AWACS will change Asia's military dynamics

prahladh

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I think our AWAC can gather better/faster/more info than SAAB even though we can stay for 4.5hrs.
Ain't the AWAC refuellable?
 

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IL-76 are capable of in flight re-fueling....
 

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That rod like thing in the nose is the refueling probe....
 

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Eyrie in detail.

The PAF’s Saab 2000 AEW & C programme got underway in June 2006 when Islamabad finalised the purchase of five platforms. This contract was revised in May 2007 when the PAF decided to acquire only four AEW & C platforms, with the remaining three Saab 2000s being cannibalised for spares. The Saab 2000 is one of the fastest regional turboprop aircraft in existence, being able to cruise at a speed of more than 665kph (360 Knots). It made its maiden flight on March 26, 1992 and entered commercial airline service in 1994, a few months after its certification by the Joint Aviation Authorities in March and the Federal Aviation Administration in April. The Saab 2000’s powerplant comprises twin Rolls-Royce AE-2100 turboprop engines, each driving six-bladed Dowty Rotol propellers. The aircraft’s service ceiling is 31,000 feet, and the cockpit is equipped with a Rockwell Collins Pro Line 4 avionics suite with integrated avionics processor, engine indication and crew alerting system, traffic alert and collision avoidance system, attitude heading and reference system, and a digital air data system. Cabin noise is reduced by an active noise control system comprising 72 microphones and 36 speakers, which generate anti-phase noise. Each of the PAF’s four Saab 2000 AEW & C platforms will be equipped with the FSR-890 Erieye radar built by Ericsson Microwave Systems. The S-band Erieye is a pulse-Doppler active phased-array radar operating within the 2GHz to 4GHz bandwidth. The 8 metre-long, 900kg antenna will be mounted on the upper dorsal spine of the Saab 2000’s fuselage. The radar’s dorsal unit (DU) will include the carbon-fibre radome, antenna array, RF distribution network, and 192 transmit/receive modules that will be cooled by ram-air. Each such module will comprise a power amplifier for the transmitted microwave signal, low-noise amplifiers as front-ends for the receiver channels, and phase shifters for accurate control of the signal phase in both transmit and receive modes. In the latter, amplification of the signal will be controlled as well. The phases and amplitudes will be continuously calibrated. Each T/R module will be connected to one vertical slotted waveguide on each side. An electronic switch in the module will select the side. By feeding the slotted waveguide separately in the upper and lower half, the beam will be shifted in elevation for height measurement. This shifting will be conducted by single-step phase shifters in the front-ends of the modules. A module-control databus will provide control of the modules to achieve instantaneous antenna beam-steering and the very low sidelobes required. A receiver/exciter processor will generate the pulsed microwave signals and send them to the antenna. It will also accept the received signals from the DU and generate both digitised video signals for signals processing as well as data signals for steering the beam. The transmit drive signal will be generated by a frequency synthesizer and will be up-converted and modulated for pulse compression (using polyphase coding), and will be amplified before being sent to the DU. A programmable signal-and-data processor will receive the returned radar signals from the receiver/exciter via optical data links in digitised quadrature video format. The radial velocity of detected airborne targets will be determined from the Doppler frequency via combined signals from the T/R modules. By combining these signals, the processor will modify the effective antenna sidelobe pattern to place nulls in the direction of hostile jammers. The processor will also perform coherent integration by Fast Fourier Transform that will form a Doppler filter bank. This will be followed by pulse compression, constant false alarm rate processing and binary integration. Due to all this, the Erieye’s processor will generate clutter- and interference-free position data for all targets.
