, their number increased to 80. The service life was extended by 15 years, and the motor resource was increased to 11 thousand kilometers. Like new cars.

The last proof of the "worthlessness" of the Bulat tank was the fact of its placement in the defense reserve. But in fact it is an indicator of excellent weapons. In war (especially as it goes in the east of Ukraine), it is more expedient to use something that is worse. The Russian military both campaigns drove the worst equipment to Chechnya. The republic was visited by units from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, and they all carried the oldest and most broken tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Much of this was later burned by militants. But the new cars command kept for the future. Why burn expensive cars ahead of time?

Tanks are very different: "Leopards", "Abrams", T-80, Type 90, but the RPG-7 made them all equal. All of them are equally well burned from a penny hand grenade launcher.

What happened to the Bulat in reality? Apparently, these are usual disassemblies inside the Ukrainian "defense industry". Supporters of the T-84 "Oplot" tank, by slander and smear, tried to bury the T-64 "Bulat", which is modernized at the same plant. Their motive is money. The T-84 "Oplot" tank costs four times as much as the modernization of the T-64 "Bulat", and was not included in the Ukrainian state defense order last year. By their main characteristics - firepower, protection and mobility - these tanks are almost the same from each other. However, the plant is more profitable to make new expensive tanks than to cheaply modernize the old ones. That's been invented a bike about the bad "Bulat".

Someone may be indignant, but the modernization of tanks is today the main direction of the world tank industry. Modernize everything and everything: the Germans - Leopard 2, Russians - T-72B and T-80, Americans - Abrams, Israelis - Merkava.

Therefore, throwing off the armored forces of Ukraine - a big mistake. Do not confuse the incantations of lobbyists with the verdict of industry - there is a risk of losing vigilance at the most inopportune moment.

https://vz.ru/society/2017/12/25/901297.html
 

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According to its characteristics, the Bulat tank has grown to the world level of tank building.




Ukraine is shaken by another tank scandal, which was happily picked up by Russian media. Local experts say that tanks T-64BM "Bulat" after modernization at the plant are not suitable for combat operations. But if you analyze the claims to Bulat in detail, it will become obvious that it is too early to bury the Ukrainian tank industry.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies Valentin Badrak literally weeps: all the corrupted T-64BM "Bulat" was urgently sent to the reserve for decay, because the technique "does not pull". Folk money is thoughtlessly wasted.

The blame for all is the usual looseness of the heirs of the Soviet "defense industry" and the lack of proper control: Ukroboronprom is not monitoring the quality of Ukrainian armored vehicles, but for its costs and the number of cars produced, that is, taking in quantity.

For Russian observers, such news is not a cause for sadness, but for gloating. But this time it is worth to think about what specific factors of the "Bulat" unfitness for the fighting led expert Valentin Badrak and his unnamed colleagues.

One of the main ones is the lack of a "certification base" for Ukroboronprom. This is really important - and this is an objective failure of the Ukrainian "defense industry." But if expert Badrak is hit on the back with a shovel first, which has a "certification base," and then a shovel without a certificate, he will not feel the difference.

It can not be overlooked that experts operate mainly with emotions, not with facts. What does this expression mean in general - "not suitable for combat"? To fight with whom? For tank combat or for tank blitzkrieg? Do not fit in what - can not shoot or can not drive? Professional liars know: the fewer details, the more invulnerable are lies. If Badrak called an unsuitable tank gun or tank engine, the military would show him on his broken fingers how much he is mistaken. And so - what to prove?

We pass to the remaining claims. Part of the "Bulat" is lost in battle. So what? They can even kill in the war. The claim to the tank is that it was hit? Any technique in the war is sooner or later pummeled. Inexhaustible machines do not exist at all.

The farmer says that dozens of cars are idle at a factory in Kharkov without repair and are in training centers. Together, this led to the inability to form even one battalion - 31 tanks. The military allegedly rejects the Bulatov because of their large mass and weak engine, preferring the linear T-64 and the modifications of the T-72 and T-80.

