Civil war in Ukraine

[sgarg]

I think the following article is quite relevant to this thread:

MH17 Verdict: Real Evidence Points to US-Kiev Cover-up of Failed “False Flag” | Global Research

I have said immediately after MH17 event on another forum that it is a false flag attack.

 

[sgarg]

There is a very concerted attack from USA on Russian interests in Ukraine. The events and "news" are being shaped to bring about a particular outcome.

Mr @jouni has a viewpoint but he seems to be uninformed. He goes more about feelings and opinions rather than by facts.

The fact is Anglo American empire is imperialistic despite its success. The USSR was people centric despite its failure.

As a student of Veda for last 7 years, I know the reason very clearly. The Veda defines four classes in which Brahmin is put on the top. Brahmin is the intellectual. Kshatriya is below Brahmin who is warrior. So Vedas put highest emphasis on intellect. USSR's socialism failed to implement Vedic model so it failed.

Vedic classes is based on qualities and qualification and not by birth. When Indian society swayed from Vedic class system by implementing it by birth, the society started to decline.

 

[Ray]

There is a very concerted attack from USA on Russian interests in Ukraine. The events and "news" are being shaped to bring about a particular outcome.

Mr @jouni has a viewpoint but he seems to be uninformed. He goes more about feelings and opinions rather than by facts.

The fact is Anglo American empire is imperialistic despite its success. The USSR was people centric despite its failure.

As a student of Veda for last 7 years, I know the reason very clearly. The Veda defines four classes in which Brahmin is put on the top. Brahmin is the intellectual. Kshatriya is below Brahmin who is warrior. So Vedas put highest emphasis on intellect. USSR's socialism failed to implement Vedic model so it failed.

Vedic classes is based on qualities and qualification and not by birth. When Indian society swayed from Vedic class system by implementing it by birth, the society started to decline.

It would not be correct to state - Anglo American empire is imperialistic despite its success.

Imperialism is a policy of extending a country's power and influence through colonization.

The Western expansion into erstwhile USSR dominated East Europe and its erstwhile parts is not colonisation, but a mutual security concern. That is justifiable from the geostrategic realities of the contemporary world.

Each nation is ruled by its own people and not by others, which would not be so if there was any imperialism or colonisation.

 

[Akim]

In Donetsk there are products, but people have no money.

 

[asianobserve]

Part of collateral actions?

U.S. Money-Laundering Probe Touches Putin's Inner Circle - WSJ - WSJ

U.S. prosecutors have launched a money-laundering investigation of a member of Vladimir Putin 's inner circle, several people familiar with the efforts said, in a politically sensitive escalation of pressure on the Russian president's cadre of billionaire supporters.

 

[sgarg]

It would not be correct to state - Anglo American empire is imperialistic despite its success.
The Western expansion into erstwhile USSR dominated East Europe and its erstwhile parts is not colonisation, but a mutual security concern. That is justifiable from the geostrategic realities of the contemporary world.

Colonisation is not necessary for an empire to function. The expansion of EU and NATO into former Warsaw pact countries is very much an example of expansion of an empire.
When a State becomes subservient to another power and surrenders functions like creation of money and security, it very much becomes a vassal to the empire.

 

[sgarg]

Part of collateral actions?

U.S. Money-Laundering Probe Touches Putin's Inner Circle - WSJ - WSJ

I expected this. They have already blocked assets of several Russians. I knew they will find ways to usurp the money. Not surprising.

 

[arpakola]

Part of collateral actions?

]U.S. Money-Laundering Probe[/B] Touches Putin's Inner Circle - WSJ - WSJ

thats a fanny think to say ..
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Russian news: Its Hard Times for Russia's Nationalist Putin-Bashers - Russia Insider
Its Hard Times for Russia's Nationalist Putin-Bashers
Russia is sending more materiel to Novorussia
Key Novorussian commanders have declared full support for Putin
Strelkov has harshly rejected the right-wing criticisms of Putin
A life and death battle continues in Russia between the Eurasion Sovereignists (conservatives) and the Atlantic Integrationists (liberals).

 

[arpakola]

In Donetsk there are products, but people have no money.

of course there are no money nor banks at the moment thanks to Kiev Junda bombardment of almost all public facilities..

but...
there you go..
http://russia-insider.com/en/ukrain...am/ukraine_opens_monsanto_land_grabs_and_gmos

Ukraine Opens Up for Monsanto, Land Grabs and GMOs
Loan conditions from the World Bank and IMF are forcing the deeply indebted country to open up to GMO crops, and lift the ban on private sector land ownership. US corporations are jubilant at the 'goldmine' that awaits them.

but also..

