BrahMos Cruise Missile

[LETHALFORCE]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

Too much emphasis on one platform. We need to diversify to other platforms
Russians have never given tot for the engines and reportedly for the codes.
Brahmos is a good platform but it would be better if a completely indigenous
Platform was developed.

 

[arnabmit]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

One slide in a DRDO presentation in 2009, after that "all quiet on the western front"

We need Nirbhay inducted ASAP and the LFRJ-LRCM very soon.

Brahmos is effective against Pak, but against China it is of no use. All Brahmos batteries would be taken out by Chinese CJ-10 which would be fired from beyond reach of any of our CMs.

Too much emphasis on one platform. We need to diversify to other platforms
Russians have never given tot for the engines and reportedly for the codes.
Brahmos is a good platform but it would be better if a completely indigenous
Platform was developed.

 

[drkrn]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

One slide in a DRDO presentation in 2009, after that "all quiet on the western front"

We need Nirbhay inducted ASAP and the LFRJ-LRCM very soon.

Brahmos is effective against Pak, but against China it is of no use. All Brahmos batteries would be taken out by Chinese CJ-10 which would be fired from beyond reach of any of our CMs.

brahmos regiments are highly mobile.how come they target such ones?can they change course mid course?

 

[arnabmit]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

CJ-10 flies at mach 2.5

That is speed of approx 3000kmph with a range of 3000km with integrated inertial navigation system, GPS, terrain contour mapping system, and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system and CEP of 10 meters.

If launched from 500km away, how far do you think the Brahmos regiments can move out in 10min, considering the launch has to be detected, threat analysed, then move order given, then the actual movement undertaken?

And then what about the land attack variant of the YJ-12 with 500km range and mach 6 speed? How far can a Brahmos regiment move in under 4min of launch?

As far as China is concerned, Brahmos is obsolete. We need the Nirbhay immediately and the LFRJ-LRCM as soon as possible.

brahmos regiments are highly mobile.how come they target such ones?can they change course mid course?

 

[p2prada]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

Too much emphasis on one platform. We need to diversify to other platforms
Russians have never given tot for the engines and reportedly for the codes.
Brahmos is a good platform but it would be better if a completely indigenous
Platform was developed.

The Russians gave ToT for the engines and the codes a long time ago.

We are already manufacturing the engines in two facilities. One is BATL and the other is yet unknown, but it is a private company.

 

[drkrn]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

CJ-10 flies at mach 2.5

That is speed of approx 3000kmph with a range of 3000km with integrated inertial navigation system, GPS, terrain contour mapping system, and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system and CEP of 10 meters.

If launched from 500km away, how far do you think the Brahmos regiments can move out in 10min, considering the launch has to be detected, threat analysed, then move order given, then the actual movement undertaken?

And then what about the land attack variant of the YJ-12 with 500km range and mach 6 speed? How far can a Brahmos regiment move in under 4min of launch?

As far as China is concerned, Brahmos is obsolete. We need the Nirbhay immediately and the LFRJ-LRCM as soon as possible.

at first they have to identify brahmos regiments.accepted solution-satellite imagery.

now how many square kms can this missile destruct at full ,max?come on in 10 mins a person can easily travel 1 km,a mobile unit can do far better.
wrt mach 6 missile,no answer,very less time to react

we have to take them down first using aerial strikes.

 

[arnabmit]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

You are forgetting that China has lots of Military satellites with SAR. A capability we have only started to build.

Moving 1Km in 10min is OK only if you are already ready to move with engines running, and are just waiting to pop the clutch to start moving. Not when first the launch has to be detected, threat analysed, then move order given, then the actual movement undertaken

at first they have to identify brahmos regiments.accepted solution-satellite imagery.

now how many square kms can this missile destruct at full ,max?come on in 10 mins a person can easily travel 1 km,a mobile unit can do far better.
wrt mach 6 missile,no answer,very less time to react

we have to take them down first using aerial strikes.

 

[drkrn]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

You are forgetting that China has lots of Military satellites with SAR. A capability we have only started to build.

Moving 1Km in 10min is OK only if you are already ready to move with engines running, and are just waiting to pop the clutch to start moving. Not when first the launch has to be detected, threat analysed, then move order given, then the actual movement undertaken

thats how modern warfare works.network centric command and control to each and every corner.
how many satellites do china possess

 

[arnabmit]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

You will find many like these from google: China "secretly" launch three satellites via Long March 4C | NASASpaceFlight.com or China Successfully Launches New Military Spy Satellite | China Space Program | Space.com

thats how modern warfare works.network centric command and control to each and every corner.
how many satellites do china possess

Ask @Kunal Biswas or @Decklander or @Ray how much time is allotted for an evac order to be executed.