Let's say the tank has a really big mass and a weak engine, we'll believe "experts". However, those who were at war are well aware: it is better to hide from bullets behind a large tank with a weak engine than behind the sofa experts with a cast iron forehead. Let even a weak tank with a 125-mm cannon cover you, than representatives of the indifferent public with their huskies and outposts.

Now seriously. T-64 - the brainchild of the Soviet "defense industry". Even the T-34, after standing on the pedestals for many years, after a little prevention, get started and go where you need, which was proved, including in the Donbass. And the T-64 stood not on pedestals, but on storage bases.

Tanks "Bulat" is a deep modernization of Soviet tanks T-64A / B / BV. Adopted as the main tank of Ukraine in 2004. Ten years later, these machines got to the war - and for a similar war the tanks "Bulat" are quite suitable. They do not need to participate in tank wedges, breakthroughs of defense and in long marches for hundreds of kilometers. They are used mainly as a means of supporting infantry, suppressing individual fire points and controlling the territory. For these purposes, even a cannon on wheels. But the tank is much better.

Combat weight of the tank is 45 tons. The crew is three people. The "Bulat" multi-layer combined armor. Active protection of the "Warta" COEP. Built-in dynamic protection and dynamic protection "Knife". The caliber of the gun is 125 mm, the ammunition is 40 rounds, of which 28 are loaded. The firing range is two and a half kilometers of BPSS and cumulative projectiles, 10 kilometers with high explosive shells and five kilometers guided missiles. Also, "Bulat" has a 12.7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun and 7.62-mm machine gun.

The machine uses a multi-fuel diesel engine with a capacity of 1,000 horsepower. The speed along the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is almost 400 kilometers. The tank easily crosses a meter wall and a moat three meters wide. What can be the claim to such a tank?

Soviet T-64 was created in those years when there were still plans for a large tank war. His destiny is to destroy and suppress, but he has a huge reserve for modernization.

"Bulat" surpasses even some of the most advanced tanks in Eastern Europe - such as the Romanian T-55 "Bison", the Polish Twardy T-72M, the Czech and Slovak T-72M2 and T-72SZ. It can compete with Russian T-80 and T-90 tanks and even with Western "Leopard-2A5" and M1A2 "Abrams".

Of course, Bulat has its flaws and vulnerability to more modern machines, but as one old tankman used to say, "I would have my crew, and I'll stamp any Abrams on my 64th in the ground." Weapons are primarily people. A well-coordinated crew on old technology will destroy young and inexperienced even on the most perfect machine.

Today Ukraine has five tank brigades and four separate tank battalions. On the former storage bases of the three Soviet tank divisions there is still a lot of equipment. Moreover, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians did not sit idly by, and began to create their own tank-building. Over the years, local gunsmiths have been able to do a lot in the field of new tank protection, fire control, communications and so on. As a result, according to its characteristics, the Bulat tank grew to the world level of tank building.

In 2005, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first 17 tanks "Bulat". In 2012, their number increased to 80. The service life was extended by 15 years, and the motor resource was increased to 11 thousand kilometers. Like new cars.

The last proof of the "worthlessness" of the Bulat tank was the fact of its placement in the defense reserve. But in fact it is an indicator of excellent weapons. In war (especially as it goes in the east of Ukraine), it is more expedient to use something that is worse. The Russian military both campaigns drove the worst equipment to Chechnya. The republic was visited by units from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, and they all carried the oldest and most broken tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Much of this was later burned by militants. But the new cars command kept for the future. Why burn expensive cars ahead of time?

Tanks are very different: "Leopards", "Abrams", T-80, Type 90, but the RPG-7 made them all equal. All of them are equally well burned from a penny hand grenade launcher.

What happened to the Bulat in reality? Apparently, these are usual disassemblies inside the Ukrainian "defense industry". Supporters of the T-84 "Oplot" tank, by slander and smear, tried to bury the T-64 "Bulat", which is modernized at the same plant. Their motive is money. The T-84 "Oplot" tank costs four times as much as the modernization of the T-64 "Bulat", and was not included in the Ukrainian state defense order last year. By their main characteristics - firepower, protection and mobility - these tanks are almost the same from each other. However, the plant is more profitable to make new expensive tanks than to cheaply modernize the old ones. That's been invented a bike about the bad "Bulat".

