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Cannot understand what you're saying!!!


What is the basis of your claim that Brahmos won't be able to maintain Mach 3 for extended range??
What do you think the scientists will be doing for the next couple of years? If not re-designing and optimizing parts of the missile!
To suggest that even 30% improvement cannot be attained after 30 years of breakthroughs/improvements in science & engineering ( since Brahmos original propulsion was designed) is quite unreasonable!!

Did you even know that the Brahmos is being redesigned to have a composite casing???
800km is a bit of a stretch. Even if Brahmos flies high, the height will not be higher than 1km to get rid of air resistance. Composites only work for the casing and not things like motor, booster etc as they require special metal capable of withstanding high heat. Also, the density difference between composite and Aluminum is 1.8g/cm3 vs 2.7g/cm3 - 33% reducton. considering that the casing is not too heavy, the reduction will be minimal.

With high drag, 800km at 3Mach will be difficult unless length and weight of brahmos is increased to carry more fuel
 

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800km is a bit of a stretch. Even if Brahmos flies high, the height will not be higher than 1km to get rid of air resistance. Composites only work for the casing and not things like motor, booster etc as they require special metal capable of withstanding high heat. Also, the density difference between composite and Aluminum is 1.8g/cm3 vs 2.7g/cm3 - 33% reducton. considering that the casing is not too heavy, the reduction will be minimal.

With high drag, 800km at 3Mach will be difficult unless length and weight of brahmos is increased to carry more fuel
Where did I say that motor etc will be made out of composites?? Another instance of you making assumptions just so you get a chance to type some nonsense -because you cannot just read something and stay quiet!!!

As usual you displayed your lack of fundamental knowledge in science & inability to use logic! It's just not density that plays a role,but also the strength of the material itself!! You think the volume of Aluminium will be replaced with same of volume of composite? (2.7 gms of Aluminum replaced with 1.8 gms of composite)???
Composites are way stronger than aluminum, as such the weight reduction of the replacement (due to lower volume AND lower density) would be more than 50%!!!
Also, those who are experts in material science and propulsion are working on the problem. junior school science geniuses can stay out of it!!!
 

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800km is a bit of a stretch. Even if Brahmos flies high, the height will not be higher than 1km to get rid of air resistance. Composites only work for the casing and not things like motor, booster etc as they require special metal capable of withstanding high heat. Also, the density difference between composite and Aluminum is 1.8g/cm3 vs 2.7g/cm3 - 33% reducton. considering that the casing is not too heavy, the reduction will be minimal.

With high drag, 800km at 3Mach will be difficult unless length and weight of brahmos is increased to carry more fuel
I think that its key lies in fuel. They may be developing high energy fuel many be with CL20. They may change engine and make the missile more aerodynamic. Speed shall also go high in this case. My 2 paisa.
 

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My source is I myself who has interacted with users.

Now when you talked about Yakhont or P-800 on which BRAHMOS is based upon, could you or anyone here would clarify few points?

Oniks weigh at 3 ton same that of Brahmos. The RAMJET produces a thrust of 4 ton in Oniks and lets assume that similar amount of thrust is there in case of Brahmos. But at that thrust Oniks travels at a max speed of 2.5 Mach, that too not during the whole flight time. But at similar mass and assumed thrust Brahmos travels at 2.8 Mach that too during the whole flight time which is its USP. Now how could that be possible?

One simple answer could be that the engine of both the missiles are different. Brahmos is having a higher thrust RAMJET engine. But in that case it is going to consume more fuel which means its range would be less then that of Oniks. For that we do need new fuel, but it is a known fact that Russia has provided us the same kerosene fuel used in Oniks.

I have a lot of respect for your family member and in no way I think myself to be feasible enough to contradict him. But my simple question is, India never tested BRAHMOS for more then 300 km before MTCR, so it is definitely something to look for. And after that too only once its been tested. So when we are saying that it is capable to breach 450 km mark, are we simply taking Russia by their words in this? In everything else we do complain about their two timings.
Do u remember one Brahmos test from Andaman & Nicobar islands chain to another island which was much more than 700 km.. when it came in media army immediately denied any test, but on the same day in evening they said test was not successful. Why they did this mess no-one knows.
 

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Do u remember one Brahmos test from Andaman & Nicobar islands chain to another island which was much more than 700 km.. when it came in media army immediately denied any test, but on the same day in evening they said test was not successful. Why they did this mess no-one knows.
I don't remember anything like that. BTW here is one snapshot of Anadaman and Nicobar island group.