The two identical antennae in the DU will comprise a row of vertical slotted waveguides each with two sections that will each contain five slots providing low vertical sidelobes. By shifting the signal phase from the upper and lower parts respectively, two tilted lobes will be provided for measuring target altitudes. By adjusting the gain, a proper sidelobe in azimuth will be obtained. The Erieye will provide 270-degree airspace surveillance coverage and have an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment. The radar’s optimum performance (with very low sidelobes) will be over the 120° azimuthal sectors on each side of the aircraft. In addition, the Erieye will also have a secondary sea surveillance mode. For the RMAF, the Erieye will be configured for detection, tracking and height finding of airborne contacts, automatic track initiation and continuous tracking of up to 300 airborne targets, moving ground target detection and area ground mapping. In a severe EW environment the radar’s adaptive sidelobe cancelling feature will severely diminish the effects of hostile EW jamming. Pulse compression will be resorted to improve range resolution, while frequency agility will be used to avoid the negative effects resulting from hostile jamming. Doppler processing in both low- and medium-pulse repetition frequencies will be the main target detection mode amidst ground clutter, while horizontal antenna polarisation will provide an indication of the altitudes on which the tracked contracts are flying. High instantaneous bandwidth and Doppler resolution will enable the Erieye to undertake target analysis via non-cooperation recognition techniques. For detecting hostile airborne aircraft, two mean antenna scan rates of 12 degrees/second or 3 degrees/second will be used, while a scan rate of 3 degrees/second will be used for detecting terrain-hugging or sea-skimming cruise missiles. Warships will be detected using a low-PRF without Doppler filtering. An adaptive radar control mode will control beam scheduling to share the total available time between search, confirmation od detections, and track updates. The Erieye will also include an IFF transponder.
Inside the AEW & C platform will be five multifunction display/processor consoles that will make up the Central Tactical System (CTS) for providing tactical data management solutions via tactical aids, cues, alerts and bookkeeping functions. The platform will also have a communications suite comprising dual HF and five sets of V/UHF radios for enabling the exchange of tactical data with friendly land, sea and air forces as well as communicating with civilian ATC networks. A Link 16 data link will provide automatic clear or secure communications channels via one of the HF radios and one dedicated UHF transceiver. The data link will be used for relaying information such as tracking cues, contact range, bearing, velocity, altitude and intercept vectors to friendly airborne combat aircraft, while the RMAF’s ground-based Sector Operations Centres (SOC) will be networked with the AEW & C platform via the Erieye Ground Interface Segment (EGIS) that will provide two-way exchange of data between the airborne AEW & C platform and ground-based SOCs.
The Erieye will provide 270-degree airspace surveillance coverage and have an instrumental range of 450km and detection range of 350km in a dense hostile electronic warfare environment. The radar’s optimum performance (with very low sidelobes) will be over the 120° azimuthal sectors on each side of the aircraft. In addition, the Erieye will also have a secondary sea surveillance mode. For the PAF, the Erieye will be configured for detection, tracking and height-finding of airborne contacts, automatic track initiation and continuous tracking of up to 300 airborne targets, moving ground target detection and area ground mapping. Inside the AEW & C platform will be five multifunction display/processor consoles that will make up the Central Tactical System (CTS) for providing tactical data management solutions via tactical aids, cues, alerts and bookkeeping functions. The platform will also have a communications suite comprising dual HF and five sets of V/UHF radios for enabling the exchange of tactical data with friendly land, sea and air forces as well as communicating with civilian ATC networks. A Link 16 data link will provide automatic clear or secure communications channels via one of the HF radios and one dedicated UHF transceiver. The data link will be used for relaying information such as tracking cues, contact range, bearing, velocity, altitude and intercept vectors to friendly airborne combat aircraft, while the PAF’s ground-based Sector Operations Centres (SOC) will be networked with the AEW & C platform via the Erieye Ground Interface Segment (EGIS) that will provide two-way exchange of data between the airborne AEW & C platform and ground-based SOCs. For self-protection, the Saab 2000 AEW & C will have on board the Saab-built CIDAS-300 fully integrated defensive aids suite that will include multi-spectral optronic sensors and a HES-21 ESM suite, designed for the protection of aircraft against infra-red/laser-guided MANPADS). CIDAS-300 will in turn be fully integrated with Saab’s wingtip-mounted BOP-L lightweight chaff/flare countermeasures dispensing system. Designed from the outset as a fully integrated modular system, CIDAS-300 combines radar/laser/infra-red/ultra-violet missile approach warning and countermeasures dispensing functions in a single systems controller. Another component of CIDAS-300 will be the HES-21 ESM suite that combines the radar warning receiver and BOP-L dispenser with interferometer antenna arrays, a missile approach warning system, laser warning system, countermeasure dispensers, defensive aids controller, and a display-cum-control unit.


