Civil war in Ukraine

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In July, in the same square was about several hundreds.
Митинг в Донецке 6 июля 2014 - YouTube
Here more than a several hundred. But less than happened March. I think it is connected with the siege provision of the Donetsk:

and the fact that many have left Donetsk. Refugees distribute even we, in the Altai Republic(the South of Siberia) and up to the Far East.

Plus a certain factor has played a double game of some leaders of DND. Which has led to the submission of several cities before the meeting and melting of rumors that the Russians agreed with the US on the destruction of DND.

This depressed regions. Donbass - economically not need Russia.
It features the Ukrainian economy. Mines unprofitable until such time as all profits derived abroad. Resources, especially in densely populated region always would come in handy. Plus the 7 million people who are culturally similar, engineers, writers, scientists, yeah just workers - in Siberia the right people. When I worked on an oil rig, we have to half the teams were drawn from Ukraine. if would junta in Kyiv allowed them to hold a referendum and to secede from Ukraine - they would gladly accepted in Russia.

Now with the power accession is completely different games. Russia is engaged in the formation of the Eurasian Union. In November 2013, before unrest in the Ukraine, Turkey and Iran have expressed their desire jointo Union. This is a serious geostrategic project, which would unite Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the Caucasus, Middle Asia, Turkey (+ Syria), Iran, and (had it not been Maidan) Ukraine. The Union of the countries with the consolidated market, manpower and military block. War in which Russia was involved in this situation was completely out of place. Because of this, the Russian leadership to the latest pulled, hoping for a peaceful resolution to the crisis in Ukraine or on its preservation. Unfortunately Kiev junta went on the way of exacerbation. In fairness, the group pseudo-patriots-nationalists from Russia them seriously helped.

We had the unenviable choice of either we intervene and become engaged in a full-scale cold war with the US and Europe, with regional conflicts, across all borders.

Either leave the Pro-Russian movement in Ukraine. Then, following their defeat in Ukraine, threw himself would defeat and Pro-Russian parties in all neighboring countries. In addition, part of the same boat (related to international financial institutions), declaring the Russian leadership in betrayal of national interest, and our problems which accompany hundreds of thousands of refugees from Ukraine would suit the civil war in Russia. It is not fantastic, and the very real sceanrio. A few weeks ago, he began to be implemented when "NETWORK mass media" provides information about Ukrainian crisis 90% of Internet users in Russia and controlled by oligarch Malafeev (and international structures standing on him) began massive injection of misinformation about separate agreement between the U.S. and Russia on destruction of militia of the South-East. At the same time one of the field commanders that are associated with these structures, began without a fight to give the enemy a key sities. That, if not stopped, in the course of a few days would lead to the defeat of the militias and the transfer of the crisis on the territory of Russia.


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And how much do you call that? Donetsk is not besieged Leningrad. Every day I called up the father and friends. Look at the people. The elderly, those who still believe that Russia is identifying the USSR. And the idea is great - all to move to Siberia. Now it is clear why the militants destroy bridges, railways, TPS. Why then Russia this territory? Take these old zombies!
 

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Found this in some ukrianian patriotic blog:



so some urkainian nationalists dreaming about some kind of Reconcista on russian Krim? With the help of NATO. And then advancing in Krasnodar and Sochi?
 

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Su-25 were Suite no missiles with infrared homing. These were missiles with radar homing. All Ukrainian aircraft are ADROS and false targets heat. MANPADS stopped the effective.
They flew above the range of MANPADS.
 
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yes who cares from where the Buk Missile they got

why not we think the same way.. Terrorists misidentified MH 17 as Ukraine Air Force Transporter

I am not the Guy who support killing military professionals and shooting Passengers jets
Are you one of the drunk 'terrorists' who shot down MH17? Or are you from Russia who ordered the plane to be shot down? You obviously seem to know exactly how and where it happened just like Obama and Kerry know all about this within moments of the incident happening.
 

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Why is not US supplying arms to Ukraine? :mad:

US immidietely needs to send a squadron of A 10 to Ukraine and M1 Tanks.

Ukraine army should attack Ukraine-Russia border first with full strength, if they capture those border area, then pro-Russ rebels will be cut off from Russia, so will go down on supply.