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As you cou;d see the total length is that of 324 km, I am not sure from where to where this 700 km test took place. Yes distance between Subhasgram and Banda Azec is more then 700km.

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But I am sure that India didn't test Brahmos in that direction.
 

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I don't remember anything like that. BTW here is one snapshot of Anadaman and Nicobar island group.

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As you cou;d see the total length is that of 324 km, I am not sure from where to where this 700 km test took place. Yes distance between Subhasgram and Banda Azec is more then 700km.

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But I am sure that India didn't test Brahmos in that direction.
Test was from car Nicobar to trak island. First it was successful, in afternoon test was denied,later it was unsuccessfull. 9th April 2015 was the date. Not much I got as at that time also news came and disappeared.
 

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https://defencelover.in/brahmos-to-dominate-indian-ocean-region-and-indo-pacific

BrahMos Aerospace Limited was launched as a 50-50 joint venture between India and Russia in 2001. Initially, Russians supplied nearly 60% of the components including the most important ones like the engine and the guidance system. However, the Project had been established with a definite aim. Over the years, we slowly and steadily began developing indigenous components though there were some opposition from the Russians.

The missile had the initial range capped at 290km in spite of having the capability to achieve longer ranges. This was due to the fact that Russians were the member of MTCR and India was not. Russians did not want to be branded as violators of an agreement made with the member countries. It was an open secret that MTCR itself was made to thwart the determination of our Iron Lady Mrs Indira Gandhi to make India self-sufficient in missile technology through IGMDP. Abdul Kalam enabled India to achieve complete success.

With success of PRITHVI, AGNI, AKASH and others finally MTCR had no choice left but to request India to join the very club. After joining the club the range of BRAHMOS was at once proclaimed as 400 km, its true range even at that time. It goes without saying that even earlier had a need arisen to fir BRAHMOS in anger at a range beyond 290 km, then it would have been done ignoring MTCR.

Recently India tested Brahmos supersonic cruise missile with an Indian-made seeker achieving better performance than before. With a speed of three times that of sound or roughly 3300 km per hour and now pinpoint accuracy at 400km, this missile will become a game changer.
The kinetic energy generated at impact itself can critically damage ships Destroyers and Frigates. Combined with the explosive content of the missile’s warhead it has the potential of even damaging an aircraft carrier. Imagine four to six SU MKI firing simultaneously one BRAHMOS each, at an aircraft carrier.

India is already nearing completion of the next version of BRAHMOS with a range of 900 km. We are also working on a miniature version of the missile to enable our Sukhois to carry two to four of these deadly missiles.

With the Sukhois having a combat radius of around 1300km and maximum range of 3000km (hi-hi) plus 900km of missile, we will have the capability to interdict anything within the Indian Ocean Region and deep into Indo Pacific also. Combine this with aerial refuelling at strategic points and we get the capability to strike half way round the globe. Plainly speaking the Chinese Navy will have to watch out even when their ships are berthed in their Naval bases.

BrahMos Missiles and its variants have been in production for now nearly two decades. Work is on for developing a hypersonic missile with speed of 8 to 10 Mach. we also need to standardize the ground, naval, air and miniaturized versions of this missile and go for the required numbers for each service with adequate reserves for a short intense two-front war. There is also a need to export a few versions of this missile to selected friendly countries…..now we too are members if MTCR!!:brahmos::brahmos::india:
 

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https://defencelover.in/brahmos-to-dominate-indian-ocean-region-and-indo-pacific

BrahMos Aerospace Limited was launched as a 50-50 joint venture between India and Russia in 2001. Initially, Russians supplied nearly 60% of the components including the most important ones like the engine and the guidance system. However, the Project had been established with a definite aim. Over the years, we slowly and steadily began developing indigenous components though there were some opposition from the Russians.

The missile had the initial range capped at 290km in spite of having the capability to achieve longer ranges. This was due to the fact that Russians were the member of MTCR and India was not. Russians did not want to be branded as violators of an agreement made with the member countries. It was an open secret that MTCR itself was made to thwart the determination of our Iron Lady Mrs Indira Gandhi to make India self-sufficient in missile technology through IGMDP. Abdul Kalam enabled India to achieve complete success.

