AWACS will change Asia's military dynamics

[p2prada]

Phalcon was custom built for India so everything will be kept in mind. Datalinking, Image sharing and all must have been done.

Not yet. 2012 is the year for our AFNET to take off.

 

[tharikiran]

Not yet. 2012 is the year for our AFNET to take off.

Prada is right. That's what the Air chief also stated.
Data linking to all our planes not yet done.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I don't think datalinking will be an issue, it will be a much bigger issue for Pakistan with SAAB eeryie,HQ-9,F-16's and j-17 with unknown radar all the effort just to be blown out of the sky by ASTRA and KS-172.

You don't get the point. Western equipment are based on MiL standards. Russian equipments are based on their own standards and protocol. Thus integrating R-77, MKI, KS-172, etc. with Phalcon would be a bigger problem compaired to Eeryie with F-16 and AIM-120.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

sorrow i am sure much of this must have been worked out ahead of time, it is reported that israelis have been letting us checkout the phalcon for the last 3 years.

 

[p2prada]

You don't get the point. Western equipment are based on MiL standards. Russian equipments are based on their own standards and protocol. Thus integrating R-77, MKI, KS-172, etc. with Phalcon would be a bigger problem compaired to Eeryie with F-16 and AIM-120.

All export versions from Russia and China follow the MIL STD 1553, MIL STD 1760(recent) and MIL STD 1773(recent). IAF has already integrated French missiles on Mig-29 and Russian missiles on Mirage-2000. So, the Phalcons would not be a problem.

 

[Singh]

All export versions from Russia and China follow the MIL STD 1553, MIL STD 1760(recent) and MIL STD 1773(recent). IAF has already integrated French missiles on Mig-29 and Russian missiles on Mirage-2000. So, the Phalcons would not be a problem.

Very Interesting...
When did India incorporate Russian missiles on French craft and French missiles on Russian crafts? A link would be appreciated.
Nitesh was also talking about a new indigenous datalink which will go onboard all domestic crafts. Would that be not required now ?

 

[p2prada]

Very Interesting...
When did India incorporate Russian missiles on French craft and French missiles on Russian crafts? A link would be appreciated.
Nitesh was also talking about a new indigenous datalink which will go onboard all domestic crafts. Would that be not required now ?

Ballistic Missile Defences

The MiG-21 fleet is currently armed with R-550 Magic-2 and R-60 air-to-air missiles -

The MiG-29B/S are armed with R-60,R-73 and R-27 air-to-air missiles while the Mirage 2000s carry Super 530D and R-550 Magic-2s. However, the IAF has embarked on a limited upgradation program for its MiG-29s, being undertaken at Ozhar, which will confer the ability to fire the R-77 missile. Moreover, the IAF has adapted the MiG-29 to fire Super 530D and R-550s, while the Mirage 2000s have carried out trials with R-27, R-60 and R-73 AAMs. It is not inconceivable that the Mirage 2000 fleet may be cleared to fire the R-77 in the not too distant future.

Cheers:113:

 

[p2prada]

Very Interesting...
Nitesh was also talking about a new indigenous datalink which will go onboard all domestic crafts. Would that be not required now ?

We do not have the capability to develop our own data link. The ODL is the only one we will have. Will only be operationalized in 2012. All our fighters, Aerostats, AWACS, Transports, UAVs, Ground based Radars, and Satellites will be interlinked with the ODL. Even our MRTAs will be linked to the Airforce command. The entire structure will be called Aerospace Command and the netowrk is called AFNET.

Our Battle tanks, Artillery will be able to access the AFNET too, through UAVs and satellites.

Battle tanks will be connected to UAVs and will work in a large groups with increased situational awareness. The groups will be called Wolf Packs. The technology is being developed by BEL.

Forgot to add helis too.

Cheers.