On MH 17 incident, it was barbaric. May victims have peace in heaven.

Russia is our friend but it is not Ukrainian friend.
 

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And how much do you call that? Donetsk is not besieged Leningrad. Every day I called up the father and friends. Look at the people. The elderly, those who still believe that Russia is identifying the USSR. And the idea is great - all to move to Siberia. Now it is clear why the militants destroy bridges, railways, TPS. Why then Russia this territory? Take these old zombies!
The old men had built all the infrastructure that is in Donbass, Ukraine eats old Soviet legacy. As for moving to Siberia, then why don't move to Europe? About zombies, it is a good joke:

prayer to the zealots for help Poroshenko near the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine
18.07.14 Сектанты для Порошенко и Кличко спели Аллилуйя на Крещатике - YouTube

As for the USSR, then of course it can never be recovered. And it is not required. In the USSR there were errors which led to his defeat. You need to move on.

In our Republic, for example, raised the idea of establishing an electronic parliaments where decision-making is made by the method of direct democracy. In addition, it is planned experiments with the creation of enterprises civilian property which is not state and not private - managed by the councils of citizens directly. Imagine, factories, farms, shops - managed by online voting.

This will be the development of socialist ideas, and she realism within Russia, of course, if we can maintain the sovereignty (for this and need Eurasian Union). The European path involves the transfer of control anonymous "international community" and the privatization of land and infrastructure in favor of supranational commercial structures (Ukraine already buying all those who want).
 

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The old men had built all the infrastructure that is in Donbass, Ukraine eats old Soviet legacy. As for moving to Siberia, then why don't move to Europe? About zombies, it is a good joke:

prayer to the zealots for help Poroshenko near the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine .
I love of Ukraine and are going to live in Ukraine. I give a shit to Europe and Russia. I had the opportunity to move there to live, but I am very well here. Unlike many, I lived in the USSR and was proud of this country. The USSR is dead. The USSR never to return! However, who will tell me that modern Russia is equal to the USSR, to spit in the face. Modern Russia is an Empire before 1917. I was many times in Russia. Socialism there is no smell.
You also far from our problems, like the Indians.
 
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I love of Ukraine and are going to live in Ukraine. I give a shit to Europe and Russia. I lived in the USSR and was proud of this country.
Ukraine is too small to be one. Moreover, even in Russia too few people to create a closed production cycle. The unions of the countries is necessary for Europe began to create the European Union.

Choice now : either to become a part of the European Union and to accept their rules of the game and everything connected with it - to allow them to establish a network of control of society through non-governmental organizations, privatization, the prohibition of Communist ideology, the announcement of the criminal Soviet past, or to become a part of the Eurasian Union.

Yanukovych long hesitated maintaining neutrality, but now he is not the President.

And Russia is certainly not the USSR. But she, unlike many other countries, has sovereignty. It means to develop it in any direction. Unlike the junta, which seized power in Ukraine, in Russia, the Communist faction in the State Duma does not prohibit.
 

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And Russia is certainly not the USSR. But she, unlike many other countries, has sovereignty. It means to develop it in any direction. Unlike the junta, which seized power in Ukraine, in Russia, the Communist faction in the State Duma does not prohibit.
The CPRF cares about the interests of Russia, and the CPU cares about the interests of Russia, too. Although it is the Ukrainian party. Faction dismiss, because, according to the regulations there are few deputies. Lyashko - Radical party. He's the one in the Verkhovna Rada. He has no fractions. Why should we make exceptions for Communists? I will not enter into discussions on nonsense. Of course, in Altai more information than we have in Ukraine.
 

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The CPRF cares about the interests of Russia, and the CPU cares about the interests of Russia, too.
In this case,"Batkivshina", "Udar" and "Svoboda" - cares about the interests of USA
you don't think the CPU considers that the interests of Ukrainian and Russia coincide?

Altai more information than we have in Ukraine.
You have different information, different goals, and civil war.
 
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We have no civil war. There is the Ukrainian-Russian war. While hidden. First there were the makings of a civil war in Spain,however, the population of the occupied regions quickly realized who hides behind a mask of separatists and who is the main puppeteer Girkin, Boroday, Bolotov - is Putler!
 
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