http://trishulgroup.blogspot.com/2008/11/s...c-detailed.html
 
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Range does not matter. Its the resolution that matters. The Wedgetail is much better than a radar(Phalcon) developed in the 90s. The Wedgetail is simply far too capable compared to the Phalcon. Grow up, things change with time. The same planes and radars do not give new capability.
Range does matter because the AWACS is not going to defeat the threat itself, once picked up on the radar, interceptors will take care of threats and the AWACS has to stay a good distance away from the threat, as long as the AWACS can provide long range warning and airborne control, they are good. The interceptors need good resolution radars.
 

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Range does matter because the AWACS is not going to defeat the threat itself, once picked up on the radar, interceptors will take care of threats and the AWACS has to stay a good distance away from the threat, as long as the AWACS can provide long range warning and airborne control, they are good. The interceptors need good resolution radars.
Look matey. If you are comparing 2 AWACS, then range does not matter. It does not matter if the AWACS suddenly shows up on the American Sea based X-Band radar or not. The resolution is the most important for any radar, be it a fighter or an AWACS or a ground based radar.

If the Phalcon flies only 100km from the border, then it is sure to be painted by the enemy ground based radars. It is the job of the escorts to protect the AWACS while it runs away.

Detection does not need a small resolution. And you cannot escape your enemy if you can only detect it after every few seconds. In a war, your tracking range is all that matters.

To make it simpler, the Phalcon is like the RBE-2 AESA and the Wedgetail is like the APG-79 AESA. The Phalcon is a second generation radar while the Wedgetail is a third generation radar. Kapish.

Only the Israeli Eitam(a 3rd gen radar based on the Greenpine radar) is the equivalent of the Wedgetail.
 
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not comparing wedgetail and Phalcon, i know wedgetail is the most advanced awacs on the planet, i m just saying that the Phalcon is very good as well.
 

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There is no answer For Phalcon in asia.The Chinese & Pak Systems are nowhere near to Phalcon in capabilities...Only Japan has E-3 Sentry which is on a bit inferior to Phaclon but the 2nd best System in asia
 

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i have question what will happen in real war ???

since our AWAC will operate from 100 KM and will cover whole of Pakistan and they have to accordingly plan postion of their AWAC which will be their best line of plan and what we can do to counter that ???
 

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The answer is simple.....SU-30MKI Carrying KS-172 Awacs Killer
 

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wont Paki AF will sacrifice their own fighters to protect AWAC ???
 

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we dont need the KS-172 the Saab Is a Turbo prop to good BRV shots from the "blind spot" is enough to "kill" it
 

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The Novator K-100 is a Indian/Russian air-to-air missile designed as an "AWACS killer"at ranges up to 300–400 km (160-210 nmi). The missile has had various names during its troubled history, including Izdeliye 172 ('Article 172'), AAM-L (RVV-L), KS–172, KS-1, 172S-1 and R-172. The airframe appears to have been derived from the 9K37 Buk surface-to-air missile (SAM) but development stalled in the mid-1990s for lack of funds.It appears to have restarted in 2004 after a deal with India, who wants to produce the missile in India for their Su-30MKI fighters.

In May 2005 it was reported that there were two versions, with and without a rocket booster, with ranges of 400 km and 300 km respectively.At the MAKS airshow in August 2005, a range of 300 km was quoted for a streamlined missile with a small booster and fins on both booster and fuselage.However the model shown at the 2007 MAKS airshow under the name K-100 was closer to the original 1993 mockup in the photo above, with different-shaped fins that were further up the fuselage, and an even larger booster with TVC vents.At the same show it was shown under the wing of a Su-35BM, implying that at least two could be carried by Flanker-class aircraft rather than just one on the centreline.

As India is the main investor in the K-100, it would first see service on her Su-30MKI aircraft. Russia might be a customer, depending on funding. No in-service date has yet been suggested.

Photos of the K-100-1 at the 2007 Moscow airshowsuggest that India is proceeding with the "big booster" long-range variant under that name. A shorter range version without the booster (K-100-2?), as proposed for the R-172 in 2005,might be used on smaller planes than the Su-30.
 

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we dont need the KS-172 the Saab Is a Turbo prop to good BRV shots from the "blind spot" is enough to "kill" it
But it would be better to shoot the eyrie from a longer range to avoid contact with the escort fighters.Even the eyrie wont b able to see Su-30MKI At 380-400kms...
 

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From what I have read on the internet , it seems Phalcon can stay airborne for 9-10 hours without refueling as oppossed to 4.5 hours mentioned by Prada.
 

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From what I have read on the internet , it seems Phalcon can stay airborne for 9-10 hours without refueling as oppossed to 4.5 hours mentioned by Prada.
10 hrs with In flight refueling....5-6 hrs is without mid air refueling...
 

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I don't think the spec to spec comparisons matter nearly as much as the ability to optimize the equipment based on the given conditions. India has an exponentially greater air, land and sea border in addition to a larger fleet of combat aircraft and other mobile hardware. All of this requires a greater level of coverage vis a vis Pakistan. Hence by default India has to have a greater number of larger and faster aircrafts to provide the coverage adequately.

The real determining factors are utility and serviceability. How easy or difficult is it to maintain these aircrafts, are the financial requirements in doing so crippling, how many units can be kept functional in the event of a protracted conflict and how soon can they be scrambled when need be? These are the questions that matter more.

At the end of the day the AWAC units themselves are but only a part of a larger setup that needs to operate seamlessly.
 

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