Someone may be indignant, but the modernization of tanks is today the main direction of the world tank industry. Modernize everything and everything: the Germans - Leopard 2, Russians - T-72B and T-80, Americans - Abrams, Israelis - Merkava.

Therefore, throwing off the armored forces of Ukraine - a big mistake. Do not confuse the incantations of lobbyists with the verdict of industry - there is a risk of losing vigilance at the most inopportune moment.

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The only two reasons I can think of why the Kiev regime wants to continue with the Bulat is: (1) they have them in reserves, (2) Malyshev being in the Kiev controlled territory has tooling favourable for T-64 and T-80.
 

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According to its characteristics, the Bulat tank has grown to the world level of tank building.




Ukraine is shaken by another tank scandal, which was happily picked up by Russian media. Local experts say that tanks T-64BM "Bulat" after modernization at the plant are not suitable for combat operations. But if you analyze the claims to Bulat in detail, it will become obvious that it is too early to bury the Ukrainian tank industry.

Director of the Ukrainian Center for Army, Conversion and Disarmament Studies Valentin Badrak literally weeps: all the corrupted T-64BM "Bulat" was urgently sent to the reserve for decay, because the technique "does not pull". Folk money is thoughtlessly wasted.

The blame for all is the usual looseness of the heirs of the Soviet "defense industry" and the lack of proper control: Ukroboronprom is not monitoring the quality of Ukrainian armored vehicles, but for its costs and the number of cars produced, that is, taking in quantity.

For Russian observers, such news is not a cause for sadness, but for gloating. But this time it is worth to think about what specific factors of the "Bulat" unfitness for the fighting led expert Valentin Badrak and his unnamed colleagues.

One of the main ones is the lack of a "certification base" for Ukroboronprom. This is really important - and this is an objective failure of the Ukrainian "defense industry." But if expert Badrak is hit on the back with a shovel first, which has a "certification base," and then a shovel without a certificate, he will not feel the difference.

It can not be overlooked that experts operate mainly with emotions, not with facts. What does this expression mean in general - "not suitable for combat"? To fight with whom? For tank combat or for tank blitzkrieg? Do not fit in what - can not shoot or can not drive? Professional liars know: the fewer details, the more invulnerable are lies. If Badrak called an unsuitable tank gun or tank engine, the military would show him on his broken fingers how much he is mistaken. And so - what to prove?

We pass to the remaining claims. Part of the "Bulat" is lost in battle. So what? They can even kill in the war. The claim to the tank is that it was hit? Any technique in the war is sooner or later pummeled. Inexhaustible machines do not exist at all.

The farmer says that dozens of cars are idle at a factory in Kharkov without repair and are in training centers. Together, this led to the inability to form even one battalion - 31 tanks. The military allegedly rejects the Bulatov because of their large mass and weak engine, preferring the linear T-64 and the modifications of the T-72 and T-80.

Let's say the tank has a really big mass and a weak engine, we'll believe "experts". However, those who were at war are well aware: it is better to hide from bullets behind a large tank with a weak engine than behind the sofa experts with a cast iron forehead. Let even a weak tank with a 125-mm cannon cover you, than representatives of the indifferent public with their huskies and outposts.

Now seriously. T-64 - the brainchild of the Soviet "defense industry". Even the T-34, after standing on the pedestals for many years, after a little prevention, get started and go where you need, which was proved, including in the Donbass. And the T-64 stood not on pedestals, but on storage bases.

Tanks "Bulat" is a deep modernization of Soviet tanks T-64A / B / BV. Adopted as the main tank of Ukraine in 2004. Ten years later, these machines got to the war - and for a similar war the tanks "Bulat" are quite suitable. They do not need to participate in tank wedges, breakthroughs of defense and in long marches for hundreds of kilometers. They are used mainly as a means of supporting infantry, suppressing individual fire points and controlling the territory. For these purposes, even a cannon on wheels. But the tank is much better.

