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LAUNCESTON, Australia, April 2 (Reuters) - China and India lifted imports of seaborne thermal coal to three-month highs in March as the world's two biggest buyers took advantage of lower international prices of the fuel to meet strong domestic power demand.
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China and India are the same.
 

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see it this way

more CO2 and more desertification and deforestation hotter weather.

Hotter weather more drought, more drought less water, more water pollution and less water means less hydroelectric power, that means more coal.

Saddly Mexico is following that trend we have less water, so is India and China but more CO2 comes from China 3 times more than India

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LAUNCESTON, Australia, April 2 (Reuters) - China and India lifted imports of seaborne thermal coal to three-month highs in March as the world's two biggest buyers took advantage of lower international prices of the fuel to meet strong domestic power demand.
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China and India are the same.
not the same 31% China 9% India you emmit more CO2 more than 3 times more
 

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see it this way

more CO2 and more desertification and deforestation hotter weather.

Hotter weather more drought, more drought less water, more water pollution and less water means less hydroelectric power, that means more coal.

Saddly Mexico is following that trend we have less water, so is India and China but more CO2 comes from China 3 times more than India

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If India pursues economic growth,

its carbon emissions will also rise.
 

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We're adding 5 new units a year compared to China adding 2-3 new coal fired thermal plants every week in spite of being power surplus Chang. What's wrong with you?
Because China's economy is so strong,

More power is needed
 

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If India pursues economic growth,

its carbon emissions will also rise.
No we're striking a healthy balance in our energy sources mix. Check out for the percentage of renewable energy sources today & 5 years ago. It's China which is a rapacious country.
 

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China and India have chosen their own development models.

And they got what they wanted
 

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If India pursues economic growth,

its carbon emissions will also rise.
no it is not true, every thing depends in the model, every country has different model and resiurces



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Brazil

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India is a country of 1.4 billion people with a per capita GDP of $3,000 and a lack of energy.
China is a worse polluter, Indians can learn not to follow your model and they have their own government to implement other policies
 

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China is a worse polluter, Indians can learn not to follow your model and they have their own government to implement other policies
india does not have much choice.

If it is to pursue 8% growth, the only option to meet electricity demand quickly is coal.
 

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China's way ahead of Japan in material research & production of photo resist & other materials plant for photolithography to be used in SMC production & has already mfgd 1 nm SMC node.

Glory be to the Han

Glory be to the great CCP

Glory be to Zhongghuo

& Glory be to Emperor Xi Jinping - great helmsman 2.0
 

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China's way ahead of Japan in material research & production of photo resist & other materials plant for photolithography to be used in SMCs & has already mfgd 1 nm SMC node.

Glory be to the Han

Glory be to the great CCP

Glory be to Zhongghuo

& Glory be to Emperor Xi Jinping - great helmsman 2.0
This is what China is pursuing.

It takes a lot of electricity to produce semiconductors.

China also needs more power plants
 

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This is what China is pursuing.

It takes a lot of electricity to produce semiconductors.

China also needs more power plants
Going by your logic Chang, Taiwan which is the world's largest mfg of SMC should have the kind of electricity generation & consumption of China then.

Are you insulting our intelligence or revealing yours?
 

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Going by your logic Chang, Taiwan which is the world's largest mfg of SMC should have the kind of electricity generation & consumption of China then.

Are you insulting our intelligence or revealing yours?
Taiwan is known as Asia's most wasteful region of electricity

Taiwan's per capita electricity consumption ranks first in Asia and third in the world.
 

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China’s BYD Co. received at least €3.4 billion ($3.7 billion) in direct government subsidies as part of Beijing’s push to dominate electric vehicles and other clean technologies, according to a new study.

Aid for China’s leading EV maker jumped from €220 million in 2020 to €2.1 billion only two years later, Germany’s Kiel Institute for the World Economy said. BYD also is benefiting from support for local battery manufacturers and rebates for buyers of its cars, according to the report, which comes as the European Union investigates allegedly unfair aid for China’s EV sector.


Subsidies like those handed to BYD “have allowed Chinese firms to scale up rapidly, to dominate the Chinese market, and to facilitate increasing expansion into EU markets,” said the institute, which advises the German government.



The EU is facing calls to re-balance trade with China as countries including France flag an economic threat from a glut of Chinese-made products flooding the bloc’s market. BYD and its peers Nio and Geely are expanding in Europe after growing in China, where Western manufacturers including Tesla and Volkswagen are losing market share in a bruising EV price war.

Virtually all of China’s listed companies received direct handouts in 2022, the Kiel Institute said, flagging support for wind, solar and railway rolling stock companies. Industry aid in China is “at least three to four” times higher than in large EU and OECD countries, the group said.