 

[shiphone]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

some simple correction which might be OT...sorry about that...
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CJ-10 flies at mach 2.5

That is speed of approx 3000kmph with a range of 3000km with integrated inertial navigation system, GPS, terrain contour mapping system, and digital scene-matching terminal-homing system and CEP of 10 meters.

CJ10 is a typical Sub sonic Long range cruise missile...
the speed is beteen 0.7-0.8 Mach with a range :1500-2500KMs. the CEP is obviously less than '10 meters' as you claimed..but this ALGM is more suitable to fixed target than the mobile ones...

CJ10K－this is the air launched version carried by H6K(6 missiles max) ,H6M(4 max) Bombers in PLAAF service. but this is not for QuickStrike mission either.

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And then what about the land attack variant of the YJ-12 with 500km range and mach 6 speed? How far can a Brahmos regiment move in under 4min of launch?

I'm afraid YJ12 is a navy project and an Air Lauched AshM only...its size is between X31 and X41 ...so some specs like around 2.5 tons with a range of 250KM @ Mach 2.5 is more creditable...we would see this on JH7B ,J15 and H6G in PLA Navy aviation, as I know ,we won't see any Land Attact version.

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Normally such high valued and remote target as hostile Ground-to-ground missile Launchers would be arranged to PLA second Artillary units...so you'd better bring the DF serials into your consideration like DF11(300Km) , DF15(600KM) ,DF16...they have a much high speed around 6-7 Machs.

 

[arnabmit]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

CJ10 is a typical Sub sonic Long range cruise missile...
the speed is beteen 0.7-0.8 Mach with a range :1500-2500KMs. the CEP is obviously less than '10 meters' as you claimed..but this ALGM is more suitable to fixed target than the mobile ones...

AFAIK, DH-10 is subsonic... CJ-10, which evolved from DH-10 is supersonic at Mach 2.5

I'm afraid YJ12 is a navy project and an Air Lauched AshM only...its size is between X31 and X41 ...so some specs like around 2.5 tons with a range of 250KM @ Mach 2.5 is more creditable...we would see this on JH7B ,J15 and H6G in PLA Navy aviation, as I know ,we won't see any Land Attact version.

Isn't YJ-91 that achieves Mach 2.5? AFAIK, YJ-12 is hypersonic. Making a AShM into a Land Attack missile is just a seeker change away.

Normally such high valued and remote target as hostile Ground-to-ground missile Launchers would be arranged to PLA second Artillary units...so you'd better bring the DF serials into your consideration like DF11(300Km) , DF15(600KM) ,DF16...they have a much high speed around 6-7 Machs.

DF series of missiles are ballistic missile. We are talking about Cruise Missiles here.

 

[Neil]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

Fully indigenous BrahMos missile to be rolled out in three years

KOCHI: A fully indigenous BrahMos missile will be rolled out in three years, according to A Sivthanu Pillai, CMD of the Indo-Russian joint venture company.

"We currently use fully indigenous steel for the missile. Now we are trying to undertake the integration part also at BrahMos," Pillai told reporters here.

"Efforts to make the missile engine at BrahMos will also be realized in three years. However, the explosive components of the missiles will be sourced from outside as we cannot handle explosives in our unit," he said.

Pillai said negotiations are on with the state government on the price of the land to be acquired for expanding the BrahMos unit in Thiruvananthapuram.

Earlier, addressing the inaugural session at NAMEXPO, Pillai suggested that India set up a military-industry complex which would facilitate the efforts of the country's industry to tap the huge emerging potential in the defence sector.

According to him, as per government policy, many of the international purchases have 30% to 50% offset-obligations. This meant the Indian industry should be allowed to make 30% to 50% of the equipment to be imported, through coproduction, sub-contracting, transfer of technology and other similar modes.

Considering that the Indian defence sector is set to become a $150-billion enterprise in 20 years, huge opportunities lie before the country's industry, Pillai said.

Southern Naval Command chief Vice Admiral Satish Soni, said the importance of strengthening the indigenization efforts is obvious from the steps taken by the government to amend the defence purchase policy.

Soni said that if defence corporates want to be global competitors, they must be ready to invest in research and development.

Ports minister K Babu inaugurated the Namexpo, which is being organized by the Confederation of Indian Industry in collaboration with the Indian Navy, the ministries of shipping and earth sciences and the Kerala government.


