Civil war in Ukraine

[Akim]

How has it worked out for the people of the countries that actually had color revolutions? In most cases they are worse off no?

There weren't that many color revolutions. And of them, only one overthrew the dictator - Gaddafi. I have already said that it is the former government that always resists. Czech Republic and Slovakia are doing quite well. The rest of the countries have a military invasion factor.

 

[KurtisBrian]

I disagree. with this. Vice versa. It is the dictator and his entourage who bring death.

Well you are certainly not in the military. The military is a dictatorship. Most have absolutely NO SAY. Guess if you were in the military you'd blast your commanding officer since his orders might bring you death.

 

[Akim]

This isnt about a dictator, its about Kazakhstan being pro Russia. US didnt give two hoots when they overthrew Iran's DEMOCRATIC leadership and put in a monarch, because Iran was pro soviet.

Pro-Soviet Iran- is funny.

 

[Akim]

Well you are certainly not in the military. The military is a dictatorship. Most have absolutely NO SAY. Guess if you were in the military you'd blast your commanding officer since his orders might bring you death.

Don't compare the army and the state.

 

[KurtisBrian]

Don't compare the army and the state.

why not? they are both organizations, groups of people. Both have leadership that is either obeyed or disobeyed. Both have goods, products that are owned by the organization. Both must divide "pay' to workers. The main difference is that a state should have owners. Thieves always want to steal and become the owner....like in the novel/movie Animal Farm or usurpers eager to hold a mutiny on the Bounty.

 

[Optimistic Nihilist]

This isnt about a dictator, its about Kazakhstan being pro Russia. US didnt give two hoots when they overthrew Iran's DEMOCRATIC leadership and put in a monarch, because Iran was pro soviet.

Not just Iran or Libya, take any example you want, there's hundreds to pick from.

The Taliban beat girls for their footwear choices, the Americans ban medicine exports to places like Iran and Venezuela and kill millions. Those girls can avoid being lashed by following the dress code, but what do Iranian and Venezuelan cancer patients do to get the medicine they need?

The Taliban are only a problem now but when these guys were the Mujahedeen and lashing little girls for wearing sandals, they were somehow "freedom fighters like the Founding Fathers" and buddy-buddy with Murica.

Now they are exalting news stories of Afghan women crying and asking for help to escape Afghanistan. They probably said the same thing when the Soviets left in 1989 thanks to enormous funding from the US and Saudi Arabia, but nobody in the West cared. Then it was all just gloating about how a group of goat fuckers defeated a super power.

Well now these savages have beaten all of NATO combined but NOW tears are being shed for the Afghan women...interesting.

That's what USA and its bootlickers are incapable of understanding. It's that no one in the world buys their bullshit "we are the saviors and paragon of democracy" and fighting evil dictatorships copium anymore. Everyone has understood that people like the Taliban extremists aka Mujaheddin were the creation of their Government's foreign policy in their fight or rather obsession against the rise of Communism in Russia in particular.

The crap that we see there now is a direct result of Murican Government's "interventionist policies". They are now reaping what they have sown.

Mind you - it was their Government - being at the forefront of the crusade against the Communists - once took no issue in supporting two Communist countries (China and Pol Pot's Cambodia) against Vietnam that literally kicked their ass a couple of years prior. A humiliation that the warmongering elite in Muttmerica will never forgive - never mind forget.

History has revealed the atrocities committed by the Pol Pot's Communist Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, where 33% of males and 15% of the women in the country was slaughtered. The US Government knew very well what was going on but they turned a blind eye just to get a bite at Vietnam yet another miserable fail.

Never mind the fact that the USA funds and arms 3/4 of the dictatorships in the world to this day.

So spare us these laughable "overthrowing evil dictatorships" and bringing democracy nonsense. No one is going to fall for your crap again.

 

[Akim]

why not? they are both organizations, groups of people. Both have leadership that is either obeyed or disobeyed. Both have goods, products that are owned by the organization. Both must divide "pay' to workers. The main difference is that a state should have owners. Thieves always want to steal and become the owner....like in the novel/movie Animal Farm or usurpers eager to hold a mutiny on the Bounty.

Learn history.
In our country, there was already such an experience. In 1917.
The army must strictly follow orders that do not contradict the Constitution. But the people are not obliged to live in a totalitarian system and have the right to a coup.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Pro-Soviet Iran- is funny.

Well, It was pretty pro soviet then, and still more receptive to russians than americans.