Combat weight of the tank is 45 tons. The crew is three people. The "Bulat" multi-layer combined armor. Active protection of the "Warta" COEP. Built-in dynamic protection and dynamic protection "Knife". The caliber of the gun is 125 mm, the ammunition is 40 rounds, of which 28 are loaded. The firing range is two and a half kilometers of BPSS and cumulative projectiles, 10 kilometers with high explosive shells and five kilometers guided missiles. Also, "Bulat" has a 12.7-mm anti-aircraft machine gun and 7.62-mm machine gun.

The machine uses a multi-fuel diesel engine with a capacity of 1,000 horsepower. The speed along the highway is 70 kilometers per hour, the power reserve is almost 400 kilometers. The tank easily crosses a meter wall and a moat three meters wide. What can be the claim to such a tank?

Soviet T-64 was created in those years when there were still plans for a large tank war. His destiny is to destroy and suppress, but he has a huge reserve for modernization.

"Bulat" surpasses even some of the most advanced tanks in Eastern Europe - such as the Romanian T-55 "Bison", the Polish Twardy T-72M, the Czech and Slovak T-72M2 and T-72SZ. It can compete with Russian T-80 and T-90 tanks and even with Western "Leopard-2A5" and M1A2 "Abrams".

Of course, Bulat has its flaws and vulnerability to more modern machines, but as one old tankman used to say, "I would have my crew, and I'll stamp any Abrams on my 64th in the ground." Weapons are primarily people. A well-coordinated crew on old technology will destroy young and inexperienced even on the most perfect machine.

Today Ukraine has five tank brigades and four separate tank battalions. On the former storage bases of the three Soviet tank divisions there is still a lot of equipment. Moreover, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukrainians did not sit idly by, and began to create their own tank-building. Over the years, local gunsmiths have been able to do a lot in the field of new tank protection, fire control, communications and so on. As a result, according to its characteristics, the Bulat tank grew to the world level of tank building.

In 2005, the Armed Forces of Ukraine received the first 17 tanks "Bulat". In 2012, their number increased to 80. The service life was extended by 15 years, and the motor resource was increased to 11 thousand kilometers. Like new cars.

The last proof of the "worthlessness" of the Bulat tank was the fact of its placement in the defense reserve. But in fact it is an indicator of excellent weapons. In war (especially as it goes in the east of Ukraine), it is more expedient to use something that is worse. The Russian military both campaigns drove the worst equipment to Chechnya. The republic was visited by units from Kaliningrad to Kamchatka, and they all carried the oldest and most broken tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. Much of this was later burned by militants. But the new cars command kept for the future. Why burn expensive cars ahead of time?

Tanks are very different: "Leopards", "Abrams", T-80, Type 90, but the RPG-7 made them all equal. All of them are equally well burned from a penny hand grenade launcher.

What happened to the Bulat in reality? Apparently, these are usual disassemblies inside the Ukrainian "defense industry". Supporters of the T-84 "Oplot" tank, by slander and smear, tried to bury the T-64 "Bulat", which is modernized at the same plant. Their motive is money. The T-84 "Oplot" tank costs four times as much as the modernization of the T-64 "Bulat", and was not included in the Ukrainian state defense order last year. By their main characteristics - firepower, protection and mobility - these tanks are almost the same from each other. However, the plant is more profitable to make new expensive tanks than to cheaply modernize the old ones. That's been invented a bike about the bad "Bulat".

Someone may be indignant, but the modernization of tanks is today the main direction of the world tank industry. Modernize everything and everything: the Germans - Leopard 2, Russians - T-72B and T-80, Americans - Abrams, Israelis - Merkava.

Therefore, throwing off the armored forces of Ukraine - a big mistake. Do not confuse the incantations of lobbyists with the verdict of industry - there is a risk of losing vigilance at the most inopportune moment.

