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The Russian platform represents a radically new approach to armoured vehicle design. But can it restore Russia’s traditional supremacy in this domain? MIHIR SHAH reports.
Tank enthusiasts around the world are all too familiar with the tale of the Wehrmacht’s surprise encounters with hitherto unknown Soviet tanks at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. German generals, until then utterly confident of the supremacy of their armoured vehicles, were shocked not only at the superiority of Soviet tanks, but also by the sheer number of these vehicles that the Red Army had fielded in complete secrecy.
The T-34 tank, in particular, was so successful that the Germans even attempted to build themselves a copy in the form of the Panther medium tank. But for all the technical prowess of German engineers, it fell short of the mark. By the time the war ended, the T-34 had come to be widely regarded as the best tank in the world. Its combination of armour, firepower, mobility, and ease of production put it in a different league from contemporaries like the German Panzer IV and the American M4 Sherman.
For the next four decades, Soviet armoured vehicles in general, and tanks in particular, enjoyed a significant degree of technical superiority over those fielded by adversary nations. It was not until the final stages of the Cold War that a new generation of Western heavy tank designs started to chip away at that advantage before finally gaining an upper hand.
Russian engineers have since toyed with several ideas to arrest that decline, from deep upgrades of existing designs (like the T-90MS) to completely new concepts like the T-95 and Black Eagle. However, the funding shortfalls that have plagued the Russian military-industrial complex since the break-up of the Soviet Union have not seen any of these concepts progress beyond the prototype stage. All the while, a series of continual upgrades to NATO tanks have seen these vehicles extend their already sizeable advantage over their Russian counterparts. For Russia to regain her historical lead over the competition (to meet her own military requirements as well as to target the lucrative export market), the country’s ground forces need to be equipped with an all-new tank. A tank that could not only attain parity with its competitors, but also introduce enough of an overmatch in the base design to stay ahead of those competitors as it goes through successive upgrades over the years.
The Uralvagonzavod Corporation’s T-14 main battle tank (MBT), based on the Armata universal combat platform and unveiled on the Victory Day parade on May 9, may just be that design. The tank features cutting edge technologies: an unmanned turret, active defences, an isolated crew capsule in the hull, and remotely fired weaponry. In order to determine whether these features confer it with the edge needed to restore Russian dominance in this field, it would be useful to examine those features within the context of the shortcomings that affect the platforms currently in service.
ARMOUR
Russian tanks like the T-64, T-72, and T-80 were equipped with some of the strongest armour protection of their times. That armour gave them the ability to withstand direct frontal hits from contemporary 105-millimetre NATO tank guns. With the introduction of explosive reactive armour (ERA)—basically a slab of explosive that propels a steel plate towards a penetrating warhead, thereby damaging it and preventing complete penetration of a vehicle’s fighting compartment—the armour could even defeat 120 mm depleted uranium rounds like the American M829 and anti-tank missiles with shaped-charge warheads. Soviet engineers also experimented with an advanced form of all-round protection known as an active protection system (APS). The concept involves using a short-wave radar to detect an incoming anti-tank missile (tank rounds travel too fast to be detected in time for the system to react), and then detonating a fragmentation charge mounted on the body of the tank to destroy it at a safe distance.
But there is an inherent disadvantage to using these technologies: it makes close co-operation with infantry units impossible; human bodies do not react well to explosives going off around them. Given the brutal street-to-street fighting that has come to characterise modern-day wars, one could argue that the trade-off is just not worth it—an infantry formation operating in close conjunction with tanks is a far superior form of protection than ERA or APS. Besides, the APS stands the risk of having its sensors disabled by artillery shrapnel or machine-gun fire, leaving the tank dependent on its base armour to provide protection.
These considerations, as well as the increased power of modern weaponry, suggest that the existing armour package on Russian tanks has just about reached the limits of the protection it can provide. An entirely new package is needed going forward. Does such a package equip the T-14? It is difficult to tell from the few pictures and random bits of information available in the media. But one could draw on past studies and reports to make an informed guess. The Russians have been known to be traditionally strong in the armour department. They pioneered the use of modern composite and laminate armour with the T-64 and maintained a significant level of superiority over NATO until the M1A1, Challenger 2, and Leopard 2 tanks appeared on the scene. This has been proven through various studies conducted by armour experts in the 1990s (see Warford, 1990; Theeuwen, 1990; Ogorkiewicz, 1997; and Warford, 1999). So it would be fair to assume that the base armour on the T-14 is highly sophisticated, in all likelihood more so than present-day Western armour.