 

[Tshering22]

Well, It was pretty pro soviet then, and still more receptive to russians than americans.

Actually, the Iran of the 50s was pretty much a tennis ball between powers, as there were Soviet and British influence zones in their country. It started taking formal stand only when their PM was overthrown by MI6 and CIA for nationalizing the oil company. Once the Shah came in, Iran became like modern day Germany - a vassal state to the US.

When it fell, Iranians went in the opposite direction with Russia, since Russians do not have the same sensitivities that the Anglophone-controlled West has. But today, Iran has become a confusing mix of foreign policies; sometimes see-sawing between being pro-Russian and other times being an Iranian version of the North Korean Juche (self-reliance) practitioners.

 

[Akim]

Well, It was pretty pro soviet then, and still more receptive to russians than americans.

Is that why the US sold weapons to the Shah?

 

[Haldilal]

Is that why the US sold weapons to the Shah?

Ya'll Nibbiars meant by late 80's and early 90's Iran. And during the adadan crises of the early 1950s was becoming a pro Soviet but then the Iranian PM was overthrow with the CIA orchestrated Coup and Shah returned. The Russian and Soviet always maintained influence in the Persia and then Iran from 18th century till the 20tu century. The Phalavi dynasty specially under the second Shah came closer to the Americans. Or else were donated by the Russian and the British influences.

 

[Akim]

Ya'll Nibbiars meant by late 80's and early 90's Iran. And during the adadan crises of the early 1950s was becoming a pro Soviet but then the Iranian PM was overthrow with the CIA orchestrated Coup and Shah returned. The Russian and Soviet always maintained influence in the Persia and then Iran from 18th century till the 20tu century. The Phalavi dynasty specially under the second Shah came closer to the Americans. Or else were donated by the Russian and the British influences.

We talked about the 70s. You don't have to remember the whole history, running into Persia.

 

[Haldilal]

We talked about the 70s. You don't have to remember the whole history, running into Persia.

Ya'll Nibbiars In late 80s Iran tilted more towards the Soviet as most of us knew. In the late 70's it was mostly jihad. Secular and leftist were hanged so no directly Soviet involvement. But may be some back channel relation may have happened. But definitely a it was jihadist state at that point.

 

[Haldilal]

Ya'll Nibbiars in the early stage of the war Soviet supported Iraq due to the killing of the memebers of the socialist and communist party memebers in the Iran but by the mid of the war the stance was more netural. And by the end of the war it started to tilt towards the Iran.

 

[Akim]

Ya'll Nibbiars In late 80s Iran tilted more towards the Soviet as most of us knew. In the late 70's it was mostly jihad. Secular and leftist were hanged so no directly Soviet involvement. But may be some back channel relation may have happened. But definitely a it was jihadist state at that point.

In the late 80s, the USSR certainly could not be an example. The country was going through a deep economic crisis caused by a technological backwardness.

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Is that why the US sold weapons to the Shah?

Are you even reading what I wrote? The US toppled the democratic govt of Iran, due to its closeness with the USSR, and replaced them with a monarch, The Shah. Thats why they sold weapons to the shah, as a counter to Iraq, because Iraq was earlier also pro soviet.

 

[Akim]

Russia is deploying attack helicopters to the border with Ukraine. Ukrainian combat units received additional MANPADS.
Let me remind you: During the capture of Debaltseve in 2015, the Russian army already used attack helicopters, but the Ukrainian soldiers on the front line did not have air defense systems. When they were delivered, the Russian agents in the General Staff of Ukraine informed their masters about it and the flights stopped.

 

[nixin]

Russia After Ukraine
USA after Kazakhstan?

 

[Flash12]

Russia is deploying attack helicopters to the border with Ukraine. Ukrainian combat units received additional MANPADS.
Let me remind you: During the capture of Debaltseve in 2015, the Russian army already used attack helicopters, but the Ukrainian soldiers on the front line did not have air defense systems. When they were delivered, the Russian agents in the General Staff of Ukraine informed their masters about it and the flights stopped.

Wow, what a funny fairytales about russian helicopters in Debaltsevo. Do you have any evidence of using helicopters by Russia during the battles for Debaltsevo? Because Google only knows about using of helicopters by the Ukrainian army.

 

[Flash12]

In connection with the recent events in Kazakhstan, there is a feeling that the United States has decided to act on the points of their own manual.

"Overextending and Unbalancing Russia: Assessing the Impact of Cost-Imposing Options"

https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_briefs/RB10000/RB10014/RAND_RB10014.pdf