:: Bharat-Rakshak.com - Indian Military News Headlines ::

 

[Neil]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

Sub-launched version of BrahMos rocket ready for installing


KOCHI (Indias), September 26 (Itar-Tass) - A submarine-launched version of a supersonic cruise rocket BrahMos, which is co-produced by Russia and India is ready for installation on submarines, and, as soon as the government of India makes a respective decision, will be phased into service, Sivathanu Pillai, CEO and Managing Director of the BrahMos Aerospace Company, told Itar-Tass on Thursday. The Company develops and produces these rockets.
A successful launch of a BrahMos rocket from an underwater test bench was carried out in March this year. The launch was effected from an underwater vertically positioned container which imitated an airtight compartment of submarine. After rocket's liftoff from water by means of a solid-propellant rocket motor and its separation, the rocket's ramjet engine was activated and the rocket went to a supersonic aerocruise mode and made the programmed flight along a pre-calculated flight path, 290 km long. The rocket's flight was monitored by telemetric tracing stations which include the radars of combatant ships of the Indian Navy distributed along the rocket's flight path.
"The successful test of the BrahMos rocket demonstrated possibilities for the launch of the rocket from an underwater platform. The rocket is ready for installation on submarines. No additional tests are required," Dr. Pillai pointed out.
BrahMos rockets are expected to be installed on six non-atomic submarines of Design 751, a tender for the supply of which will be announced in India soon. Russia will also participate in the prospective tender with submarines of "Amur-1650" Design and, according to Andrei Baranov, General Director of the Central Marine Technology Design Bureau Rubin, in case of win, will be able to turn over a type ship to New Delhi five years from the moment an appropriate contract is concluded. This may refer to a 2019-2020 period.
"Our team closely cooperates with the army so that the submarine-launched rocket could be phased into service even earlier than planned," Dr. Pillai added.
The Russo-Indian joint-venture enterprise BrahMos was established in 1998 and got its name in honour of the rivers Brahmaputra and Moskva. The Company is the technological partner of India's first naval and shipbuilding exhibition NAMEXPO-2013 held in the city of Kochi in the southern state of Kerala these days.


ITAR-TASS : Sub-launched version of BrahMos rocket ready for installing

 

[Neil]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

double posting...

 

[sayareakd]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

No additional tests required for Brahmos SL version because it got tech from K15.
K15 already tested for 10 times and in production, therefore he is confident of SL VERSION.

 

[t_co]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

No additional tests required for Brahmos SL version because it got tech from K15.
K15 already tested for 10 times and in production, therefore he is confident of SL VERSION.

Does the Brahmos require target data input prior to launch? If so, the K15's testing might be insufficient for the SL Brahmos, since they'd have to figure a way to sync the SL Brahmos with the Tu-142 AEW&C platform.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

re: New BrahMos Cruise Missile: Range 500kms

Nirbhay might be a better option for sub launch longer range, Brahmos might be better for warships.


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[SajeevJino]

Re: BrahMos missile cant be intercepted in next 20 years

Russia and India extend BrahMos supersonic cruise missile partnership​

India has signed a new contract with Russia that settles the cooperation regarding the BrahMos missile.

With the agreement signed in 1998, New Delhi and Moscow had initially agreed for a 15-year partnership, then extended up to February 2014 earlier this year.

With this new contract, the two countries will continue to work on project as long as needed.

Brahmos is an air-to-surface supersonic cruise missile able to achieve a top speed of Mach 2.8. The missile is to be a standard armament of the navy vessels and ground forces, and a submarine variant and aircraft variant are also being developed, with the latter being pitched for Su-30MKI fighters.

Comparable to an American JASSM, BrahMos is 3 tons in weight with a 300 kg warhead. Indian Flankers will only be able to carry a single missile.

Guidance system is inertial in the first stages of flight; later the precision is ensured by a radar or GPS/GLONASS guidance.

Range is about 300 km.

Testing is to begin next year.

A BrahMos-M miniaturized version is also being developed, and it is planned to enter service in 2017 at the earliest. The mini version is expected to weigh 1,500 kg and a Su-30 should be able to carry 2-3 of them.

The weapon is also to be integrated with the MiG-29s and Rafales.

The Aviationist » Russia and India extend BrahMos supersonic cruise missile partnership

 

[no smoking]

Re: BrahMos missile cant be intercepted in next 20 years

Has Russia forces equiped with this missile?

 

[Armand2REP]

Re: BrahMos missile cant be intercepted in next 20 years

How can they say it won't be intercepted in 20 years when Aster can already do it?