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Honda China strike reveals growing labor discontent

'cheap labor' or 'sweatshop' seems no longer sustainable and increasing wages is a prerequesite for the masses to really benefit from GDP hiking at %% rate and boost domestic consumption as another engine of eco. growth. And widened social gap... workers' rights...
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http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/261...a-strike-reveals-growing-labor-discontent.htm

A strike called by workers in Honda Motor Co's (TYO.7267) Chinese plants that brought the Japanese auto giant's operations in the mainland to a standstill underscores the growing discontent brewing among the migrant workers in Asia's second largest economy.

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A group of Honda interim workers and workers hold a strike at the front gate after walking out from their plant manufacturing auto parts in Foshan at the southern Chinese Guangdong province May 31, 2010
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Last week, Honda was forced to shut all four of its Chinese auto assembly plants after nearly 2000 factory workers staged a walkout demanding a wage hike of at least 500 yuan ($74). An average Honda worker in China earns 1000 yuans a month.

Subsequent negotiations failed to bear fruit and despite Honda announcing a 24 percent pay hike, the auto major was forced to keep its joint venture factory Dongfeng Honda Automobile suspended till June 3 and idle its two factories, run by Guangqi Honda Automobile, and a separate export-only factory till Thursday.

Though strikes are technically illegal in China, as the government fears any form of social unrest, market watchers claim that the mainland has been hit in recent times by a string of labor disputes with migrant workers protesting low wages and harsh working conditions.

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According to a study by the International Labor Rights Forum, in the year after China's Labor Contract Law took effect in early 2008, the number of labor disputes doubled and the study has revealed that though the law set standards for labor contracts, use of temporary workers, layoffs and other conditions and has raised workers awareness of their legal rights, many manufacturing companies still brazenly flout the law and often employ people without proper contracts.

And the workers had no choice, claims Arthur Kroeber, managing director at the Dragonomics consultancy in Beijing. "The previous availability of labour in China meant you could de-automate industrial processes and turn cheap workers into machines," Kroeber said. "If workers didn't like it, they knew there were 10 other guys waiting to take their job."

However, now times have changed.

"The migrant workers of this generation are so different from earlier generations," says Li Guorui, a psychology professor at East China Normal University in Shanghai. "Modern migrant workers live in an age where it easy to get information through mobile phones, the media and the Internet. It is easy for them to know the lives of youths of the same age." Today's workers, Li said, "don't want to be a money-making machine."

According to Liu Kaiming, a workers' rights advocate with the Institute for Contemporary Observation in Shenzhen, the new generation of workers "have a better awareness of their rights."

"Today's migrant workers have higher expectations than their parents. They will choose where to work and ask for better salary," Liu said.

However, the "reality has not changed" and the workers "cannot bridge the gap between their dreams and reality."

Other labor experts agree.

According to Hong Kong-based China Labor Bulletin's Geoffrey Crothall, the new generation of migrant workers, who come from remote parts of China to big citie and are mostly in their 20s, have high aspirations but find it difficult to turn them into reality as they are overworked and get poor pay. And, frustrations rise when these workers sometimes "go to glitzy shopping malls and see people their own age driving BMWs and carrying Louis Vuitton handbags," Crothall said.

"These young workers feel like there's no one caring for them," said Li Qiang, executive director of New York-based worker's rights group China Labor Watch.

For example, Li said that after Foxconn was hit by a string of suicides by its workers at its Shenzhen facility in southern China, investigations revealed that workers at the world's largest contract manufacturer of electronic products were underpaid and over-worked.

Labor groups claim Foxconn enforces "military-style administration and harsh working conditions," making its workers, most of whom are in their early 20s with little or no social support, labor for up to 12 hours at a stretch on highly-repetitive, assembly-line tasks without any break and sometimes the workers are forced to work even on weekends.

However, Foxconn is not an exception and most Chinese factories, if not all, ignore workers' personal values for the sake of efficiency and increased productivity.

"In some isolated companies, you will never know what's happening there," Shenzhen-based labor expert Liu said.

Guo Yuhua, a sociology professor at Tsinghua University in Beijing, feels companies like Foxconn or Honda are a "microcosm of China's labor system." "The country's prosperity is based on migrant workers' blood and sweat, and the country certainly needs to do something for the laborers," Gou said.

Agrees Jin Bei, head of the industrial research institute of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences. According to Jin, incidents like Foxconn and Honda show "one big problem: people are not machines."

Rising living standards and "individual dignity" mean that companies must find ways to treat workers well even under conditions of intense global competition, Jin wrote in a commentary Monday in the China Business Journal. "Otherwise, such tragedies and crises will be inevitable."

Huang Yiping, an economics professor at Peking University feels China must embrace higher wages to address the labor problem. "After three decades of rapid growth partly driven by cheap labor, China must adjust" to higher wages, Huang said.