With success of PRITHVI, AGNI, AKASH and others finally MTCR had no choice left but to request India to join the very club. After joining the club the range of BRAHMOS was at once proclaimed as 400 km, its true range even at that time. It goes without saying that even earlier had a need arisen to fir BRAHMOS in anger at a range beyond 290 km, then it would have been done ignoring MTCR.

Recently India tested Brahmos supersonic cruise missile with an Indian-made seeker achieving better performance than before. With a speed of three times that of sound or roughly 3300 km per hour and now pinpoint accuracy at 400km, this missile will become a game changer.
The kinetic energy generated at impact itself can critically damage ships Destroyers and Frigates. Combined with the explosive content of the missile’s warhead it has the potential of even damaging an aircraft carrier. Imagine four to six SU MKI firing simultaneously one BRAHMOS each, at an aircraft carrier.

India is already nearing completion of the next version of BRAHMOS with a range of 900 km. We are also working on a miniature version of the missile to enable our Sukhois to carry two to four of these deadly missiles.

With the Sukhois having a combat radius of around 1300km and maximum range of 3000km (hi-hi) plus 900km of missile, we will have the capability to interdict anything within the Indian Ocean Region and deep into Indo Pacific also. Combine this with aerial refuelling at strategic points and we get the capability to strike half way round the globe. Plainly speaking the Chinese Navy will have to watch out even when their ships are berthed in their Naval bases.

BrahMos Missiles and its variants have been in production for now nearly two decades. Work is on for developing a hypersonic missile with speed of 8 to 10 Mach. we also need to standardize the ground, naval, air and miniaturized versions of this missile and go for the required numbers for each service with adequate reserves for a short intense two-front war. There is also a need to export a few versions of this missile to selected friendly countries…..now we too are members if MTCR!!:brahmos::brahmos::india:
:yawn::troll::dude::doh:we all know this repeat post useless....
 

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https://defencelover.in/brahmos-to-dominate-indian-ocean-region-and-indo-pacific

BrahMos Aerospace Limited was launched as a 50-50 joint venture between India and Russia in 2001. Initially, Russians supplied nearly 60% of the components including the most important ones like the engine and the guidance system. However, the Project had been established with a definite aim. Over the years, we slowly and steadily began developing indigenous components though there were some opposition from the Russians.

The missile had the initial range capped at 290km in spite of having the capability to achieve longer ranges. This was due to the fact that Russians were the member of MTCR and India was not. Russians did not want to be branded as violators of an agreement made with the member countries. It was an open secret that MTCR itself was made to thwart the determination of our Iron Lady Mrs Indira Gandhi to make India self-sufficient in missile technology through IGMDP. Abdul Kalam enabled India to achieve complete success.

With success of PRITHVI, AGNI, AKASH and others finally MTCR had no choice left but to request India to join the very club. After joining the club the range of BRAHMOS was at once proclaimed as 400 km, its true range even at that time. It goes without saying that even earlier had a need arisen to fir BRAHMOS in anger at a range beyond 290 km, then it would have been done ignoring MTCR.

Recently India tested Brahmos supersonic cruise missile with an Indian-made seeker achieving better performance than before. With a speed of three times that of sound or roughly 3300 km per hour and now pinpoint accuracy at 400km, this missile will become a game changer.
The kinetic energy generated at impact itself can critically damage ships Destroyers and Frigates. Combined with the explosive content of the missile’s warhead it has the potential of even damaging an aircraft carrier. Imagine four to six SU MKI firing simultaneously one BRAHMOS each, at an aircraft carrier.

India is already nearing completion of the next version of BRAHMOS with a range of 900 km. We are also working on a miniature version of the missile to enable our Sukhois to carry two to four of these deadly missiles.

With the Sukhois having a combat radius of around 1300km and maximum range of 3000km (hi-hi) plus 900km of missile, we will have the capability to interdict anything within the Indian Ocean Region and deep into Indo Pacific also. Combine this with aerial refuelling at strategic points and we get the capability to strike half way round the globe. Plainly speaking the Chinese Navy will have to watch out even when their ships are berthed in their Naval bases.

