Balasore Train Accident Jun 2023

[rone]

I hope he stays as the sights he will have seen these last few hours will surely haunt him enough to take some serious corrective actions for the betterment of the entire network

he is one of the most competent Minister India has ever had

 

[INDIAFIRST]

There are lots of why in this mishap
In Japanese if 5 why's are not solved it means system can't be made to poka yoka

Come on IR engineers whole world is watching us

And if it's sabotaging

IB and R&AW we need to tight the screws

 

[Blademaster]

Please stop playing into these type of things. It does no one any good.

 

[Flying Dagger]

he is one of the most competent Minister India has ever had

It will be hard to establish but I am very much sure that there was a hand in play behind this.

And that hand in action was Muslim from the surrounding area. They have done this multiple times .

Having said that I still remember incident that happened in 2019 around and the one in Gurugram when a train hit people celebrating Dussehra festival.

We need to make people responsible for their safety too.

 

[Rango]

Pointless to update anymore, but I think Saddam Hussain deserves his own entry. This one seemed like a nice guy. South Asian Muslims really love the name Saddam Hussain.

Odisha train tragedy: Kuttiadi mourns guest worker’s death

KOZHIKODE: The news of the death of Saddam Hussain, 29, a migrant worker who has been working at Kuttiadi town and nearby areas, in the train tragedy in Odisha

www.google.com

One more name added to list of dead:

1) Mayuddin Sheikh.
2) Halim Mollah.
3) Musavir Mullah.

India’s Worst Rail Disaster in Decades Convulses Country Dependent on Trains

The disaster killed at least 288 people, and a preliminary government report described it as a “three-way accident” involving two passenger trains and an idled cargo train. Officials were investigating possible signal failure.

www.nytimes.com

 

[AnantS]

There was some flyover collapse in WB .. Mamta showed up to the site and parked there for a long time .. This converted what was a stain on the WB govt to a positive .. We Indians are an emotional bunch.

Did she stay overnight and overseen the salvage & rescue? Good on for her.

The railway minister is not only monitoring rescue but also ensuring rail traffic resumed at earliest. Having minister ensures you get all help from center and state at earliest without delay.

Let final report come in. Anger is understandable but even both state and center seem to be shaken. Railway minister should resign if his policy directly / indirectly led to incident. He is a very capable minister we got in decades who has been delivering overall good for ministry - which is rare in this country.

 

[Ugra Bhairav]

Did she stay overnight and overseen the salvage & rescue? Good on for her.

The railway minister is not only monitoring rescue but also ensuring rail traffic resumed at earliest. Having minister ensures you get all help from center and state at earliest without delay.

Let final report come in. Anger is understandable but even both state and center seem to be shaken. Railway minister should resign if his policy directly / indirectly led to incident. He is a very capable minister we got in decades who has been delivering overall good for ministry - which is rare in this country.

Why Minister resign ???

Do note the "TRACKS" were change and laid just few years back and were new.

It seems Equipment Failure i.e. Signaling and Switching.

This station has got "Level 3" Interlocking i.e. high standard for Interlocking.

Above this comes "Electronic Interlocking" and now "Root Relay Interlocking".

In Level-3 interlocking the roots are set electrically on a panel by Station Master

Hence if Station Master properly set main line for Coromandal Express and Green Signal Been seen by Loco Pilot to advance on main line ----

Which means Station Master do set the interlocking properly hence "Green Signal" to go ahead to Coromandal Express which was rightly seen by Loco Pilot of the Train.

Now the question what went wrong????????????

It primafacie seems Track Circuiting & Signalling Failure.

Kindly note

1) Before Coromandal Express a Goods Train has arrived and was transferred to "loop line"

2) And the Track was set for Coromandal Express was set to take Main Line.

3) Loco Pilot of saw the "Green Signal" to advance with its normal speed on main line

4) However the Signal was "Green" but, the tracks did not CHANGE & RETURNED to "Main Line" from Loop Line, which were earlier set for Goods Train

5) Coromandal Express instead of proceeding to "Main Line" took "Loop Line"

6) And on this Loop Line, Goods Train was Standing, the Coromandal Express rammed Goods Train from Behind & the collision of so sever that Locomotive of Coromandal Express jumped above carriage of Goods Train.

7) You Just Cannot Change Tracks at "Full Speed" the Train is bound to Derail in such Situation, also take into account the Goods Train Standing on the Same Track.

