China Economy: News & Discussion

[Azaad]

We can talk again in a few years! I think you'll be surprised. EVERYTHING is gearing towards a pretty dramatic change in semicon -- just like what we saw in EVs

You can talk to the air forces of Japan and Taiwan too with WS-10 engined J-16s and J-11Bs wearing down F-15s and F-16s

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Your EV dream will be still born sexychineselady, for as the Europeans & the US lose mkt share in China for their products , the same rules of engagement like in the SMCs would come into play . It's a called becoming a victim of your own success story. I hate to break this to you but it is what it is.


Perhaps you're unaware of the Stalinist axiom - quantity has a quality of it's own . That's what we're seeing the PLAAF do vis a vis Taiwan , Japan , Vietnam , India & to a ltd extent , RoK & Philippines.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Your EV dream will be still born sexychineselady, for as the Europeans & the US lose mkt share in China for their products , the same rules of engagement like in the SMCs would come into play . It's a called becoming a victim of your own success story. I hate to break this to you but it is what it is.

I am sure the West will put up new barriers like you said. But even simply taking over the China market completely (for either cars or semicon) is an event with global impact. So will taking over the Chinese airliners market completely

This is the chart of chips usage. Still a majority of it is imported but Chinese supplied chips are nearing equilibrium. Capturing the rest of the market is big enough to power growth for a long time.

Also China's trade will be geared towards he Global South and BRI countries in the coming decades.

Chinese components firms are in Vietnam and ASEAN and will be in Mexico and Latin America in a big way soon. Can the West ban all of them?

China had not exported much solar cell to the US since their tariff bans under Obama (yes, that long ago.) But China still dominates the global supply chain in photovoltaic. It will be the same in EV and semicon unless the West bans everyone from the Global South.

In 10 years, Mexico might have EUVs from China for their own silicon chip industry. Maybe India too. The global market is not only the West

Perhaps you're unaware of the Stalinist axiom - quantity has a quality of it's own . That's what we're seeing the PLAAF do vis a vis Taiwan , Japan , Vietnam , India & to a ltd extent , RoK & Philippines.

Quantity is the defining issue with aircraft engines. Most countries can't produce any engines. Certainly not enough to grind down F-15s!!!

China is putting up its J-11Bs, J-16s and now J-10Cs with the WS-10 against the F100/F110 of the F-15s and F-16s. China can't do that with weaker or less reliable engines when the Chinese fighters are flying over sea to areas next to Japan and Taiwan. These constitute thousands of scrambles and interceptions over the years. Indians can't imagine the scale of these operations. (I have not seen one intercept or scramble involving Chinese and Indian aircraft.)

If the WS-10 were less reliable, we'd see Chinese fighter pilots bailing out over the Sea of Japan and the Taiwan Strait instead of wearing down F-15s and F-16s

China is replacing Russian engines with the WS-10 even in the older airframes with limited life. Pretty telling that the WS-10 is reliable (and in great numbers) when the AL-31 is still good enough for huge numbers of aircraft in Russia and India.

 

[AnantS]

You do know that India has the same issues with gender ratio as China and has more polluted cities though it has a lot less industry?

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I'm sorry but China's pollution is an inevitable result of its GDP which is by most measures of consumption (cars, electricity, travel, pork, beer, etc.) is much larger than the US. China consumes (and enjoys life) almost twice as much as America never mind India.

As far as gender is concerned, to be perfectly honest I see no shortage of young women every time I visited. We are everywhere in the offices, shops and venues working and playing. All day and all night too!

And perfectly safe wherever we go at whatever the hour and wearing whatever we like -- and in subtropical Guangzhou and Shenzhen that is usually very little

Lol ... Please they should stop wearing any. Hopefully that should arrest your declining birth rate and askew gender ratio

While indian numbers are outdated and shall only be known under new census.

 

[Azaad]

I am sure the West will put up new barriers like you said. But even simply taking over the China market completely (for either cars or semicon) is an event with global impact. So will taking over the Chinese airliners market completely

This is the chart of chips usage. Still a majority of it is imported but Chinese supplied chips are nearing equilibrium. Capturing the rest of the market is big enough to power growth for a long time.
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Also China's trade will be geared towards he Global South and BRI countries in the coming decades.

