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off topic partially ,but .. as the Genocide in east Ukraine reminds memories of the past
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Bedrosyan: The Genocide of the Pontic Greeks
http://armenianweekly.com/2014/07/02/bedrosyan-genocide-pontic-greeks/
The annihilation of the non-Turk/non-Muslim peoples from Anatolia started on April 24, 1915, with the arrest of 250 Armenian intellectuals in Istanbul. Within a few months, 1.5 million Armenians had been wiped out from their historic homeland of 4,000 years in what is now eastern Turkey, as well as from the northern, southern, central, and western parts of Turkey. About 250,000 Assyrians were also massacred in southeastern Turkey during the same period. Then, it was the Pontic Greeks’ turn to be eliminated from northern Turkey on the Black Sea coast, sporadically from 1916 onward. The ethnic cleansing of the Pontic Greeks got interrupted when the Ottomans ended up on the losing side of World War I, but their real destruction resumed in a well-organized manner on May 19, 1919. This article will summarize the tragic end of the Pontic Greek civilization in northern Turkey—a series of events less researched and documented than the Armenian Genocide, but equally denied and covered up by the Turkish state.

Pontic Greeks continuously inhabited the southern coast of the Black Sea in northern Anatolia since pre-Byzantine times. The ethnic cleansing of the Pontic Greeks followed the same pattern as the Armenian deportations and massacres: Citing security threats and suspicions of possible cooperation with the Russians, in the spring of 1916 the Ottoman government ordered that all Pontic Greeks be removed from the Black Sea coastal towns to 50 kilometers inland. Of course, in the case of the Armenians, the deportation orders were not only in the eastern war zone, but applied to every region in Turkey. The Pontic Greek deportations were carried out by the Special Organization (Teskilat-i Mahsusa), the same governmental organization that carried out the Armenian massacres, manned by convicted killers released from prisons. Documents show that the longer the prison term, the higher the rank given by the government for these criminals in carrying out their destructive tasks. Naturally, the Greek deportations soon transformed from relocation to robbery to mass murders. But because the Pontic Greeks had observed the fate of the Armenians a year ago, they got their defenses organized and resisted the deportations by taking to the mountains wherever they could. As a result, the deportations and massacres in this “First Phase Massacre” resulted only in 150,000 deaths, eliminating a third of the Pontic population until the end of the war.

The “Second and Real Phase of Massacre” that saw the organized destruction of the Pontic Greeks started in earnest with the arrival of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in Samsun on May 19, 1919. He met with the well-known mass murderers of the Armenians of the Black Sea region, such as Topal (Lame) Osman and Ipsiz Recep, and secured their cooperation in starting a terror campaign to get rid of the Pontic Greeks from northern Turkey. These two murderers, originally smugglers of illegal goods, had gained notoriety in 1915 when they rounded up Armenian men, women, and children in large boats, took them out to sea, and dumped them overboard to drown, then boasted that the “smelt season will be bountiful this year with lots of food for them.” As the Pontic Greek men had taken to the mountains, these two murderers went after the Greek women and children who had remained in the villages. Various methods of mass murder were implemented. It was common to take the entire population of villages to caves nearby, seal the entrance of the cave, and burn them alive, or use gas to suffocate them inside. Any male Greeks caught were thrown, alive, into the coal furnaces of steamships through the funnels. Churches became incinerators to burn alive as many Greeks as could be stuffed into the building. The extent of the tortures and massacres the Greeks endured even disturbed the local Muslim population, who petitioned the Ankara government to remove these murderers from the region. Eventually Ataturk brought them to Ankara, where Osman became his personal bodyguard. Yet, when Osman shot a member of parliament for criticizing Ataturk, and then threatened Ataturk himself, he was executed.

