Armored Personnel Carriers & Infantry Fighting Vehicles

[Kunal Biswas]

This is not M113, looks like older vehicle made in USA, I need to check Hunnicutt books to be certain. But definetly not M113.

This is a Pakistani APC call Talha APC, Based on M113..

The system is targeted for PA..

 

[methos]

The Talha on the picture seems to be very similar, but there are still some differences. 6 vs 5 roadwheels, another small plate between glacis and lower front hull, different vision blocks for the crew...

 

[Akim]

It a conveyer М-474A1 and ХМ113А3+. It is unimportant, all of them are created on a base M113

М-474

 

[asianobserve]

http://www.gstatic.com/hostedimg/d23261eea8809126_landing[/IMG]
М-474

I think this is an American prototype APC with designation M44 (T16). This APC is a development of the M18 Tank Destroyer but was deemed too heavy and too large for APC service. The M75 was later on developed.

M44 (T16)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

The Talha on the picture seems to be very similar, but there are still some differences. 6 vs 5 roadwheels, another small plate between glacis and lower front hull, different vision blocks for the crew...

This is SAAD Apc of their`s, Six wheels..

That vehicle must be some prototype of these variants..

though i am sure origin Pakistani..

 

[Akim]

State company Ukrspecexport

 

[militarysta]

Quite good pdf. from OBRUM Gliwice (Ośrodek Badawczo - Rozwojowy Urządzeń Mechanicznych)

About turrets for IVF - this pdf (here: http://www.obrum.gliwice.pl/UserFiles/SPG_01_Stachura_Holota.pdf) compare two types Remotely Operated Turret System:

1)
Whit "open" structure:
RCWS-30 RAFAEL, Izrael;
· UT-30 ELBIT, Izrael;
· HITFIST-OWS – OTO MELARA, WÅ‚ochy.

And whit "close" structure:
· LANCE – RHEINMETALL DEFENCE, Niemcy;
· PROTECTOR MCRWS – KONGSBERG, Norwegia;
· WIEŻA HITFIST-30P (załogowa), spolonizowana.

Summary: Remotely Operated Turret System base on "open" structure sucks - they have serious problem, so future Remotely Operated Turret System for polish Rosomak-2 AMV and IVF must be in developed in "close" structure

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Eurosatory 2012 international defence exhibition

 

[Kunal Biswas]

VAB Mk 2 4x4 wheeled armored personnel carrier

 

[Akim]

light APC "Vodnik" Armed Forces of Uruguay

 

[Akim]

 

[Akim]

KRAZ for the armed forces of India

"AutoKrAZ" (Ukraune Kremenchug), in partnership with Indian company SHRI LAKSHMI DEFENCE SOLUTIONS LTD (SLDSL), (India, Kanpur), has built a new armored KrAZ-01-1-11/SLDSL truck based on the KrAZ-5233VE right-hand drive chassis cab 4Ñ…4 powered with the YaMZ-238DE2 rated at 330 hp. Indian specialists have placed armor plating around the most important truck units: cab, power plant, fuel tanks, storage batteries, powertrain components and transport module.
The KrAZ-01-1-11/SLDSL multi-purpose armored personnel carrier is designed to carry personnel of troops and provide fire support and can be used as carrier of various weapons and equipment.
Monocoque design, armor-plated body, double doors and side walls with its hollow cavity walls filled with blast protective materials up to 25 mm in thickness, V-shaped three-wall hull to deflect the blast effect are provided to ensure protection from small arms and mass destruction weapons.
The KRAZ-01-1-11/SLDSL armored truck is designed to carry 12 persons and is equipped with the Rigel MK1 360° rotating turret, 8 ports inside the truck, audio/video monitoring system able to rotate 360°, night vision system and rear-view camera offering 0,5 km range of vision.
Armor protection level of vertical walls and engine compartment bulletproof glass meets STANAG 4569 level 3А.
Blast protective material THIKA MINEPLATE filling floor and sidewalls hollow cavity walls exceeds requirements of STANAG 4569 level 2.
Public Joint-Stock Company «AutoKrAZ»

 

[Akim]

BMPT-K-64
Can not swim only...

 

[militarysta]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2003_rpt/stryker_reality_of_war.pdf

STRYKER BRIGADES
Versus
THE REALITY OF WAR
Fundamental Concerns About The Stryker's Capabilities
In Combat When Evaluated Against Lessons Learned
From The Conflicts In Afghanistan, Iraq And Elsewhere.

Autor is not professional, but whit his opinnion about Stryker hard to not agree...

autor: Written by Victor O'Reilly for Congressman Jim Saxton, D21 Aug 22, 2003

 

[W.G.Ewald]

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/congress/2003_rpt/stryker_reality_of_war.pdf



Autor is not professional, but whit his opinnion about Stryker hard to not agree...

autor: Written by Victor O'Reilly for Congressman Jim Saxton, D21 Aug 22, 2003

 

[Damian]

Re: Ukraine invites India to modernize T-90S Tanks

Any idea what are Ukrainian army plans? Also their export market?