Chinese components firms are in Vietnam and ASEAN and will be in Mexico and Latin America in a big way soon. Can the West ban all of them?

China had not exported much solar cell to the US since their tariff bans under Obama (yes, that long ago.) But China still dominates the global supply chain in photovoltaic. It will be the same in EV and semicon unless the West bans everyone from the Global South.

In 10 years, Mexico might have EUVs from China for their own silicon chip industry. Maybe India too. The global market is not only the West

To begin with whatever China produces from hereon in the SMC space or the EUVs or the wonderful civil aircraft you've produced powered by your own indigenously developed & produced TFs will be mostly for domestic consumption . Whatever you export , pls consider it a bonus.

Besides Photovoltaic cells & silicon wafers are hardly the equivalent of civilian aircraft or an EUV.

You may shift your manufacturing to wherever it is you desire , if you think you can circumvent the forthcoming ban by the US led west on Chinese EUVs mfgd in 3rd countries , perhaps you ought to look back on the ban the US put on the entire SMC ecosystem from doing biz with China from TSMC in Taiwan to Samsung of RoK & ASML of Netherlands.

The global South can't compensate for the sheer volume China can expect from Exports to the west. Add India to the latter list too as I'm sure once such a ban comes into effect India would be on board with the west as will RoK & Japan.

Quantity is the defining issue with aircraft engines. Most countries can't produce any engines. Certainly not enough to grind down F-15s!!!

China is putting up its J-11Bs, J-16s and now J-10Cs with the WS-10 against the F100/F110 of the F-15s and F-16s. China can't do that with weaker or less reliable engines when the Chinese fighters are flying over sea to areas next to Japan and Taiwan. These constitute thousands of scrambles and interceptions over the years. Indians can't imagine the scale of these operations. (I have not seen one intercept or scramble involving Chinese and Indian aircraft.)

If the WS-10 were less reliable, we'd see Chinese fighter pilots bailing out over the Sea of Japan and the Taiwan Strait instead of wearing down F-15s and F-16s

China is replacing Russian engines with the WS-10 even in the older airframes with limited life. Pretty telling that the WS-10 is reliable (and in great numbers) when the AL-31 is still good enough for huge numbers of aircraft in Russia and India.

I never claimed those TFs were unreliable . That used to be the case with China earlier. How reliable they are , how efficient they are is a different matter altogether & something time will answer . The reason your Fighter Aircrafts ( FAs) overcome fatigue & offer quicker sortie rates is because of the sheer numbers you've manufactured. The true sortie rate each such FA can generate in 24 hrs will only be known in a war when you go up against a peer like the US & it's powerful allies like Japan , RoK , Australia , the UK , etc .

India is in a different boat altogether as inorder to take off from the Tibetan plateau you have to fly with anywhere between half to a third of the payload depending on the thrust your Chinese TFs generate. To add to that the rarefied air over the Himalayas take a toll on the TFs flying from your side which is why you don't see the same kind of action you see in the SCS & ECS over the Himalayas.

But I believe gradually , China will up the ante here as well though they can't bring themselves to match the sheer tempo of fighter aircrafts they fly in the SCS or ECS here or in terms of the sorties they can generate in 24 hrs.

The PLAAF may be replacing the Russian Al-31 TFs as it may have reached the end of it's service life as well. How would you know that's not the case ? Plus with the war in Ukraine , Russia's not in a position to service anybody else's requirements & this may well be the case for not just as long as the war persists but in all likelihood for a few yrs after the war's ended as well.

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Lol ... Please they should stop wearing any. Hopefully that should arrest your declining birth rate and askew gender ratio

While indian numbers are outdated and shall only be known under new census.

The West had a declining birthrate basically forever (meaning since I became aware of these things ) And China, India and Africa always had these massive birthrates and too many poor people!

The West was always stayed wealthier because it wasn't burdened with too many hungry mouths to feed, too many young minds to educate, too many empty hands to employ.

Then suddenly China became wealthier and a challenge to the West and suddenly a lower birthrate is a "problem."