Agrees Crothall. "The wages of these workers should be raised to decent levels so they won't feel they need to rely on overtime. That would give them time to socialize, relax and work through whatever issues they have," he said.

Foxconn and Honda said they would increase wages by 20 percent and 24 percent respectively besides announcing a slew of measures meant to boost the morale of their workers.

Shares of Honda, which announced recently that it would increase production in China by 30 percent to make 830,000 vehicles a year and makes the Accord and Civic sedan, Odyssey minivan, Jazz hatchback and CRV SUV in the mainland, closed 0.22 percent down at 2764 yen
 
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well, Foxcon is to raise the mini monthly wage to 2000 RMB(about 300 USD) this year.
 

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If wages/salaries don't increase

- then what's the point of GDP growing at %%% if the underpaid workers don't benefit from the growth and improve their living standard?
- how can China switch to a more domestic consumption oriented development model with a bigger purchasing power?

In the end Foxconn or Honda (or enterprises alike) need to charge back from their OEM/ODM customers like Apple and share with the workers a bigger slice of the pie.

Workers' rights seem being held in limbo for a long time. And labor union - as we all know, is another apparatus for show.
 

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If wages/salaries don't increase

- then what's the point of GDP growing at %%% if the underpaid workers don't benefit from the growth and improve their living standard?
Exactly, so far the western companies and CCP party members have been benefiting/profiting from this while average Chinese migrant was slogging off. Time for them to demand their rightful share which was so far been suppressed by CCP goons.

- how can China switch to a more domestic consumption oriented development model with a bigger purchasing power?

In the end Foxconn or Honda (or enterprises alike) need to charge back from their OEM/ODM customers like Apple and share with the workers a bigger slice of the pie.

Workers' rights seem being held in limbo for a long time. And labor union - as we all know, is another apparatus for show.
But with increase in wages, China will lose the advantage (if you can really call it so) of low cost of labor and companies working on wafer thin margins will lose that also leading to increase in price due to increase in manufacturing cost. This will make the western companies to look for alternative low cast places to do their manufacturing business in order to maintain the low prices of the goods. China will lose the edge of exports but at the same time gain by increase in domestic consumption. Its a win-win situation for Chinese migrants and economy.
 

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Exactly, so far the western companies and CCP party members have been benefiting/profiting from this while average Chinese migrant was slogging off. Time for them to demand their rightful share which was so far been suppressed by CCP goons.



But with increase in wages, China will lose the advantage (if you can really call it so) of low cost of labor and companies working on wafer thin margins will lose that also leading to increase in price due to increase in manufacturing cost. This will make the western companies to look for alternative low cast places to do their manufacturing business in order to maintain the low prices of the goods. China will lose the edge of exports but at the same time gain by increase in domestic consumption. Its a win-win situation for Chinese migrants and economy.
On the earth, there doen't exist another country which has third world level income and first world level infrastructure.
 

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Wage hike and its resulting commodity price hike is good for budding manufacturing countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, and India. This could well be the moment western companies decide to walk out on China. As it is they're pissed off with the IP security record, and the intrusive, dictatorial administration.
 
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Wage hike and its resulting commodity price hike is good for budding manufacturing countries like Vietnam, Malaysia, and India. This could well be the moment western companies decide to walk out on China. As it is they're pissed off with the IP security record, and the intrusive, dictatorial administration.
guy, capitalists love money more than "democracy".

they also hate labour unions more than "dictatorial administrations"
 

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guy, capitalists love money more than "democracy".

they also hate labour unions more than "dictatorial administrations"
Guy, capitalists love their money more than being charitable and helping you support those increased wages.

And guy, capitalists also love their intellectual property more than doing business in a place where it's vulnerable, where the state can't have accountability.
 

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Guy, capitalists love their money more than being charitable and helping you support those increased wages.

And guy, capitalists also love their intellectual property more than doing business in a place where it's vulnerable, where the state can't have accountability.
And guy, capitalists love corrupted "democratic" state which has no sense of responsibility for people living in it. Example, Union Carbide in 1984.
 

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And guy, capitalists love corrupted "democratic" state which has no sense of responsibility for people living in it. Example, Union Carbide in 1984.
They do, and that's bad news for China.
 

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Yes. They, Union Carbide & alikes, do love corrupted "democratic" states. Good news for India.
Indeed, because weighing India and China, they get to pay lower wages for skilled labour (thanks to this wage-bump in China), have low disaster liability (not that it's any better in China), and have much better intellectual property security than in China. So it's a worse news for China than being good news for India.
 