There were also the so-called “Liberation Courts” (Istiklal Mahkemeleri) set up in cities across the Black Sea region to try Greek rebels. These courts passed arbitrary decisions that almost invariably resulted in death sentences, with no defense or appeals allowed, and hangings carried out immediately. Among the victims of these courts were hundreds of Greek teachers in the American and Greek schools of the region, prominent community leaders, clergymen, and, tragically, entire members of the Merzifon Greek high school football team, only because the team was named Pontus Club, which was deemed sufficient reason to label them a rebel terrorist organization. Ataturk then appointed Nurettin Pasha as commander of the Central Army to mop up any resisting Greeks from the entire Black Sea region. This man, also known for his sadistic tendencies, destroyed thousands of defenseless Greek villages. Among his “accomplishments” was the arrest of a Turkish opposition journalist who had criticized Ataturk; Nurettin Pasha then had his soldiers tear the journalist alive limb by limb. He was also at the head of the army units that entered Izmir (Smyrna) in 1922, where he arranged for the lynching of the Greek head of the clergy in the same manner, and then began the Great Fire that destroyed the entire city.

Between May 19, 1919, and the end of 1922, the Pontic Greek population was decimated by 353,000 in the following cities:

Amasya, Giresun, Samsun: 134,078

Tokat: 64,582

Trabzon: 38,434

Niksar: 27,216

Sebinkarahisar: 21,448

Macka: 17,479

There was also a violent campaign to Islamize the Greeks; quite a number of them converted to Islam under threats and torture, followed by Turkification. With the 1924 Lausanne Treaty, the few remaining Pontic Greeks were included in the 1,250,000 Anatolian Greeks “exchanged” for Muslims in Greece, thereby completely emptying the Black Sea region from its historic Greek civilization. All the names of the Greek villages and towns were changed into new Turkish names. Turkish language was forced upon all the converted Greeks, Hamshen Armenians, Laz, and Georgian minorities.

And thus began a century-long brainwashing campaign of single-state, single-nation, single language, single-language policy. The May 19, 1919 date of Ataturk’s arrival in Samsun as a national holiday celebrating Youth and Sports Day was adopted in 1937, copying the German Nazis’ superior race policies, to demonstrate the athleticism and beauty of the Turkish race. The extent of racism was evident in the statement of then-Justice Minister Mahmut Esat Bozkurt, who said, “Turks are the masters in this country. The remaining peoples have only one right in this country, to be the maids and slaves of the real Turks.”

As recently as in 2008, then-Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul echoed the same racist sentiments in Turkey: “If the Greeks had been allowed to exist in the Aegean and Black Sea regions, and the Armenians all over Anatolia, would we be able to have a powerful national state today?” The chief murderer of the Pontic Greeks, Topal (Lame) Osman, is still regarded as a hero by nationalist Turks. His statue was recently erected in Giresun by one of the Eregenekon deep-state leaders, retired general Veli Kucuk, himself responsible for the “mysterious disappearance” of dozens of Kurds, and the assumed mastermind behind the organized assassination of Turkish-Armenian journalist Hrant Dink. Kucuk was arrested and sentenced to life in prison for plotting the overthrow of the Erdogan government as part of the deep-state trials, but was recently released from prison by Erdogan (following the falling out between Erdogan and the religious leader Fethullah Gulen, whose followers were among the prosecutor team and police forces who had arrested Kucuk).

It has now become clear that the Turkish state’s policy to create a single nationalist state with a single religion and language has failed miserably. Within Turkey, Kurds could not be assimilated, and the grandchildren of the hidden Islamized Armenians and Pontic Greeks are starting to “come out” to find their roots. Outside Turkey, the Armenians continue to demand justice and restitution for the 1915 genocide. Assyrians have also started to get organized in various European states to demand their rights. In 1994, the Greek Parliament recognized the Pontic Greek Genocide on the 75th anniversary of the 1919 events. There is now a vast body of common knowledge regarding the true facts of the genocidal events that took place in Turkey from 1915 to 1923, and they can no longer be covered up by the denialist policies of the Turkish state.