 

[venom]

IAF Phalcon AWACS Vs PAF SAAB 2000 AEW&C

Indian Phalcon
Range-450 kms.
The EL/M-2075 is a solid-state L-band conformal array radar system for use on a Boeing 707, IL-76 and other aircraft. Phalcon, as the complete AEW mission suite is referred to, is intended for airborne early warning, tactical surveillance of airborne and surface targets and intelligence gathering. It also integrates the command and control capabilities needed to employ this information. The system uses six panels of phased-array elements: two on each side of the fuselage, one in an enlarged nosecone and one under the tail. Each array consists of 768 liquid-cooled, solid-state transmitting and receiving elements, each of which is weighted in phase and amplitude. These elements are driven by individual modules and every eight modules are connected to a transmit/receive group. Groups of 16 of these eight module batches are linked back to what is described as a prereceive/transmit unit, and a central six-way control is used to switch the pre-transmit/receive units of the different arrays on a time division basis. As used in its Chilean Boeing 707-based application, the lateral fairings measured approximately 12 × 2 m and were mounted on floating beds to prevent airframe flexing degrading the radar accuracy. Each array scans a given azimuth sector, providing a total coverage of 360°. Scanning is carried out electronically in both azimuth and elevation. Radar modes include high PRF search and full track, track-while-scan, a slow scan detection mode for hovering and low-speed helicopters (using rotor blade returns) and a low PRF ship detection mode.Instead of using a rotodome, a moving radar found on some AEW&C aircraft, the Phalcon uses the Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA), an active phased array radar. This radar consists of an array transmit/receive (T/R) modules that allow a beam to be electronically steered, making a physically rotating rotodome unnecessary. AESA radars have very short to instantaneous scanning rates, which makes them difficult to detect. The radar can be mounted on the an aircraft's fuselage or on the top inside a small dome. Either position gives the radar 360 degree coverage. The phased array radar allows positions of aircraft on operator screens to be updated every 2-4 seconds, rather than every 20-40 seconds as is the case on the rotodome AWACS.

SAAB Erieye radar
Range-350 kms.
The Erieye AEW&C mission system radar is an active, phased-array, pulse-Doppler sensor that can feed an onboard operator architecture or downlink data (via an associated datalink subsystem) to a ground-based air defence network. The system employs a large aperture, dual-sided antenna array housed in a dorsal 'plank' fairing. The antenna is fixed, and the beam is electronically scanned, which provides for improved detection and significantly enhanced tracking performance compared with radar-dome antenna systems.Erieye detects and tracks air and sea targets out to the horizon. Typical detection range against fighter-sized targets is approximately 350 km, in a 150° broadside sector, both sides of the aircraft. Outside these sectors, performance is reduced in forward and aft directions.Other system features include:Adaptive waveform generation (including digital, phase-coded pulse compression), signal processing and target trackingTrack While Scan (TWS)Low sidelobe values (throughout the system's angular coverage)Low- and medium-pulse repetition frequency operating modesFrequency agilityAir-to-air and sea surveillance modesTarget radar cross-section displayThe radar operates as a medium- to high-PRF pulse-Doppler, solid-state radar, in E/F-band (3 GHz), incorporating 192 two-way transmit/receive modules that combine to produce a pencil beam, steered as required within the operating 150° sector each side of the aircraft (one side at a time). It is understood that Erieye has some ability to detect aircraft in the 30° sectors fore and aft of the aircraft heading, but has no track capability in this sector

 

[John]

Indian Phalcon has a max. detection range of over 800km, fighter size targets can be detected over 500km away. The Saab has a max. detection range of 350km. can't compare

 

[venom]

800 kms is not possible...... Its max instrumental range is 500-550 kms...

 

[John]

800 kms is not possible...... Its max instrumental range is 500-550 kms...

no its true max. instrumented range is well over 700km+, A super carrier type target would be detected at over 650km away. the max. detection range of aircraft is well over 600km for a 5m2 target. Its the world's most advanced snooping radar and doesn't get anymore advanced than this. We always reduce the actual number like always. The real instrumented range is even better than this but i wont disclose this figure here, its far more advanced than we think. Even the Boeing Wedgetail's MESA radar has a max. instrumented detection range of 800km, our Phalcon is much more advanced than the Wedgetail.

 

[p2prada]

The real instrumented range is even better than this but i wont disclose this figure here, its far more advanced than we think.

LOL

Even the Boeing Wedgetail's MESA radar has a max. instrumented detection range of 800km, our Phalcon is much more advanced than the Wedgetail.

No, its not. The Phalcons is based on a second generation design. The Wedgetail is 3rd gen, similar to the APG-79/80 series.