Farmers puts potatoes in bags before a distribution at Republique square in central Paris, November 5, 2014.(Reuters / Philippe Wojazer)

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[arpakola]

Mikhail Khazin on what Putin said between the lines
(please make sure to press the 'cc' button at the lower right to see the English subtitles)

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06.11.2014 :Summaries of Novorossiya :
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine?fref=photo
Result of a #Novorossiya artillery strike on a #Ukraine regime position via @press_dnr pic.twitter.com/9L99gR05ob

Ukrainian soldiers attacked a school in Donetsk. Two children were killed and four wounded. #Donetsk

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https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine?fref=photo
6th November 2014, city Kharkov, future Kharkov republic

Yesterday morning Kharkov guerrillas burned warehouse winter clothing for the army of the Kiev junta
Department of Emergencies of Ukraine in the city Kharkov reported that:
" November 5 at 6:56 a. m. to the number "101" received a report of a fire that occurred in Chervonozavodsky district of city Kharkiv. The three-story apartment building burned on the str. Rustaveli â„– 28/1. In addition, the fire began to tumble to a nearby two-story building, located close. The total area of the fire was more than 300 square meters. The fire was covered the entire facade of the building facing, insulation and auto wash room on the ground floor. In addition, a fire partially damaged office space on the second and third floors... "
http://www.kharkiv.mns.gov.ua/news/2822.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=becKeYQGKNY

 

[arpakola]

A chastiser from the UAF is braging of murdering a civilian. "Минус другий" = "Minus another (person)"
The photo is posted 4 months ago
Instagram

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Kiev implies passport control to the Donbass boarders..

So.. its final then ? :thumb:

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live Brussels (out of topic)
http://rt.com/on-air/protest-government-policies/

 

[Akim]

of course there are no money nor banks at the moment thanks to Kiev Junda bombardment of almost all public facilities..

but...
there you go..
Russian news: Ukraine Opens Up for Monsanto, Land Grabs and GMOs - Russia Insider

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I'm not going to prove anything.
Donbass is subsidized region. There are only pensioners, as the entire population of the Crimea. The Ukrainian government stopped paying social obligations on those areas that control the militants. Coal they have no one buys. Metal - ore without do not produce. Natural gas and electricity, comes with a free Ukraine.

 

[arpakola]

Donetsk, Yasinovataya, November 6
The UAF is making a push.Tanks are being charged towards Yasinovataya and Donetsk. Battles are being fought
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUDUIuoIEzo
https://www.facebook.com/TruthfromUkraine/posts/1568769223346424?notif_t=notify_me

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[sgarg]

@arpakola, Great coverage man. Thanks.

 

[arpakola]

I'm not going to prove anything.
Donbass is subsidized region. There are only pensioners, as the entire population of the Crimea. The Ukrainian government stopped paying social obligations on those areas that control the militants. Coal they have no one buys. Metal - ore without do not produce. Natural gas and electricity, comes with a free Ukraine.

ok then ..
dont bother with them ..and give independance..

 

[Akim]

ok then ..
dont bother with them ..and give independance..

If you give independence, then Russia will create such "people's Republic" in Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Kherson, Odessa. Isn't it clear that this is a cancerous tumor and if it is not to localize it will go next?

 

[sgarg]

@Akim, best wishes to you. My prediction is Ukraine will cease to exist as a State in three years. This prediction is very harsh but that is what I see.
You may fight but the fight will increasingly get bloody. If you think you can win a war with Russia, then I need to tell you that you are really dumb.

There was a Russian empire but no Ukrainian empire. There is a reason why.

 

[Akim]

@Akim, best wishes to you. My prediction is Ukraine will cease to exist as a State in three years. This prediction is very harsh but that is what I see.
You may fight but the fight will increasingly get bloody. If you think you can win a war with Russia, then I need to tell you that you are really dumb.

There was a Russian empire but no Ukrainian empire. There is a reason why.

Не говори гоп- пока не перепрыгнешь (A house is not a home - eng. analog
The Russian economy is plummeting. Putler may not contain even the Crimea. Oil and natural gas are falling in price. Nothing competitive Russia does not produce (except weapons). Themselves with food it provides only 50%. Without the support of Russia, the militants will not be able to wage war.
Now there is a high probability of open invasion of the Russian army.)

 

[Akim]

Von Bismarck said, no one will be able to defeat Russia, while she is with Ukraine. To defeat Russia, it is necessary to separate these two peoples. Before the annexation of the Crimea - enemy Russia was seen as only 15% of Ukrainians. Now it is 80%. Putler - fulfilled the plan of the German Chancellor. The incredible happened: the Russians are killing Ukrainians, and Germans their reconcile together.

 

[pmaitra]

@jouni, I have created a new thread, as I see it potentially derailing this thread.

Here it is: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...ndian-class-system-reason-indias-poverty.html