Not buying it. All wealthy countries have low birthrates. It is part of being developed. Per capita income increases and an economy grows more and more on consumption. Nigeria had a higher birthrate than Japan for decades now. But Japan is still far wealthier than Nigeria and that probably won't change in our lifetime -- at least not until Chinese firms turns Nigeria into another Vietnam to get around Western tariffs

Why do you think China is building all these "ghost cities"? Crazy isn't it? For country with a declining birthrate issue?

Maybe the reason, just maybe mind you, it is because there is still a lot of people in China?

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

I am sure the West will put up new barriers like you said. But even simply taking over the China market completely (for either cars or semicon) is an event with global impact. So will taking over the Chinese airliners market completely

This is the chart of chips usage. Still a majority of it is imported but Chinese supplied chips are nearing equilibrium. Capturing the rest of the market is big enough to power growth for a long time.
View attachment 205348

Also China's trade will be geared towards he Global South and BRI countries in the coming decades.

Chinese components firms are in Vietnam and ASEAN and will be in Mexico and Latin America in a big way soon. Can the West ban all of them?

China had not exported much solar cell to the US since their tariff bans under Obama (yes, that long ago.) But China still dominates the global supply chain in photovoltaic. It will be the same in EV and semicon unless the West bans everyone from the Global South.

In 10 years, Mexico might have EUVs from China for their own silicon chip industry. Maybe India too. The global market is not only the West



Quantity is the defining issue with aircraft engines. Most countries can't produce any engines. Certainly not enough to grind down F-15s!!!

China is putting up its J-11Bs, J-16s and now J-10Cs with the WS-10 against the F100/F110 of the F-15s and F-16s. China can't do that with weaker or less reliable engines when the Chinese fighters are flying over sea to areas next to Japan and Taiwan. These constitute thousands of scrambles and interceptions over the years. Indians can't imagine the scale of these operations. (I have not seen one intercept or scramble involving Chinese and Indian aircraft.)

If the WS-10 were less reliable, we'd see Chinese fighter pilots bailing out over the Sea of Japan and the Taiwan Strait instead of wearing down F-15s and F-16s

China is replacing Russian engines with the WS-10 even in the older airframes with limited life. Pretty telling that the WS-10 is reliable (and in great numbers) when the AL-31 is still good enough for huge numbers of aircraft in Russia and India.

Let me put this simply to you as people live in viaducts can only understand simple things:

- Chinese brand cars EV or not will never take off anywhere in the world except in certain third world countries and rogue nations.
- videos put out by the so-called “western” channels are videos I.e they capture what exactly is happening. E.g. when they show someone living in a hole under the viaduct or tofu buildings, it means 110% they live in a viaduct and the buildings fall. Do you understand what a video footage means?
- Do you understand that the text research reports you quote are all based on fake GDP stats?

Commies blaming “western“ research is a 100 year old fake claim. It has been there since the CCP was founded. LoL. Of course you are going to parrot it out here.

Research reports by U Chicago professors and other experts are well researched, solidly peer reviewed with highly reliable underlying data unlike the fake paper mills called Chinese universities. Indians know exactly what is going on in China thanks to these undeniable videos.


By the way, why does China lead in the number of executions (capital punishments) in the world as recent as 2022? The 2nd place country is not even close. Is this “western” propaganda as well.

How about all the videos of buildings catching fire or EVs roasting people alive? Did the “western” media pay local Chinese to set themselves on fire to show China in poor light?Forcibly made them eat urine soaked eggs and other crazy Chinese practices?

Did the western media pay local actors to act as if they were beaten by Chinese police or forcibly destroy forest to turn back to farm?

I would like to understand how many western agents are in China, how much they get paid, what local actors make when the “influence“ from under a bridge? I think the west has massively advanced in video technology - they are able to exactly reconstruct Chinese cities and people to malign China. This must be exposed. China being the champion of human rights must expose the west. What do you think?

 

[SexyChineseLady]

They are very afraid and angry

 

[SexyChineseLady]

 

[ym888]

China plans tech for breakthrough in alkali soil farming by 2030
Gong Zhe


China has revealed a plan to break through the core technology for farming on alkali soil in 2030, which will enable the country's farmers to make good use of the unhealthy soil that occupied more than 500 million mu (333,333 square kilometers) of land.
A research center dedicated to the study of the farming tech was set up on Monday in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province, which will coordinate the work of research institutions, universities and enterprises to break through the tech.
The main work of the research is to breed new traits of plants with saline and alkali resistance.