BrahMos Missiles and its variants have been in production for now nearly two decades. Work is on for developing a hypersonic missile with speed of 8 to 10 Mach. we also need to standardize the ground, naval, air and miniaturized versions of this missile and go for the required numbers for each service with adequate reserves for a short intense two-front war. There is also a need to export a few versions of this missile to selected friendly countries…..now we too are members if MTCR!!:brahmos::brahmos::india:
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L&T inaugurates new production line for BrahMos TLC


RANOLI, VADODARA: L&T Defence, the defence arm of engineering, technology and construction major Larsen & Toubro (L&T), on Saturday announced the inauguration of a new production line for BRAHMOS Transport Launch Canister (TLC) at Ranoli, near Vadodara to cater to the serial production requirements of BRAHMOS Supersonic Cruise Missile System.

Dr. Sudhir K Mishra, DS & Director General (BrahMos) and CEO & MD, BrahMos Aerospace inaugurated the second production line in the state of Gujarat to manufacture canisters designed for storage, transportation and launch of BRAHMOS missiles. The canister for a missile serves a dual function that provides a container for storage cum transport and launch.

BRAHMOS Missile System, which was successfully test-fired recently, is integrated with L&T manufactured Composite Airframes and two different versions of Transport Launch Canister (TLC). L&T Defence has successfully completed the realisation of the Composite Airframes for the BRAHMOS Missile.

Speaking on the occasion, Mishra, D said that the highly successful BRAHMOS Missile Programme has taken a remarkable lead under the flagship ‘Make In India’ initiative of our Government. “Today, BrahMos has created a robust ecosystem of indigenous defence manufacturing and integration, thus reinforcing and realising the long-cherished dream of self-reliance in this critical sector and the immense contribution of each of our defence industry partner in this direction is highly commendable,” he added.

“We have been associated with the development of BRAHMOS Missile Programme for close to two decades. Our journey started under the guidance of DRDO to develop indigenous capabilities and facilities for realization of composite airframes, canisters and allied sub-systems for BRAHMOS Missile. Our products have successfully passed applicable qualification tests, and L&T has already started delivering these articles under serial production mode,” L&T Sr. Executive Vice-President – Defence Business Jayant Patil said.

The versatile, multi-role, multi-platform BRAHMOS has been integrated with L&T-manufactured Composite Airframes and two different versions of Transport Launch Canister (TLC). L&T Defence has successfully completed the realisation of Composite Airframes for the tactical missile.

The Advanced Composites Manufacturing Facility of L&T Defence at Ranoli, Vadodara, is geared up for serial production of BRAHMOS TLC.

L&T Defence is augmenting the infrastructure at its Precision Manufacturing & Systems Complex Coimbatore by adding a Composites Facility, which will also cater to the serial production requirements of BRAHMOS Missile Programme. L&T Defence has also been closely involved in the design, development and production of Launchers and Fire Control Systems for the BRAHMOS Naval platforms.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...line-for-brahmos-tlc/articleshow/64896253.cms
 

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Advanced Brahmos missile to hit enemy hidden in bunkers behind mountains

The official from BrahMos Aerospace said that the missile will climb to about 14 kilometres before taking a steep dive. The agency is also developing a lighter version of the missile.
In order to target enemy bunkers hidden behind mountain ranges, an advanced version of the supersonic BrahMos missile is being developed that will have a “near vertical trajectory,” said Dr Sudhir K Mishra, CEO & MD, BrahMos Aerospace on Saturday. The new capability will be tested in 2019.
“Early we used to go for a simple trajectory or a cruise trajectory against a ship. We said, why not make it a vertical dive trajectory and we came out with a vertical dive. Now we are working for a near vertical trajectory that would be very effective against the enemy hidden behind mountains. Not only hidden, but hidden in bunkers behind the mountains,” Mishra said while speaking on the sidelines of a function organised by L&T Defence at Ranoli in Gujarat.
“Two years ago, we conducted a 65-degree steep dive for the missile. We have partly demonstrated the capability and such systems are already getting inducted into the Indian Armed forces. They are already under delivery. What I am talking about is a near vertical dive capability of 90 degrees, which will be able to engage various kinds of targets. This capability we will be testing sometime next year,” he added.
The official from BrahMos Aerospace said that the missile will climb to about 14 kilometres before taking a steep dive. The agency is also developing a lighter version of the missile. “We have conducted a flight test of the air version from Sukhoi aircraft… We are working on a drawing board a smaller BrahMos which can be used by LCA or by other aircraft. There is no firm design or order now, but it will be a completely new weapon system and it will take few years to develop,” he added.
BrahMos currently has a range of 300 kilometres and it has been tested for a range of about 415 kilometres. Talking about the indigenisation of the BrahMos missile, Mishra said that about 72 per cent of the missile has been indigenised and the accuracy of the missile has improved from 30-meter to sub-meter accuracy. The Army has inducted three BrahMos regiments, while a dozen ships of Indian Navy are armed with this missile. The IAF has also inducted the land version of the missile, while the air version is expected to be inducted by November this year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...y-hidden-in-bunkers-behind-mountains-5249987/


Fuck i used to think that it has the caliber to do this in the current system.
 