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What pmaitra says is the bullshit of a gray mare. Indeed, the Bulat tanks did not justify themselves in combat and were withdrawn to the reserve. The project of their modernization was developed in the second half of the 90s, when the designers relied on the old Soviet doctrine and created a tank capable of resisting the western tanks. But it has had an effect that our enemy on the other hand and the character of tank combat are more maneuverable and at short distances. Do not need a new FSC, the old 1A33 is doing its job well. Bulat is expensive in modernization and operation. A new version of modernization has been developed and is entering the army. The tank is practically different not from T-64BV, but it has: new traks (as on T-80), thermal imagers, the ability to shoot new ATGMs, a digital radio station and JPS, which replaces many sensors that were installed on the Bulat
 

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Gorlivka (Ukraine) (AFP) - Ukraine and Russian-backed rebels have swapped hundreds of prisoners in the war-torn east of the country, one of the largest such exchanges since the outbreak of an insurgency almost four years ago.

The swap of captives on a dusty road close to the town of Gorlivka, 40 kilometres (25 miles) northeast of the rebels' stronghold of Donetsk on Wednesday was an attempt to revive a tattered peace deal between the Kiev army and rebels from the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics.

The war in the former Soviet republic broke out in April 2014, after Russia annexed Crimea the previous month.


The conflict has already claimed more than 10,000 lives. A series of truce deals has helped lower the level of violence but did not end the bloodshed.

In the first exchange since September 2016, the Russian-backed eastern militia handed 73 prisoners over to Kiev. The Ukrainian side released 233 rebels and their supporters, officials from both sides said.

The figures were significantly lower than previously declared, as dozens of prisoners -- almost all from the Ukrainian territory -- have refused to move to the other side.

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What pmaitra says is the bullshit of a gray mare. Indeed, the Bulat tanks did not justify themselves in combat and were withdrawn to the reserve. The project of their modernization was developed in the second half of the 90s, when the designers relied on the old Soviet doctrine and created a tank capable of resisting the western tanks. But it has had an effect that our enemy on the other hand and the character of tank combat are more maneuverable and at short distances. Do not need a new FSC, the old 1A33 is doing its job well. Bulat is expensive in modernization and operation. A new version of modernization has been developed and is entering the army. The tank is practically different not from T-64BV, but it has: new traks (as on T-80), thermal imagers, the ability to shoot new ATGMs, a digital radio station and JPS, which replaces many sensors that were installed on the Bulat
True.
But T-64BV will remain itself.
Nothing changed in transmission and engine design to make them reliable.
Nothing changed in armour scheme and materials - there were several issues in 1980-th when Malyshev directors had been withdrawn from duty and Party for using weak armour plating or non-armour construction steel plates to lighten the body for the sake of less stress to transmission and engine.

Those problems caused T-64 rework into T-72 on UVZ and T-80 on Kirovets with engine and transmission complete exchange and armour scheme rework.

Ukrainian army continues to rely on T-64 (as well as on mammuth crap old APCs) only due to their storage numbers.
Pre-maidaun times ukrainian mil and govt have put valid and running T-72s and T-80s on sale, leaving VSU with that T-64 crap.

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Analytical note from Alexei Polubota.

Kiev regarded the exchange of prisoners as a weakness of Russia and the Donbas
Today's event very much aroused the "war party" in Ukraine.The largest exchange of prisoners in the Donbass was held on Wednesday in the Donbass, according to preliminary data, the Ukrainian side handed over to the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics DNR and LNR) 237. In turn, the republic was handed over to 73 people

Initially, the parties agreed that 306 prisoners would be transferred to the Donbas republics, and to Ukraine - 74 prisoners. The Republic of Donbass practically fulfilled its obligations. They brought to the exchange site all those whom Ukraine demanded to release. However, as the representative of the Democratic People's Republic of Darya Daria Morozova reported, one of them refused to return to the territory controlled by Ukraine.

Ukraine, according to the representative of Kiev in the humanitarian subgroup of Viktor Medvedchuk, instead of 306 people delivered to the exchange place only 237. He explained this by the fact that some people were released from prison earlier and therefore did not take part in the exchange, and some refused to return to proclaimed republics of Donbass. Besides, the citizens of the Russian Federation were excluded from the list, which, according to him, according to the current international convention can only be transferred through the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

The Donetsk People's Republic at the meeting of the humanitarian subgroup and contact group on January 18 in Minsk will insist on the release of another 76 prisoners in Kiev during the second stage of the exchange.