 

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there are many more option before Russian troops involvment. e.g.
-basic airforce supplied to Nova Russia with harm and anti tank missiles
- Buk also supplied
-heavy smerch artilery
-Iskander or even Tocka , on demand
-distruction by sabotase of infrustructure in LVIV and Dnepnopetrovsk ( e.g taking down high voltage grid around the country , disraption of railways..)
-Closing down the entrance , by many ways, of the two main ports of Odessa and Marioupol..
there is no end.. of actions possible
before troops step in..

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you see KIEV so far has not feel the pain of the war to its doorstep. war fro most Ukranians is something happening to the far East.. If war knock their neiborhood .. then attitutes will be different..
The population of DNR and LNR is too small (4M) to fight against the combined military of Kiev and Europe supported by USA. It is not workable whatever the weapons.

I believe Polish and Lithuanian soldiers are already involved from Kiev's side. The crisis just needs a tipping point, a place where Moscow decides it is simply too much.

Russia needs to prepare its population for war.
 

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The population of DNR and LNR is too small (4M) to fight against the combined military of Kiev and Europe supported by USA. It is not workable whatever the weapons.

I believe Polish and Lithuanian soldiers are already involved from Kiev's side. The crisis just needs a tipping point, a place where Moscow decides it is simply too much.

Russia needs to prepare its population for war.
No way .. for direct EU involvment..
if happens .. Russia will step in ..
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The process of Euro-integration failed to bring any positive results for Ukraine, Vesti.ua reported.
Politicians in Kiev lack the courage to admit the bitter truth: the overthrow of former president Viktor Yanukovych did not bring Ukraine closer to the European Union (EU).
Perhaps, ordinary Europeans sympathize with Ukrainians and may even feel truly sorry about what's happening in their country, but nobody is willing to step up and do something real about it.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150519/1022332360.html#ixzz3agygQkTm
 

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@arpakola, this conflict is inching towards total war. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind. The events in motion from EU/USA directly challenge the political authority of Russia. It directly challenges the political structure of the Russian people. The continuation of fighting has already resulted in firming of positions, where negotiation has become irrelevant. Kerry may go to Moscow, but it serves no purpose right now.

The most Kerry has achieved is some delay in the inevitable, which suits Moscow also as it is not ready itself. So both parties continue to prepare for war.
 

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21st May 2015, occupied territory of Lugansk republic GRAPHIC 18++


Your media will never show You: Ukrainian fascists hanged the militiaman and his pregnant wife and videotaped murder. Like modern fascists from Israel and NATO Ukrainian ones made souvenir photos before and during double execution.

EU/US/Israel brought to Ukraine cannibal fascist regime. The horrors of Nazi occupation, about which we read in the documentary novels and stories about World War II have now become a reality. Now the EU/US/Israel and other Western countries support the worst in Ukraine and call it democracy. EU/US/Israel has brought same democracy to Iraq, Libya, Syria and other countries, we see there the constant fights, executions, tortures, rapes and looting. Now this horror and chaos was brought to Ukraine. Now our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers are subjected to rape, torture and execution by the fascists and mercenaries from EU/US/Israel.
Watch this video about hanging of man and a pregnant woman. Them hanged the fascists from the battalion "Donbass", which was created by Israeli citizens - Igor Kolomoisky and his team...
The Ukrainian fascists by constant beatings, tortures and violence drive their victims to a state of apathy, and then execute them. Ukrainian fascists, like their counterparts from Al-Qaeda rape of both sexes.
Before hanging the fascists of Donbass batallion make a souvenir photos with each of the victims. With pregnant woman they photographed often. They remind fascists of Nazi Germany, soldiers of Israel and soldiers of NATO countries by this behavior. Watch this video and remember that this is Western democracy, which came to Ukraine.
These man and pregnant woman who were executed by fascists, appeared to be militiaman and his wife.
Read below the official information by the General Prosecutor Office of the Lugansk Republic:
"During a special op, the LPR law enforcement officers found the sabotage-reconnaissance group of the Ukrainian forces, the head of the investigative Department of the LPR Prosecutor General Leonid Tkachenko told a briefing today. According to him, the operation was carried out in the vicinity of Lugansk on the 20th of May. As a result of the firefight, one of the Ukrainian saboteurs was eliminated, two more managed to run away. “During the detention of the Ukrainian sabotage-reconnaissance group, one of the bandits was killed. He had a mobile phone, which we seized and found a video of the murder of the militiaman and his pregnant wife. Ukrainian soldiers had hung them. According to the preliminary findings of the investigation, we can say that those Ukrainian soldiers in the video are members of the Ukrainian “Donbass” battalion,” – Leonid Tkachenko said."