With the additional protection offered by a new generation of ERA and the Afganit APS—at least in scenarios involving classical tank warfare in the plains—the T-14 is bound to be even more effective against modern anti-tank weapons, and is likely to maintain that superiority for a while with enough scope for upgrades.
CREW PROTECTION
A tank’s vulnerability to enemy fire is not determined by the quality of armour alone. Other factors, such as the internal arrangement of ammunition and fuel, fire suppression systems, escape hatches, and so on are equally important. This is where existing Russian MBTs suffer their most glaring weakness—a flawed internal arrangement that sacrifices crew safety in the interest of compactness. This is not by accident; rather it is a deliberate design feature intended to keep the tank’s size and silhouette as small as possible.
How that came to be is a topic that merits its own write-up; the important point to note is that the designers chose to attain this goal by replacing one crewmember (the gun-loader/radio operator) with an elaborate autoloader mechanism. The system hoists rounds from a rotating magazine (called a carousel) under the turret and rams them into the breech. This carousel is lightly armoured from the top and sides to protect the propellant in case of a hit.
The problem with this design is that the carousel carries only half the total number of rounds onboard the tank. The remaining rounds are either clamped to the walls of the turret and hull, or placed under the crewmembers’ seats. These rounds are dangerously exposed to sparks and burning spall. To make matters worse, the propellant is not encased in metal, but in thin, paper-like cellulose covers. Often one tiny spark, one red-hot splinter of metal is all it takes to ignite the propellant, which is why T-72s are seen burning furiously after just one hit. Once this ammunition brews up, the sparks and flame enter the carousel within seconds and detonate the rounds inside. The resulting explosion blows the turret clean off the hull.
But Russian designers appear to have moved on from this obsolete, unsafe set-up. With the T-14, they have at last adopted a layout that emphasises crew protection over size. According to a report in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the tank’s crewmembers are no longer distributed between the turret and the hull, but have all been placed in an armoured ‘capsule’ in the hull. The ammunition is stored in its own separate compartment, away from the crew. This compartment is armoured as well, and located to minimise the probability of a hit. It may also be equipped with blow-off panels to vent the explosion away from the crew and powertrain, thus preventing an ammunition deflagration from immobilising the vehicle. The turret—historically housing the gunner and commander’s stations—is now unmanned and remotely operated from within the hull.
There are two advantages to this arrangement. Firstly, a tank hull, by virtue of its location, is always less exposed to enemy fire than the turret, especially when fighting from defilade. This reduces the probability of a hit to the crew compartment. The upshot is that the crew is well-placed to survive the destruction of the turret or the ammunition—known as a ‘mission kill’—and make it back to base in one piece.
Secondly, in older tanks, the designers had to armour the hull (to protect the driver) as well as the turret (to protect the commander and gunner). So the quantity of armour that could be applied had to be carefully rationed between the turret and the hull. Any designed increase in armour at one location in one often came at the expense of the other. The T-14, with the entire crew placed in one dedicated compartment, eliminates this dilemma rather nicely. The bulk of the armour is now concentrated in around the crew, in the hull. On the whole, this results in protection levels far greater than those possible on rival tanks.
Nonetheless, this arrangement does necessitate a compromise in terms of situational awareness. In a conventional tank design, the commander could stand at his cupola above the turret and obtain a complete picture of his surroundings. But with the turret blocking half his view in the T-14, this is no longer possible. Some may claim that in the age of high-resolution cameras and infrared-sensors, the commander no longer needs to stick his head out of the turret; but experienced tankers tend to recoil in horror at such a suggestion, asserting that there is no real substitute for first-hand observation. Veteran tanker and Business Standard columnist Ajai Shukla observes, “Given that a commander MUST remain "opened up" for as long as possible, i.e. in eye contact with the battlefield until there is serious artillery shelling . . . this design simply does not hack it for me.”