A scientist examines plant seeds in the storage of the National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province. /CMG
The center, named National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land, stores more than 20,000 kinds of seeds, which will be put into controlled environments to grow faster, according to a report from China Media Group (CMG).
Three-step process
The research center will take three steps to reach its goal. The first is to develop ground-breaking technologies related to soil improvement, fast soil fertilizing and more efficient use of water. This step is expected to be completed by 2025.
The second step is to obtain core technologies to make use of alkali soil by 2030 and incubate a batch of enterprises in this area.
The last step is to find sustainable way to apply the technologies and turn more than 185 million mu (123,333 square kilometers) of China's alkali soil into backup farmland.

 

[srevster]

China plans tech for breakthrough in alkali soil farming by 2030
Gong Zhe


China has revealed a plan to break through the core technology for farming on alkali soil in 2030, which will enable the country's farmers to make good use of the unhealthy soil that occupied more than 500 million mu (333,333 square kilometers) of land.
A research center dedicated to the study of the farming tech was set up on Monday in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province, which will coordinate the work of research institutions, universities and enterprises to break through the tech.
The main work of the research is to breed new traits of plants with saline and alkali resistance.

A scientist examines plant seeds in the storage of the National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province. /CMG
The center, named National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land, stores more than 20,000 kinds of seeds, which will be put into controlled environments to grow faster, according to a report from China Media Group (CMG).
Three-step process
The research center will take three steps to reach its goal. The first is to develop ground-breaking technologies related to soil improvement, fast soil fertilizing and more efficient use of water. This step is expected to be completed by 2025.
The second step is to obtain core technologies to make use of alkali soil by 2030 and incubate a batch of enterprises in this area.
The last step is to find sustainable way to apply the technologies and turn more than 185 million mu (123,333 square kilometers) of China's alkali soil into backup farmland.

I actually think this is a better use of resources than the vanity projects. If Chinese government is able to feed itself and its able to keep its people happy, there is less scope for war and less need for an external enemy.

 

[rockdog]

China plans tech for breakthrough in alkali soil farming by 2030
Gong Zhe


China has revealed a plan to break through the core technology for farming on alkali soil in 2030, which will enable the country's farmers to make good use of the unhealthy soil that occupied more than 500 million mu (333,333 square kilometers) of land.
A research center dedicated to the study of the farming tech was set up on Monday in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province, which will coordinate the work of research institutions, universities and enterprises to break through the tech.
The main work of the research is to breed new traits of plants with saline and alkali resistance.

A scientist examines plant seeds in the storage of the National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land in Dongying City, east China's Shandong Province. /CMG
The center, named National Technical Innovation Center for Comprehensive Utilization of Saline-Alkali Land, stores more than 20,000 kinds of seeds, which will be put into controlled environments to grow faster, according to a report from China Media Group (CMG).
Three-step process
The research center will take three steps to reach its goal. The first is to develop ground-breaking technologies related to soil improvement, fast soil fertilizing and more efficient use of water. This step is expected to be completed by 2025.
The second step is to obtain core technologies to make use of alkali soil by 2030 and incubate a batch of enterprises in this area.
The last step is to find sustainable way to apply the technologies and turn more than 185 million mu (123,333 square kilometers) of China's alkali soil into backup farmland.

This one this quite famous recently! The industry capability is empowering the agriculture.

China’s 26-storey pig skyscraper ready to slaughter 1 million pigs a year

The world’s biggest single-building pig farm has opened in Hubei province, but critics say it will increase the risk of larger animal disease outbreaks

www.theguardian.com

 

[ym888]

This one this quite famous recently! The industry capability is empowering the agriculture.

China’s 26-storey pig skyscraper ready to slaughter 1 million pigs a year

The world’s biggest single-building pig farm has opened in Hubei province, but critics say it will increase the risk of larger animal disease outbreaks

www.theguardian.com

It's too radical

 

[srevster]

China to promote 'new-era' marriage, childbearing culture amid population decline: Report

China's Family Planning Association will launch the projects to encourage women to marry and have children, state backed Global Times reported on Monday.

www.hindustantimes.com

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

No chance anyone is buying a Chinese brand car anytime soon. Chinese phones have not penetrated the western market. And there is zero chance that Chinese cars will. You can make these posters and stick them on the walls of the Shenzhen 50 cent center. That is all these articles are worth for.