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Indeed, because weighing India and China, they get to pay lower wages for skilled labour (thanks to this wage-bump in China), have low disaster liability (not that it's any better in China), and have much better intellectual property security than in China. So it's a worse news for China than being good news for India.
Lower wages for Indians, that's for sure. But literacy & skills? Mmmmm....
Lower disaster liability for Indians, quite obvious as seen in Bhopal 1984. But IP protection? Mmmmm....

China has to follow E Asian pattern of development, walked the path that HK/Taiwan/Japan/SK/Singapore had been thru. So whether it is good news, bad news or "worse news (!?)", no choice.
 

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if lower wage could decide where world manufacturing-hub is ,then black Afrcia would have been world workshops for long time..........black africa has had lowest wage in the world for hundreds of years.
 

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Lower wages for Indians, that's for sure. But literacy & skills? Mmmmm....
Lower disaster liability for Indians, quite obvious as seen in Bhopal 1984. But IP protection? Mmmmm.....

China has to follow E Asian pattern of development, walked the path that HK/Taiwan/Japan/SK/Singapore had been thru. So whether it is good news, bad news or "worse news (!?)", no choice.
Yes, literacy and skills. Better command over English, and ability to do high-end manufacturing. And better IP protection. Indian companies, such as in the automobile sector, like to buy licenses if they can't innovate, but they don't steal.

And you will note how for each of those East-Asian countries, western companies moved out manufacturing once labour became expensive, and when local companies were able to innovate. If these companies move out of China now (when local companies have poor footprint outside China, and can barely draw circles without imitating some western product (infringing its IP without buying applicable licenses and patents), and where heightened wages are eating into their profitability, it means bad-news for China.
 

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if lower wage could decide where world manufacturing-hub is ,then black Afrcia would have been world workshops for long time..........black africa has had lowest wage in the world for hundreds of years.
This is because Africa is running riot with Civil Wars, piracy, and host of other reasons. Unlike China, even Africa has democratic governments or say democratic warlords.
 

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if lower wage could decide where world manufacturing-hub is ,then black Afrcia would have been world workshops for long time..........black africa has had lowest wage in the world for hundreds of years.
That logic is flawed. Those countries lacked infrastructure for bulk manufacturing, and continue to lack them. Whereas Vietnam, Malaysia and India don't. As Michael Dell said in his statement, it is viable for him to move operations from China to another country in the vicinity of China in the present atmosphere.
 

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Yes, literacy and skills. Better command over English, and ability to do high-end manufacturing. And better IP protection. Indian companies, such as in the automobile sector, like to buy licenses if they can't innovate, but they don't steal.
And you will note how for each of those East-Asian countries, western companies moved out manufacturing once labour became expensive, and when local companies were able to innovate. If these companies move out of China now (when local companies have poor footprint outside China, and can barely draw circles without imitating some western product (infringing its IP without buying applicable licenses and patents), and where heightened wages are eating into their profitability, it means bad-news for China.
Literacy? You mean India's 66% vs China's 93.3%. Yes, I see now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India

Better command of English. Sure, that's why Brits make better auto than Germans, Americans make better digital camera than Japanese, Philippino make better mibile phones than Korean. English is critical ...

IPR? You mean http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_05_01_IPR_Protection_India_on_US_Watch_List.html ?

Innovation? You mean http://business.rediff.com/report/2010/feb/09/china-fifth-in-un-patent-filings-india-way-behind.htm ?

Lower wages for Indians, that's for sure. Enjoy that, good news!
 

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Literacy? You mean India's 66% vs China's 93.3%. Yes, I see now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literacy_in_India

Better command of English. Sure, that's why Brits make better auto than Germans, Americans make better digital camera than Japanese, Philippino make better mibile phones than Korean. English is critical ...

IPR? You mean http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_05_01_IPR_Protection_India_on_US_Watch_List.html ?

Innovation? You mean http://business.rediff.com/report/2010/feb/09/china-fifth-in-un-patent-filings-india-way-behind.htm ?

Lower wages for Indians, that's for sure. Enjoy that, good news!
Those literacy figures from China translate to nothing on the world stage. Indians educated in India make doctors, scientists, engineers, and architects in western countries, and are the wealthiest ethnic groups in countries including the US. All Chinese do in the US and EU is sell Chinese food or work in sweat-shops.

Command over English helps with training, not that English speaking countries are better. China doesn't make better cars than Britts, better cameras than Americans, or better mobile phones than Filipinos.

Nobody talks about a "Russian copy" or "Indian copy". China would copy even the design of pins.

Western companies will enjoy pulling out of China and paying lower wages in India. Good news indeed.
 
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On the earth, there doen't exist another country which has third world level income and first world level infrastructure.
Third world wages will not hold in China for a longer time. Major chunk, if not all, of manufacturing will move to other countries which will eventually develop enough infrastructure to sustain the manufacturing.
 
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