It is plain to see why. An optical device, no matter how sophisticated, is always more cumbersome to handle than a pair of eyeballs. It needs to be pointed in a particular direction, focused, and swiveled to obtain a larger picture than displayed on a tiny screen or in a viewfinder; often while being jolted about as the tank travels over rough ground. These steps take far more time and energy than simply turning one’s head. Besides, the advanced sensors, electronics, and mechanicals only add to the list of complex devices that can fail or suffer damage from enemy fire, blinding the crew at the most inopportune moment. The placement of the commander’s hatch in close proximity to the turret presents another difficulty. The two are electronically interlocked—the turret cannot traverse unless the commander is safely inside the tank and his hatch is closed; else he stands the risk of being cut in
half. This leaves the tank unable to fight with the hatch open.
Nevertheless, the designers of the tank seem to have reasoned that the enhanced crew safety was well worth the trade-off in situational awareness and reaction time. Only time will tell whether this reasoning holds true.
FIREPOWER
Firepower is another area where the current generation of Russian tanks is lacking. This, too, is a direct outcome of the decision to use an automatic gun-loading mechanism in place of a manual loader. The constraints imposed by the lack of space and the configuration of the autoloader make it impossible for the tanks to use heavy, one-piece ammunition rounds. Instead, a different type of round consisting of two separate pieces, the propellant charge and projectile, is employed.
Now a bit of digression is in order here. For an armour-piercing round, the penetrating power is a direct product the length of the ‘kinetic energy penetrator’—the part that exits the gun and strikes an enemy tank. The main advantage of a single-piece round is that the penetrator can be made nearly as long as the cartridge. But in the case of a two-piece round, the length is limited by that of the projectile casing. For example, the penetrators fired by the American M1A1 and M1A2 tanks are said to be almost 800 mm long. In contrast, their Russian counterparts are only 570 mm in length.
That difference shows up in the penetrating power. The 3MB42 round that Russian tanks currently field is quickly becoming obsolete against newer composite armour technologies. It was reported in 2007 that it failed to penetrate the Arjun tank's Kanchan armour in tests carried out by the Indian Army. How it will fare against more advanced designs in service today—like the British Dorchester armour—is not hard to imagine.
The limitations of the ammunition do not extend to the existing 125-millimetre main gun, however. It was the powerful tank gun in the world when it made its debut on the T-64 tank, and the basic design remains competitive. Therefore, it is not surprising that the T-14’s designers decided equip it with a heavily modernised version of the same gun, with a higher muzzle velocity and reportedly greater accuracy. But it remains to be seen whether they have developed new ammunition to take full advantage of the gun’s firing power, or persisted with the existing two-piece ammunition.
The gun-launched missile, too, remains a big question mark. The beam-riding Refleks missile equipping the T-80 and T-90 tanks, which overcomes some of the shortcomings of the existing kinetic energy penetrator, itself suffers from certain limitations—chief among them being the guidance mechanism. The use of laser guidance requires tank’s fire control system has to illuminate the target throughout its flight. This prevents the gunner from acquiring other targets while the missile is in flight, and exposes the tank to counter fire as it comes into the enemy’s line of sight. The Sokol-1 missile, reportedly under development at present, is said to suffer from similar drawbacks. A true fire-and-forget missile with a built-in seeker would go a long way towards correcting that deficiency, and allow the tank to destroy targets at extreme range. Whether such a missile has been developed, or is even under consideration at present, is not known.
There are no such doubts about the viability of the secondary armament: a heavy machine gun operated remotely from within the crew compartment. The weapon fixes a critical vulnerability that MBTs face on the modern battlefield, a vulnerability the Russians discovered at great cost in Chechnya. During the First Chechen War, Russian tank columns routinely came under fire from rebels sited on building rooftops and armed with handheld anti-tank rockets. The tanks’ inability to shoot back at the attackers resulted in heavy losses on the Russian side. The T-14 has finally equipped tank crewmen with a weapon that can fire back at such targets across all elevation angles through independently stabilised sights, all while ensconced safely within the armoured capsule. With present-day military campaigns devolving into grinding urban combat against hardened insurgents, that capability is becoming increasingly crucial to achieving a successful outcome.
CLOSING REMARKS
The Russian armed forces and military-industrial complex have twice demonstrated the ability to develop exceptionally advanced armoured vehicles and then keep them secret until they were operationalised on a large-scale. The T-34 and the T-64 MBTs both took their opponents by complete surprise when they were initially revealed. The unveiling of what appear to be production versions of the T-14 tank at the Victory Day parade could be an attempt at a third iteration of this practice. It appears to have all the elements of a revolutionary design, a design that could set the standard for future MBT designs worldwide. But these features, however impressive, should be seen in the context of the Russian state’s overall economic health and the past performance of the weapons industry.