The new radar Eitam in Israel matches the Wedgetail.

 

[Payeng]

Why don't you guys back you claim with valid proofs? such as hyperlinks to the source of information.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Eeryie does not have 360 degree coverage that phalcon has and it requires many people doing everything perfect;y to function and the best part it's in the range of AWAC killer
ks-172

 

[venom]

@ John

Can u provide any link for ur statement....?

 

[venom]

The Indian Awacs is based on Il-76 Platform.The advantages of Il-76 over SAAB 2000 are as follows.

1.The Indian Phalcon can Stay for more time in air than Pak SAAB Eyrie.
2.The Indian Il-76 have more efficient PS-90 [4 no's]jet engines whereas Pak SAAB 2000 are powered by 2 Rolls-Royce AE 2100 turboprop engines.
3.The Speed of Il-76 is greater than SAAB 2000.
4.Indian Phalcon has 12 operator stations against 6 of Pak Eyrie.
5.Il-76 has more space for upgrades than SAAB 2000.

I've compared the platforms of both the Early warning systems.

Specifications of SAAB 2000

Powerplants

Two 3096 kW (4152 shp) Rolls-Royce Allison AE-2100A turboprops driving six blade constant speed Dowty propellers

Weights

Operating empty 13,800 kg (30,420 lb)
Max takeoff 22,999 kg (50,704 lb)

Performance

Max cruising speed 682 km/h (424 mph, 368 knots) at 25,000 ft
Long range cruising speed 594 km/h (369 mph, 321 kn)
Initial rate of climb 2250 ft/min (11.4 m/s)
Service ceiling 31,000 ft
High speed range 2185 km (1180 NM)
Range at long range cruising speed 2868 km (1549 NM).

Dimensions

Wing span 24.76 m (81 ft 3 in)
Length 27.28 m (89 ft 6 in)
Height 7.73 m (25 ft 4 in)
Wing area 55.7 m² (600 sq ft)




Il-76


General characteristics

Payload: 50 – 55 tonnes.
Length: 46.59 m (152 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 50.5 m (165 ft 8 in)
Height: 14.76 m (48 ft 5 in)
Wing area: 300.0 m² (3,229.2 ft²)


Performance

Maximum speed: 900 km/h
Range: 4400 kms
Service ceiling: 13,000 m (42,700 ft)

 

[John]

LOL



No, its not. The Phalcons is based on a second generation design. The Wedgetail is 3rd gen, similar to the APG-79/80 series.

The new radar Eitam in Israel matches the Wedgetail.

haha stop comparing a full scale awacs to fighter based AESA, i know apg-79/80 have a very long range but wedgetail is much higher and indeed wedgetail is newer and better resolution radar but the Phalcon's max. instrumented range is higher. Eitam is better than the SAAB with max. instrumented range of around 500km.

A-50 / A-50E, A-50EI, A-50M, Mainstay

A-50E+AEW+&+C+Presentation-4.jpg (image)

This pic above is for the standard A-50E awacs, our Phalcon is A-50EI much better and far more powerful with over 4400 T/R modules.

 

[p2prada]

haha stop comparing a full scale awacs to fighter based AESA, i know apg-79/80 have a very long range but wedgetail is much higher and indeed wedgetail is newer and better resolution radar but the Phalcon's max. instrumented range is higher. Eitam is better than the SAAB with max. instrumented range of around 500km.

A-50 / A-50E, A-50EI, A-50M, Mainstay

A-50E+AEW+&+C+Presentation-4.jpg (image)

This pic above is for the standard A-50E awacs, our Phalcon is A-50EI much better and far more powerful with over 4400 T/R modules.

Range does not matter. Its the resolution that matters. The Wedgetail is much better than a radar(Phalcon) developed in the 90s. The Wedgetail is simply far too capable compared to the Phalcon. Grow up, things change with time. The same planes and radars do not give new capability.

 

[p2prada]

The Indian Awacs is based on Il-76 Platform.The advantages of Il-76 over SAAB 2000 are as follows.

1.The Indian Phalcon can Stay for more time in air than Pak SAAB Eyrie.

The only drawback of the IL-76 platform is the lesser loiter time. The IL-76 can stay up in the air only for 4.5 hours compared to 9.5 hours on the SAAB 2000.