8) At the same time on another "Main Line" Bangalore-Kolkata Express was Crossing the Station.

9) And at the time of collision the Last 3 Coaches of Banglore-Kolkata Express were hit by derailing Coaches of Coromandal Express. Hence we have "Triple Collision".


Point to be noted :

1) Failure of Switching System

2) Failure of Signalling System

3) Combination of both the above gave Faulty "OutPut" to Interlocking System hence complete "Collapse" of Interlocking System.

How all three failed at the same time ??????????

Reasons:

1) Sabotage : - Can be ruled out. Reason - Someone have to have complete knowhow of "Inter Locking" System to and how to breach it in such a way that you get desired display but the commands given never carried out.
Seems Impossible.

2) System Failure : This seems main Cause. But how multiple individual circuits "Switching"+"Signalling" failed without get noticed by "InterLocking" System.

3) Maintenance Failure : Possible.

4) Equipment Failure : Possible.

5) Human Error : Cannot be Ruled out At this Particular Time, but not likely.

Caution : This puts in question all the "INTER-LOCKING EQUIPMENTS & SYSTEMS" used in INDIAN RAILWAYS at this point of time.

THOROUGH SECURITY AUDIT AND RETESTING OF SYSTEMS USED IN INDIAN RAILWAYS is needed.

At this point of time this Accident has put all TRAINS IN INDIA TO "UNSAFE & HAZARDOUS Level" due to "UNSAFE & QUESTIONABLE" Inter-Locking Systems.

 

[Atavistic]

No matter what y'all say I still believe it's a sabotage. This family at 10 Janpath is more dangerous when it's out of power.

 

[Porkislayer]

 

[Master Chief]

Guilty of negligence ?

 

[Zoid Raptor]

If this angle would've been highlighted in Bipin Rawat's scenario, it'd make us look like a bunch of weaklings exposing our incompetence that we couldn't even protect our CDS

 

[ezsasa]

If this angle would've been highlighted in Bipin Rawat's scenario, it'd make us look like a bunch of weaklings exposing our incompetence that we couldn't even protect our CDS

Let's not forget the history, the country could not protect a sitting PM and a ex-PM that too from a same family, muricans could not protect two sitting presidents, France could not preempt accident of a strategically important person like Total CEO (oil company).

better avoid false binaries, world is much more complex.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Let's not forget the history, the country could not protect a sitting PM and a ex-PM that too from a same family. muricans could not protect two sitting presidents.

better avoid false binaries, world is much more complex.

If rumors are to he believed than another PM Lal bahadur shastri was killed by the KGB.

 

[ezsasa]

If rumors are to he believed than another PM Lal bahadur shastri was killed by the KGB.

since the ambiguity continues, i usually do not include LBS in this list.

 

[Kumata]

I am still trying to wrap myself around calls. For resignation of minister here... Meanwhile this guy cannot speak properly... Knows a shit about trains ops for sure and issues these illogical statements.. Meanwhile the kharge was busy sucking feet's of bar mistress so this guy was send to score the brownie points....

I wish we kaka indulge in mossad style killings... Country will be a better place....

 

[Zoid Raptor]

Let's not forget the history, the country could not protect a sitting PM and a ex-PM that too from a same family, muricans could not protect two sitting presidents, France could not preempt accident of a strategically important person like Total CEO (oil company).

better avoid false binaries, world is much more complex.

I agree that has been the case in the past but you don't see heads of state or military heads of major powers being taken down easily in this day and age. That is definitely not a narrative GoI wants which'll make us look weak even if that's true

 

[amit19]

Its time to create blackbox type system for each train -goods and passenger.
And Cameras can be part of it and Cameras should not be 'handy' from outside.
Cost is not the issue now. Rail infra is very important for next 20 years of economic growth.

 

[ezsasa]

I agree that has been the case in the past but you don't see heads of state or military heads of major powers being taken down easily in this day and age. That is definitely not a narrative GoI wants which'll make us look weak even if that's true

we can take this up some other day in some other thread.

not just GoI any government in the world does not want insecurities among the public, when the threat is public they take care of it publicly, when the threat is not public they handle it out of public sight. it's not like we the public have less things to worry about threats which are already in public eye. and our public is not groomed on how to react like how muricans/chinese did with their public.

 

[Kumata]

 

[GigaChadBharatiya]

No, signaling error

Heard from a high ranked friend....interlocking error from the software