Weapons development in Russia has been starved of funds ever since the collapse of the USSR, with companies relying more on export orders than domestic procurement to fund their continued existence. The country’s recent exposure to Western sanctions and the economic contraction that followed is bound to worsen an already precarious situation. This raises several questions: Is the Russian armaments industry capable of effecting a turnaround and seeing the program through to completion? Are the production facilities capable of meeting the demands of large-scale deployment? Do they have the resources to sort out teething troubles with new technologies quickly and roll out fixes across the entire fleet?
It is tough to be optimistic while answering these questions. If the Indian experience is anything to go by, Russian corporations, hungry for exports, are often known to make tall claims, but they aren't always backed up by field performance. The engineering is pretty good, but the final product is nowhere near as slick as their marketing teams make it out to be. In the final analysis, the T-14 success will be determined not so much by its design specifications, but more by the industry’s ability to reverse its decline and deliver a working product on time and within a limited budget.
And that is a very tall order.
The Russian platform represents a radically new approach to armoured vehicle design. But can it restore Russia’s traditional supremacy in this domain? MIHIR SHAH reports.
Tank enthusiasts around the world are all too familiar with the tale of the Wehrmacht’s surprise encounters with hitherto unknown Soviet tanks at the beginning of Operation Barbarossa, the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941. German generals, until then utterly confident of the supremacy of their armoured vehicles, were shocked not only at the superiority of Soviet tanks, but also by the sheer number of these vehicles that the Red Army had fielded in complete secrecy.
The T-34 tank, in particular, was so successful that the Germans even attempted to build themselves a copy in the form of the Panther medium tank. But for all the technical prowess of German engineers, it fell short of the mark. By the time the war ended, the T-34 had come to be widely regarded as the best tank in the world. Its combination of armour, firepower, mobility, and ease of production put it in a different league from contemporaries like the German Panzer IV and the American M4 Sherman.
For the next four decades, Soviet armoured vehicles in general, and tanks in particular, enjoyed a significant degree of technical superiority over those fielded by adversary nations. It was not until the final stages of the Cold War that a new generation of Western heavy tank designs started to chip away at that advantage before finally gaining an upper hand.
Russian engineers have since toyed with several ideas to arrest that decline, from deep upgrades of existing designs (like the T-90MS) to completely new concepts like the T-95 and Black Eagle. However, the funding shortfalls that have plagued the Russian military-industrial complex since the break-up of the Soviet Union have not seen any of these concepts progress beyond the prototype stage. All the while, a series of continual upgrades to NATO tanks have seen these vehicles extend their already sizeable advantage over their Russian counterparts. For Russia to regain her historical lead over the competition (to meet her own military requirements as well as to target the lucrative export market), the country’s ground forces need to be equipped with an all-new tank. A tank that could not only attain parity with its competitors, but also introduce enough of an overmatch in the base design to stay ahead of those competitors as it goes through successive upgrades over the years.
The Uralvagonzavod Corporation’s T-14 main battle tank (MBT), based on the Armata universal combat platform and unveiled on the Victory Day parade on May 9, may just be that design. The tank features cutting edge technologies: an unmanned turret, active defences, an isolated crew capsule in the hull, and remotely fired weaponry. In order to determine whether these features confer it with the edge needed to restore Russian dominance in this field, it would be useful to examine those features within the context of the shortcomings that affect the platforms currently in service.
ARMOUR
Russian tanks like the T-64, T-72, and T-80 were equipped with some of the strongest armour protection of their times. That armour gave them the ability to withstand direct frontal hits from contemporary 105-millimetre NATO tank guns. With the introduction of explosive reactive armour (ERA)—basically a slab of explosive that propels a steel plate towards a penetrating warhead, thereby damaging it and preventing complete penetration of a vehicle’s fighting compartment—the armour could even defeat 120 mm depleted uranium rounds like the American M829 and anti-tank missiles with shaped-charge warheads. Soviet engineers also experimented with an advanced form of all-round protection known as an active protection system (APS). The concept involves using a short-wave radar to detect an incoming anti-tank missile (tank rounds travel too fast to be detected in time for the system to react), and then detonating a fragmentation charge mounted on the body of the tank to destroy it at a safe distance.