The EU has set up a €40 billion innovation fund to compete with China and subsidies earmarked in the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act. In October, the European Commission launched a probe into whether Chinese aid for companies including BYD, SAIC and Geely had given the country’s industry an unfair advantage. Initial tariffs could come as early as July.

China has labeled the subsidy probe protectionist and says its carmakers are winning the EV race because of superior products. Chinese EV manufacturers are relying on “continuous technological innovation” and advanced local supply chains rather than the government, Chinese Minister of Commerce Wang Wentao said Sunday in Paris.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s trip to China in the coming week represents an “excellent opportunity,” to negotiate with Beijing about its subsidies, said Dirk Dohse, one of the report’s co-authors.

BYD started as a battery maker but invested large sums in researching EV and plug-in hybrid technology. It grew significantly when China’s domestic cars market took off thanks to generous EV purchasing subsidies.

The company, which reported 2023 net income of around 30 billion yuan ($4.2 billion), also has been able to undercut Western manufacturers on price in China. Its Seagull hatchback that comes with a 10-inch rotating touchscreen retails for under $10,000.


 

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China’s BYD Co. received at least €3.4 billion ($3.7 billion) in direct government subsidies as part of Beijing’s push to dominate electric vehicles and other clean technologies, according to a new study.

Aid for China’s leading EV maker jumped from €220 million in 2020 to €2.1 billion only two years later, Germany’s Kiel Institute for the World Economy said. BYD also is benefiting from support for local battery manufacturers and rebates for buyers of its cars, according to the report, which comes as the European Union investigates allegedly unfair aid for China’s EV sector.


Subsidies like those handed to BYD “have allowed Chinese firms to scale up rapidly, to dominate the Chinese market, and to facilitate increasing expansion into EU markets,” said the institute, which advises the German government.


The EU is facing calls to re-balance trade with China as countries including France flag an economic threat from a glut of Chinese-made products flooding the bloc’s market. BYD and its peers Nio and Geely are expanding in Europe after growing in China, where Western manufacturers including Tesla and Volkswagen are losing market share in a bruising EV price war.

Virtually all of China’s listed companies received direct handouts in 2022, the Kiel Institute said, flagging support for wind, solar and railway rolling stock companies. Industry aid in China is “at least three to four” times higher than in large EU and OECD countries, the group said.

The EU has set up a €40 billion innovation fund to compete with China and subsidies earmarked in the U.S. Inflation Reduction Act. In October, the European Commission launched a probe into whether Chinese aid for companies including BYD, SAIC and Geely had given the country’s industry an unfair advantage. Initial tariffs could come as early as July.

China has labeled the subsidy probe protectionist and says its carmakers are winning the EV race because of superior products. Chinese EV manufacturers are relying on “continuous technological innovation” and advanced local supply chains rather than the government, Chinese Minister of Commerce Wang Wentao said Sunday in Paris.

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz’s trip to China in the coming week represents an “excellent opportunity,” to negotiate with Beijing about its subsidies, said Dirk Dohse, one of the report’s co-authors.

BYD started as a battery maker but invested large sums in researching EV and plug-in hybrid technology. It grew significantly when China’s domestic cars market took off thanks to generous EV purchasing subsidies.

The company, which reported 2023 net income of around 30 billion yuan ($4.2 billion), also has been able to undercut Western manufacturers on price in China. Its Seagull hatchback that comes with a 10-inch rotating touchscreen retails for under $10,000.


 

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India was declared as the third-most polluted country in 2023, after Bangladesh and Pakistan, according to a report released by Swiss air quality monitoring body, IQAir.

According to the ‘World Air Quality Report 2023’, with an average annual PM2.5 concentration of 54.4 micrograms per cubic metre, India had the third worst air quality out of 134 countries in 2023 after Bangladesh (79.9 micrograms per cubic metre) and Pakistan (73.7 micrograms per cubic metre)

In 2022, India was ranked as the eighth most polluted country with an average PM2.5 concentration of 53.3 micrograms per cubic metre.

Meanwhile, in the report’s list of the top 50 most polluted cities in the world, 42 cities were in India. Begusarai was the most polluted metropolitan area of 2023, followed by Guwahati and then Delhi.

Located in Bihar, Begusarai had an average PM 2.5 concentration of 118.9 micrograms per cubic metre last year, marking a huge jump from an average of 19.7 micrograms per cubic metre in 2022. The city did not even figure in the 2022 rankings.
I am declaring based on satellite data that China is the #1 SOx polluting country in the world. North East china is what we can safely call a hellhole. Beijing is one of the most polluted capitals in the world where the haze and dust from the desert are so high that it hides the sun. Satellite data does not lie. I see that neither India nor Bangladesh has anywhere close to the dystopian levels of SOx coming from China. The rampant ore burning in Heilongjiang and other northeast Chinese provinces is probably the single most ozone destroyer on the planet. Of course the Wall Street fat cats don’t care and continue to promote China as a manufacturing haven.
 

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