Astra BVRAAM

[IndianHawk]

Apart from the meteor, which BVR missile of India has the longest range?

Astra 1? 100km?

R77 80km?

R-77-1 110km? Do we even have this?

Astra is now published at 110 km .
We may have bought R77-1 after balakot.

There are also mention of Derby ER test by Janes though not confirmed by Indian sources.

 

[AmoghaVarsha]

Astra is now published at 110 km .
We may have bought R77-1 after balakot.

There are also mention of Derby ER test by Janes though not confirmed by Indian sources.

So at this point we match the paki C5. While the astra mk2 will give us a distinct advantage.

Sir any idea if except the f16 and jf17 any paki bird has BVR capability? Afaik all the frontline IAF planes have BVR capability.

 

[Lonewolf]

So at this point we match the paki C5. While the astra mk2 will give us a distinct advantage.

Sir any idea if except the f16 and jf17 any paki bird has BVR capability? Afaik all the frontline IAF planes have BVR capability.

Nope , all other are of 2nd and 3rd generation

 

[THESIS THORON]

 

[Lonewolf]

Akash ng ???? Damn boy , if akash ng comes with a aesa seeker and thrust modulation , it can beat most of its competitors

 

[Kuldeepm952]

Akash ng ???? Damn boy , if akash ng comes with a aesa seeker and thrust modulation , it can beat most of its competitors

Can this be used to increase range of Helina missile?? I wonder how Israelis managed to double their range of spike er2 to 16km within same package.

 

[IndianHawk]

So at this point we match the paki C5. While the astra mk2 will give us a distinct advantage.

Sir any idea if except the f16 and jf17 any paki bird has BVR capability? Afaik all the frontline IAF planes have BVR capability.

Nope rest all are f7 mirage 3 &5. All of them are 40-50 years and more old. They are barely flying. They need to replace all of them immediately.


Infact most of their f16s are also very old block a and b type ( 35+ years olds) . Some they bought already second hand. Only 18 block 52 are rather contemporary.

Even jf17 blk 1 hasn't been seen firing bvr and not much better than a mig 21.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Can this be used to increase range of Helina missile?? I wonder how Israelis managed to double their range of spike er2 to 16km within same package.

but, the thrust modulation srm will only be useful in cases where there is high manuverbility, tanks are sitting duck.

 

[Lonewolf]

Can this be used to increase range of Helina missile?? I wonder how Israelis managed to double their range of spike er2 to 16km within same package.

Cost ????

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[lcafanboy]

 

[mist_consecutive]

This is the same squadron from which 2x Su-30MKI stopped 8x Pakistani F-16s on 27th Feb

 

[Covfefe]

In the TAC view he talks about some interesting stuff regarding BVR fights

 

[Tridev123]

Sharing some thoughts.
Although very long range AAM's like the Russian Novator KS-172 have been developed and can theoretically target high value assets like the AWACS aircraft, they are of little use in bringing down modern fighter aircraft. Since the AAM's are relatively big in size and need to carry enough fuel for achieving the extra range. They hence become less maneuverable and incapable of very high G turns. Modern fighter aircraft can probably out maneuver them.

Now to overcome this limitation.
Probably an air to air missile can be made which will actually consist of two missiles. Just like how our space launch vehicles like the PSLV and GSLV carry booster engines which are jettisoned in flight, an booster like mother missile can carry an smaller child missile which will have all of the sensors and propulsion systems like any normal AAM. The mother missile will be used to get close to the fighter size target, maybe at ranges < 100 km using its own guidance systems and mid course guidance updates by the launching aircrafts radar.

At an stipulated distance from the target fighter the smaller air to air missile probably carried in the belly of the mother missile will activate its sensors and get a lock on to the enemy fighter. Once the lock on is achieved, the mother missile will eject the child missile which will then proceed to the target under its own power. It should have sufficient fuel and good sensors to be able to chase the enemy fighter and bring it down.

The technical challenges are many and whether something like this is feasible remains to be seen.

 

[Super Flanker]

So at this point we match the paki C5. While the astra mk2 will give us a distinct advantage.

Sir any idea if except the f16 and jf17 any paki bird has BVR capability? Afaik all the frontline IAF planes have BVR capability.

Pakistan has only 2 Fighters which are BVR Capable and they are F-16 and JF 17. Pakistan has AIM-120C5 BVR to use from their F-16 and they have SD-10 BVR to be used From JF 17. So as of now ,we can safely Conclude no other Aircrafts in PAF inventory has BVR Except these 2 Aircrafts. But I have Heard news in Pakistan that PAF is planning to integrate SD-10 on their Mirage ROSE-1s.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Pakistan has only 2 Fighters which are BVR Capable and they are F-16 and JF 17. Pakistan has AIM-120C5 BVR to use from their F-16 and they have SD-10 BVR to be used From JF 17. So as of now ,we can safely Conclude no other Aircrafts in PAF inventory has BVR Except these 2 Aircrafts. But I have Heard news in Pakistan that PAF is planning to integrate SD-10 on their Mirage ROSE-1s.
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F 16 are old are capable of age bvr which has became new wvr.

heck they can be jammed using su 30 mki pesa radar

 

[India Super Power]

Is it true su 30mki radar was jammed by paf assets

 

[THESIS THORON]

Is it true su 30mki radar was jammed by paf assets

no opposite is true

su 30 mkis ell8222 jammer, jammed the shit out of the f16 and its aamrams

 

[India Super Power]

no opposite is true

su 30 mkis ell8222 jammer, jammed the shit out of the f16 and its aamrams

Many Indian news outlets claimed that su 30 radar got jammed

 

[THESIS THORON]

Many Indian news outlets claimed that su 30 radar got jammed

got jammed from what ?? su 30 never left indian territory.

indian news channels are just plain shiet especially regarding defense related news