"The Ukrainian side has already confirmed the presence there of 58 people held," Morozova said. "Another 18 people have been detained recently, but Ukraine has not yet confirmed their presence on its territory."

The representative of the DNR also stated that the exchange of prisoners under the formula "all for all" is possible only after the Ukrainian side announced the amnesty.

In addition, Morozova said that "one of the returnees from the Ukrainian side is in serious condition, he is hospitalized."

It should be noted that the beginning of the exchange procedure was delayed "because during two hours Ukraine in violation of previously accepted agreements, during the exchange continued to pass through the dividing line.

"The buffer zone was filled, so we were forced to transfer the place of exchange between Luhansk and Ukraine to the Ukrainian side, although initially the exchange was to be carried out in our territory," the representative of the People's Democratic Republic explained.

Moreover, not far from the exchange that took place at the checkpoint "Majoros" APU shelled the suburb of Gorlovka from grenade launchers.

What consequences for the civil war in Ukraine and the implementation of the Minsk Agreements will the exchange of prisoners of war that have taken place today take place?

"We must understand that today, for hundreds of people, radical changes have occurred in their lives for the better," says Alexei Anpilogov, director of the Foundation for Historical Research "Founding". "Moreover, the prisoners of war of the Donbas republics were in Ukrainian prisons softly in harsh conditions. And this exchange can be welcomed only because of considerations of philanthropy. None of those who received freedom today, instigators of civil conflict in Ukraine was not. They are, rather, his voluntary or involuntary victims. At the same time I refer to involuntary victims and Ukrainian servicemen. Since the very civil war in Ukraine is considered a disaster for both warring parties. We will give final assessments to what is happening after the conflict is over.

If we leave aside the humanitarian component and turn to politics, then, of course, the act of exchanging prisoners, this is primarily a political act. Each of the parties is trying to extract something for themselves from it. For the republics of Donbass and us, they sympathize, this is the continuation of the peace process. All this year the issue of "great exchange" of prisoners was hanging in the air. And we can only welcome that the Russian Orthodox Church has used its authority, finally, thanks to Patriarch Kirill, the assessment of this conflict. I recall that he considers the situation in Ukraine as a civil war. And the war inside the Russian people. And this conflict should end as soon as possible, because it simply corrodes the body of the Russian people artificially divided into parts.

As for the Kiev regime, it also gained certain benefits, and the benefits are strictly opposite than those who favor the unity of the Russian world. In Kiev, they want to submit it as a kind of demonstration of their strength. In the Ukrainian media, the exchange is presented as a victory for the Ukrainian negotiators. Despite the fact that a larger number of supporters of the Democratic People's Republic of China and the People's Republic of Germany are changing for fewer times the number of Ukrainian prisoners of war. This exchange will continue to be presented in Ukraine as a demonstration of the weakness of not only the Donbas republics, but also Russia.

In general, I do not think that this exchange will strengthen the position of the Ukrainian "party of peace", which is in favor of real negotiations with the Donbass republics and the gradual implementation of the Minsk agreements. Rather, the "war party" is activated.

"SP": - How?

- Ukrainian "hawks" will now affirm that by this exchange they have confirmed their commitment to the Minsk agreements. And now let the Donbass and Russia meet. I think that once again the information wave will intensify not only in the Ukrainian but also in the Western media about the need to transfer the border between Russia and the People's Democratic Republic and the People's Republic of Finland to the control of Ukraine, about violations of human rights in the Crimea and the Donbass, and so on, etc. Surely, some of the 70 liberated Ukrainian prisoners of war will tell the whole world "on paper" about the terrible conditions in Donetsk and Lugansk prisons, about tortures, etc. That is, their stories, I am sure, will be used for frenzied military propaganda, for in order to even more stir up the desire to crush "vile separatism" in the Donbas and not only in the Ukrainian citizen. Already more than once liberated prisoners of war from the inhabitants of Donbass and Russian volunteers spoke honestly about torture while in Ukrainian captivity. However, this did not become a subject of coverage on the central Russian TV channels. And in Ukraine everyone, even a local exchange of prisoners of war, is used to maintain the image of the enemy in the person of Russia and the Donbas separatists.