Well, I think that currently for their own domestic use, they are focusing on creating family of unified platforms based on T-64 series, with vehicles like BMPT-K-64, BMPV-64 or BMPT-64, and with modernized T-64 tanks like T-64BM "Bulat" and T-64E.

There are of course plans to shift towards family of unified platforms based on T-80UD/T-84 series, probably mostly focused for exports due to their higher price.

Here is a photo from Malyshev factory (it is placed in the same factory complex with KMDB design bureau), it shows a T-80UD/T-84 based heavy universal tracked platform, that can be used for heavy IFV, APC etc.

 

[Akim]

Re: Ukraine invites India to modernize T-90S Tanks

Any idea what are Ukrainian army plans? Also their export market?

"Now we estimate approximately 3 billion UAH (345 mln. $) , announced that the General plant Nikolay Belov of the portfolio of orders on open days, which took place on 7 September.
The Core is the Thai contract to "Oploti". It's also a deal with Iraq on the BTR-4, contract with Egypt to upgrade power plants for tanks, "Chinese" contract, " specified Belov.
Power installation are doing and to Cairo.
"Now a research party of three machines tested. Now there (in Cairo, Egypt – ed.) our team is now undergoing trials. Ran back already 500 miles away, now pass more water testing, as well as floating machine. After this contract appears in the serial stage. Will supply 200 power plants. In the long term, and that these tests, we expect the signing of a new contract for 600 power plants of the same plan, "said Belov.
Production installations for Cairo on the Kharkov enterprise to start a month later. In General a contract for 200 power plants designed by 2015.
According to Nicholas of Festival in the coming days to sign another contract, p'âtirìčnij, from Pakistan to supply 110 power plants for tanks.
Plant. Malyshev factory continues to produce and fighting machine "Bulat" commissioned by the Ministry of defence for the Ukrainian army.

У завода ім. Малишева замовлень на 3 млрд. грн

 

[p2prada]

Re: Ukraine invites India to modernize T-90S Tanks

Here is a photo from Malyshev factory (it is placed in the same factory complex with KMDB design bureau), it shows a T-80UD/T-84 based heavy universal tracked platform, that can be used for heavy IFV, APC etc.

Interesting. 7 wheels. In your opinion do you think they can finish it and find a market internally or for export?

For countries following the Soviet type doctrine, is there a need for such heavy IFVs? I know the GCV program is there, but the countries involved are richer and follow a different doctrine. Even Indian IFV programs are looking at 20-30 ton vehicles.

It is like KMDB is creating a mix and match with different platforms for different customers and will latch on to the first customer that bites. Pakistan seems to be one, especially with their heavy requirement for tanks. So, I won't be surprised if we slowly start seeing Ukrainian technologies in Pak armour, if not already being done. This would also directly interfere with Indian Army's plans as will it affect Pak Army.

Still it would be interesting to see who will buy such heavy IFVs...

 

[Damian]

Re: Ukraine invites India to modernize T-90S Tanks

Interesting. 7 wheels. In your opinion do you think they can finish it and find a market internally or for export?

Who knows the future, but I as a Pole have a very deep sympathy for Ukrainians (even if I do not show it most times), so I wish them luck with their products.

For countries following the Soviet type doctrine, is there a need for such heavy IFVs? I know the GCV program is there, but the countries involved are richer and follow a different doctrine. Even Indian IFV programs are looking at 20-30 ton vehicles.

Recent coflicts proved that lightly armored IFV's are problematic, they can't efficently support tanks, neither are safe for infantry they are carring, so there is shift from lighter, mostly amphibious IFV's to the heavier, more survivable ones, but without amphibious capabilities.

So IMHO more and more countries will choose two approaches, or complete withdrawal from old soviet philosophy of IFV, or use of both lighter and heavier ones (perhaps modular designs?).

It is like KMDB is creating a mix and match with different platforms for different customers and will latch on to the first customer that bites. Pakistan seems to be one, especially with their heavy requirement for tanks. So, I won't be surprised if we slowly start seeing Ukrainian technologies in Pak armour, if not already being done. This would also directly interfere with Indian Army's plans as will it affect Pak Army.

It is actually very smart move from the Ukrainians side, to make a wide proposal for many customers.

 

[Akim]

Re: Ukraine invites India to modernize T-90S Tanks

Still it would be interesting to see who will buy such heavy IFVs...

Platforms on a base Т- 64 exported will not be. They exceptionally created for the Ukrainian army. But similar platforms can be done on a base Т- 55 and Т- 72 and new Т- 80(84,90) These platforms can be used as heavy IFV self-propelled guns -152 (155) mm MLRS and air DEFENCE. Structurally they will enter in the complement of tank brigades ( replacing the lungs of BMP-1 (2). Complexes air DEFENCE and havy IFV, can operate in one line-up with tanks. Now, when tanks of rebuilt from a platoon colon in a chain they "lost" for the facilities of air DEFENCE, which remain behind.