Report of General Prosecutor Office of the Lugansk Republic:
http://gplnr.org/…/179-v-hode-provedennoy-specoperacii-orga…

Video of execution
 

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Britain resigns as a world power
Over the next few years, Britain’s army will shrink to about 80,000. A report from the Royal United Services Institute predicts that the number could get as low as 50,000, which, the Daily Telegraph points out, would be smaller than at any point since the 1770s — and, as David Rothkopf of Foreign Policy magazine notes, about the same size as the New York Police Department.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9606f8-fff1-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

The MoD’s Emerging Budgetary Challenge
[pdf]https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/201502-BP-MoD-Emerging-Budgetary-Challenge.pdf[/pdf]
 

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Ukrainian nationalists have captured a rebel soldier and cut his forefingers. And then have posted a proud report on facebook:



Joy and fun by Ukrainian patriots in comments. Censor.net chief editor Yuri Butusov likes this.
 

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Brutal war. Looks like brotherly nations of Ukraine and Russia are forever separated. You can blame US or even Hitler for a lot of wrongdoings, but at war they were always openly. This Russias denying its presence is not only betraying all the agreements and neighbours, but also Russian citizen themselves. That is the legacy of Putin.
 

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http://fi.sputniknews.com

Sputnik news started Finnish language site. This brings back memories from childhood, when we read Soviet backed communist newspapers. Even the broken finnish is the same...
 

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Brutal war. Looks like brotherly nations of Ukraine and Russia are forever separated. You can blame US or even Hitler for a lot of wrongdoings, but at war they were always openly. This Russias denying its presence is not only betraying all the agreements and neighbours, but also Russian citizen themselves. That is the legacy of Putin.
Ukrainians are Russians. No one is denying their presence.

http://fi.sputniknews.com

Sputnik news started Finnish language site. This brings back memories from childhood, when we read Soviet backed communist newspapers. Even the broken finnish is the same...
Good. Now there is something to balance out Nazi propaganda in Finland.
 

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To be more precise, Ukrainians are fooled Russians, who were taught to fight with Russians to prove that they are not Russians.
I agree. They are also showing the civilized world the true face of European values.
 

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U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry v. His Subordinate Victoria Nuland, Regarding Ukraine




U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, on May 12th, responding to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko’s assertions that Ukraine will retake Crimea and will conquer Donbass:

“I have not had a chance – I have not read the speech. I haven’t seen any context. I have simply heard about it in the course of today. But if indeed President Poroshenko is advocating an engagement in a forceful effort at this time, we would strongly urge him to think twice not to engage in that kind of activity, that that would put Minsk in serious jeopardy. And we would be very, very concerned about what the consequences of that kind of action at this time may be.”

U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European & Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, as communicated by the U.S. State Department’s Press Office on May 15th, reiterating Poroshenko’s view:

“Assistant Secretary Nuland’s ongoing visit to Kyiv and her discussions with Prime Minister [Arseniy] Yatseniuk and President [Petro] Poroshenko reaffirm the United States’ full and unbreakable support for Ukraine’s government, sovereignty, and territorial integrity. We continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of Ukraine and reiterate our deep commitment to a single Ukrainian nation, including Crimea, and all the other regions of Ukraine.”