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Advanced Brahmos missile to hit enemy hidden in bunkers behind mountains

The official from BrahMos Aerospace said that the missile will climb to about 14 kilometres before taking a steep dive. The agency is also developing a lighter version of the missile.
In order to target enemy bunkers hidden behind mountain ranges, an advanced version of the supersonic BrahMos missile is being developed that will have a “near vertical trajectory,” said Dr Sudhir K Mishra, CEO & MD, BrahMos Aerospace on Saturday. The new capability will be tested in 2019.
“Early we used to go for a simple trajectory or a cruise trajectory against a ship. We said, why not make it a vertical dive trajectory and we came out with a vertical dive. Now we are working for a near vertical trajectory that would be very effective against the enemy hidden behind mountains. Not only hidden, but hidden in bunkers behind the mountains,” Mishra said while speaking on the sidelines of a function organised by L&T Defence at Ranoli in Gujarat.
“Two years ago, we conducted a 65-degree steep dive for the missile. We have partly demonstrated the capability and such systems are already getting inducted into the Indian Armed forces. They are already under delivery. What I am talking about is a near vertical dive capability of 90 degrees, which will be able to engage various kinds of targets. This capability we will be testing sometime next year,” he added.
The official from BrahMos Aerospace said that the missile will climb to about 14 kilometres before taking a steep dive. The agency is also developing a lighter version of the missile. “We have conducted a flight test of the air version from Sukhoi aircraft… We are working on a drawing board a smaller BrahMos which can be used by LCA or by other aircraft. There is no firm design or order now, but it will be a completely new weapon system and it will take few years to develop,” he added.
BrahMos currently has a range of 300 kilometres and it has been tested for a range of about 415 kilometres. Talking about the indigenisation of the BrahMos missile, Mishra said that about 72 per cent of the missile has been indigenised and the accuracy of the missile has improved from 30-meter to sub-meter accuracy. The Army has inducted three BrahMos regiments, while a dozen ships of Indian Navy are armed with this missile. The IAF has also inducted the land version of the missile, while the air version is expected to be inducted by November this year.

https://indianexpress.com/article/i...y-hidden-in-bunkers-behind-mountains-5249987/


Fuck i used to think that it has the caliber to do this in the current system.
I think it's misquoted. Most tests were conducted at 450kms range (not 415 as stated in this article)
 

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When I said the same, most of the members here were bouncing on me for that.
Don't know what you're saying here....but surely IndianExpress and TimesOfIndia are quoting Sudhir Mishra differently.

Times is saying that a the range of newer & lighter (NG) version of Brahmos (that's on drawing board) could be increased from 300kms to 415kms. This version of the statement sounds more logical than what IndianExpress is quoting! Brahmos/SudhirMishra is already of record for stating (last year itself) that several tests have already been conducted for ranges beyond 450kms ! & that a project is currently underway to increase the range to 800kms (in two years from the time of statement!).
"415kms" is an obviously an odd number that's appeared in reports for the first time!
 
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Don't know what you're saying here....but surely IndianExpress and TimesOfIndia are quoting Sudhir Mishra differently.

Times is saying that a the range of newer & lighter (NG) version of Brahmos (that's on drawing board) could be increased from 300kms to 415kms. This version of the statement sounds more logical than what IndianExpress is quoting! Brahmos/SudhirMishra is already of record for stating (last year itself) that several tests have already been conducted for ranges beyond 450kms ! & that a project is currently underway to increase the range to 800kms (in two years from the time of statement!).
"415kms" is an obviously an odd number that's appeared in reports for the first time!
All I said that at its current form, BRAHMOS can't cover the alleged 400 or 450 km distance as some members are quoting.

BRAHMOS-ER been tested only once till now.

415 km might be an odd number, but it might also be the exact distance of BRAHMOS-ER test.
 

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