"SP": - Why does Kiev give away at times more prisoners of war than Donetsk and Lugansk? Is it possible to agree with those who say that more often for prisoners of war Ukraine gives out simply supporters of the Russian world or even random people?

- I do not think that among the prisoners of war there are absolutely random people. Even those who simply went out with pro-Russian slogans to demonstrate in 2014, who left anti-Bandar comments in social networks - these are still not random people for the liberation movement, which was never strangled on the territory of Ukraine. These people made a conscious choice in the hardest situation, when most of the society managed to zombify through the media and convince in the existence of Russian aggression. Although, indeed, a significant, even a large proportion of those who have been on the exchange lists, are not combatants - people holding arms. And this again shows the essence of the conflict. That this conflict is primarily civil, and then military and geopolitical. A break goes through friends and families. And those people who consciously went for something, to oppose themselves to the destructive ideas of Ukrainian Nazism. Russia, the Russian world must show that they remember about them, that they are not indifferent to us. Of course, most of these prisoners will not be able to return to their cities, to their relatives in the near future. But this fate is typical for civil conflicts of all times. And I was convinced of this on my fate.

"JV": - And what about those prisoners who, allegedly from the words of the Ukrainian side, refused to exchange?

- It's all tragic stuff. Kiev for various reasons and will continue to try to keep from issuing those who know too much about the "dirty kitchen" of the SBU and APU. Someone in general is a personal enemy of one of the Ukrainian politicians. Victor Apukhtin from Kharkov, for example, has been defending his innocence for 4 years already. His whole fault is that he helped the "humanitarian" of the besieged Slaviansk, while again not taking up arms. Nevertheless, he was only recently released under house arrest, since he is a sharp opponent of the current Ukrainian statehood ideologically. "
 
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i only post news from different Russian translated blogs....

Note from Tatyana Slobodchikova.



"Behind us, the Donbas: An inhabitant of the People's Republic of Poland broke away from captivity, who blew up VSUshnikov with a honey bank.During the exchange of prisoners in the Donbas, a resident of the Lugansk People's Republic was blown up who blew up the soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with a honey bank." Despite the constant violations of the armistice in the Donbass by the APU, side of the world, in particular, held an exchange of prisoners. So, the Ukrainian side was released an inhabitant of the LNR, who made an explosion at the checkpoint of the APU. At the same time, a three-liter honey bank was used. In January 2015, one Ukrainian soldier was killed in the Luganskaya village, three more VSUshnikov were seriously injured. Here is how it was. In the area of lunch, an elderly citizen appeared at the checkpoint. He introduced himself as a local resident and presented soldiers with a jar of honey - three liters. Also, a local resident thanked the military for their service, and then bowed out. When the soldiers opened the jar, an explosion occurred - there worked a disguised device with a bomb. This was told in the local Ukrainian administration. It is noted that in 2016, 65-year-old Nikolai Ruban, who undermined the checkpoint of the APU, was sentenced to 15 years in prison in Ukraine. Now the brave resident of the LNR is back in the ranks of militiamen. "
 

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True.
But T-64BV will remain itself.
Nothing changed in transmission and engine design to make them reliable.
Nothing changed in armour scheme and materials - there were several issues in 1980-th when Malyshev directors had been withdrawn from duty and Party for using weak armour plating or non-armour construction steel plates to lighten the body for the sake of less stress to transmission and engine.

Those problems caused T-64 rework into T-72 on UVZ and T-80 on Kirovets with engine and transmission complete exchange and armour scheme rework.

Ukrainian army continues to rely on T-64 (as well as on mammuth crap old APCs) only due to their storage numbers.
Pre-maidaun times ukrainian mil and govt have put valid and running T-72s and T-80s on sale, leaving VSU with that T-64 crap.

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Sorry, but I'm not stupid, especially from someone who believes that the T-72 is better than the T-64.o_O
 
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