Will John Kerry reprimand his subordinate for her contradicting what he, her boss, had said three days earlier? If not, then will President Barack Obama fire his Secretary of State John Kerry? If not, then will Victoria Nuland be fired? If not, then who is to trust anything that comes from the U.S. State Department, when the Secretary of State can be contradicted three days later by his subordinate, and both remain in their respective jobs?


Vladimir Putin receiving US Secretary of State John Kerry in Sochi, May 12, 2015

Republicans are already preparing to weaken Kerry over this. The far-right news-site “Frontpage Mag” headlined on May 21st, “John Kerry’s Seven Hours of Weakness in Russia,” and condemned the “attempt by Kerry to re-set the ‘re-set’ button [on U.S. policy toward Russia] first pushed by his predecessor, Hillary Clinton.” The special subject of their ire: “The promise of ‘rolling back’ the mild sanctions regime the West imposed on Russia on account of Putin’s annexation of Crimea and support of separatist rebels was bandied about, if only Russia would behave in the future.” But winning changes in behavior is what international diplomacy is supposed to be all about — otherwise the State Department wouldn’t even be needed, and only the Pentagon would handle America’s foreign relations.

If Victoria Nuland stays in her job, then John Kerry will be neutered even if he’s not fired.:pound:

The only person with the power to fire Nuland is actually U.S. President Barack Obama. Perhaps the request for him to do that is already on his desk. If it’s not, then Kerry’s job is in jeopardy, because his diplomatic efforts can be obliterated by a subordinate :rofl:and that subordinate will suffer no penalty for doing this. Nobody then would respect anything that the U.S. Secretary of State says, because it wouldn’t necessarily represent the President’s policies. If the Secretary of State isn’t backed up by the President, then the Secretary of State has no real power at all.

Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They’re Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and Feudalism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Economics.

http://orientalreview.org/2015/05/2...ubordinate-victoria-nuland-regarding-ukraine/

USA and its forked tongue is a legend :bounce:
 

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BREAKING: Rebel Leader Alexey Mozgovoy Assassinated
“Ghost” brigade commander Alexey Mozgovoy, along with his spokeswoman and two bodyguards, has been killed in an ambush, according to LifeNews. There seems to be confirmation from other sources as well.
We can’t help but revisit a recent interview he gave:

OD: What would be for you a victory in this civil war?

AM: In this war there will be no victory.



OD: When will it end?

AM: It will end when the majority of the people will understand that they are being exploited for the benefit of others. On both sides. Nothing new. War has always been, and always will be, a business. The greatest victory will be if we create a government that thinks of the people. Not victory in the war, but victory over ourselves, over our own minds.


OD: Are the people already realising that something is amiss?


AM: That something is not right, yes. Not as much as we would wish. But sooner or later the two opposing sides will find a common language, and only then will they talk a little bit differently with each other. Only then can we create something that is truly popular. So long as people are distracted with “suicide”, we can build nothing here. Those who were conducting black affairs behind our backs will continue to do so.


Of all the rebel leaders, Mozgovoy knew what this war was really about: The gladiator ring; the rich vs. the poor. Until the very end, he advocated for reconciliation between West and East Ukrainians — and putting the oligarchs who ruined their country up against a wall.


May he rest in peace.
http://russia-insider.com/en/breaking-rebel-leader-alexey-mozgovoy-assassinated/ri7308
 

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The Americans are drunk on power, and continue to take actions to destabilize large areas of the world. Ukraine is just another example to destabilize Russian people.

Russia will be forced to make tough choice in the future. This war is not easy for anybody. The conflict will continue to escalate. The bodies will continue to pile up. HOWEVER Russia will be victorious in the end. Russians need to keep the faith. This is a remarkably tough fight in which FAITH will be the key.
 
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