 

[rockdog]

Chinese phones have not penetrated the western market.

And there is zero chance that Chinese cars will.

Europe has become the primary destination for ‘Made in China’ electric vehicles (EVs). In 2021, China’s global EV exports more than doubled to 555,041 units on the back of booming production capacity. Around 40 percent of this was absorbed by Europe, where Chinese EV already make up ten percent of total EV sales.

"Made in China" electric vehicles could turn Sino-EU trade on its head

Europe is now the main target for electric vehicle exports from China - a trend that has benefited greatly from Chinese market-distorting policies. Given the serious implications this could have for the European economy, the EU needs to carefully monitor the situation at home and abroad and...

merics.org

Europe forecast to import 800,000 Chinese-built cars by 2025

Europe forecast to import 800,000 Chinese-built cars by 2025

An influx of Chinese-built electric vehicles could turn Europe into a net importer of cars, PwC says, with a 2025 import surplus of more than 221,000 vehicles.

europe.autonews.com

 

[jai jaganath]

No chance anyone is buying a Chinese brand car anytime soon. Chinese phones have not penetrated the western market. And there is zero chance that Chinese cars will. You can make these posters and stick them on the walls of the Shenzhen 50 cent center. That is all these articles are worth for.

Chinese company byd plans to take 40% of Indian ev market and our shameless govt is not doing a bit to stop it knowing once they enter our market they will capture it like in phones sector
But again we might need another conflict to raise the buffoons

 

[rockdog]

Chinese company byd plans to take 40% of Indian ev market and our shameless govt is not doing a bit to stop it knowing once they enter our market they will capture it like in phones sector
But again we might need another conflict to raise the buffoons

BYD migt be too optimesitc, the automobile is the most protected industry for all nations.
But the tech and components from Chinese EV makers would be used for Indian local brands very soon, or going to B2B market.

Adani to deploy 400 BYD electric trucks at 4 Indian ports

Adani to deploy 400 BYD electric trucks at 4 Indian ports | electrive.com

www.electrive.com

 

[jai jaganath]

BYD migt be too optimesitc, the automobile is the most protected industry for all nations.
But the tech and components from Chinese EV makers would be used for Indian local brands very soon, or going to B2B market.

Adani to deploy 400 BYD electric trucks at 4 Indian ports

Adani to deploy 400 BYD electric trucks at 4 Indian ports | electrive.com

www.electrive.com

Atleast GoI is coming to sense now and looking into those companies who are just buying kits from China and assembling here and canceling their PLI proposal
But BYD should be stopped at any cost be it directly or indirectly thet will capture huge chunk for being cheap and good looks which most of the Indians care about as they lack technical knowledge regarding it
Be it ev cars or trucks or scooters or bikes they need to be stopped at any cost from China

 

[SexyChineseLady]

China EV companies, including component makers. are setting up shop in Mexico:

https://twitter.com/omodamexico

 

[SexyChineseLady]

Atleast GoI is coming to sense now and looking into those companies who are just buying kits from China and assembling here and canceling their PLI proposal
But BYD should be stopped at any cost be it directly or indirectly thet will capture huge chunk for being cheap and good looks which most of the Indians care about as they lack technical knowledge regarding it
Be it ev cars or trucks or scooters or bikes they need to be stopped at any cost from China

Like cellphone companies --Xiaomei, Vivo, Oppo etc., BYD and other EV companies will be creating assembly plants all over the world. Just like with cellphones, the supply eco-system is centered in China. These investments are meant both for the Global South market AND new export fronts for the US and Western markets.

If India does not want them there, BYD will just increase their investment elsewhere. The truth is India is already not the main attraction for this FDI, Vietnam and ASEAN is so it would actually help India if it tried harder to attract Chinese companies instead of blocking them

But I think India's attraction as a destination for the supply chains diversifying from China will fall below Mexico and Latin America too, never mind ASEAN:

Why Chinese Companies Are Investing Billions in Mexico (Published 2023)

Alarmed by shipping chaos and geopolitical fractures, exporters from China are setting up factories in Mexico to preserve their sales to the United States.

www.nytimes.com