But there is an inherent disadvantage to using these technologies: it makes close co-operation with infantry units impossible; human bodies do not react well to explosives going off around them. Given the brutal street-to-street fighting that has come to characterise modern-day wars, one could argue that the trade-off is just not worth it—an infantry formation operating in close conjunction with tanks is a far superior form of protection than ERA or APS. Besides, the APS stands the risk of having its sensors disabled by artillery shrapnel or machine-gun fire, leaving the tank dependent on its base armour to provide protection.
These considerations, as well as the increased power of modern weaponry, suggest that the existing armour package on Russian tanks has just about reached the limits of the protection it can provide. An entirely new package is needed going forward. Does such a package equip the T-14? It is difficult to tell from the few pictures and random bits of information available in the media. But one could draw on past studies and reports to make an informed guess. The Russians have been known to be traditionally strong in the armour department. They pioneered the use of modern composite and laminate armour with the T-64 and maintained a significant level of superiority over NATO until the M1A1, Challenger 2, and Leopard 2 tanks appeared on the scene. This has been proven through various studies conducted by armour experts in the 1990s (see Warford, 1990; Theeuwen, 1990; Ogorkiewicz, 1997; and Warford, 1999). So it would be fair to assume that the base armour on the T-14 is highly sophisticated, in all likelihood more so than present-day Western armour.
With the additional protection offered by a new generation of ERA and the Afganit APS—at least in scenarios involving classical tank warfare in the plains—the T-14 is bound to be even more effective against modern anti-tank weapons, and is likely to maintain that superiority for a while with enough scope for upgrades.
CREW PROTECTION
A tank’s vulnerability to enemy fire is not determined by the quality of armour alone. Other factors, such as the internal arrangement of ammunition and fuel, fire suppression systems, escape hatches, and so on are equally important. This is where existing Russian MBTs suffer their most glaring weakness—a flawed internal arrangement that sacrifices crew safety in the interest of compactness. This is not by accident; rather it is a deliberate design feature intended to keep the tank’s size and silhouette as small as possible.
How that came to be is a topic that merits its own write-up; the important point to note is that the designers chose to attain this goal by replacing one crewmember (the gun-loader/radio operator) with an elaborate autoloader mechanism. The system hoists rounds from a rotating magazine (called a carousel) under the turret and rams them into the breech. This carousel is lightly armoured from the top and sides to protect the propellant in case of a hit.
The problem with this design is that the carousel carries only half the total number of rounds onboard the tank. The remaining rounds are either clamped to the walls of the turret and hull, or placed under the crewmembers’ seats. These rounds are dangerously exposed to sparks and burning spall. To make matters worse, the propellant is not encased in metal, but in thin, paper-like cellulose covers. Often one tiny spark, one red-hot splinter of metal is all it takes to ignite the propellant, which is why T-72s are seen burning furiously after just one hit. Once this ammunition brews up, the sparks and flame enter the carousel within seconds and detonate the rounds inside. The resulting explosion blows the turret clean off the hull.
But Russian designers appear to have moved on from this obsolete, unsafe set-up. With the T-14, they have at last adopted a layout that emphasises crew protection over size. According to a report in the Rossiyskaya Gazeta, the tank’s crewmembers are no longer distributed between the turret and the hull, but have all been placed in an armoured ‘capsule’ in the hull. The ammunition is stored in its own separate compartment, away from the crew. This compartment is armoured as well, and located to minimise the probability of a hit. It may also be equipped with blow-off panels to vent the explosion away from the crew and powertrain, thus preventing an ammunition deflagration from immobilising the vehicle. The turret—historically housing the gunner and commander’s stations—is now unmanned and remotely operated from within the hull.
There are two advantages to this arrangement. Firstly, a tank hull, by virtue of its location, is always less exposed to enemy fire than the turret, especially when fighting from defilade. This reduces the probability of a hit to the crew compartment. The upshot is that the crew is well-placed to survive the destruction of the turret or the ammunition—known as a ‘mission kill’—and make it back to base in one piece.
Secondly, in older tanks, the designers had to armour the hull (to protect the driver) as well as the turret (to protect the commander and gunner). So the quantity of armour that could be applied had to be carefully rationed between the turret and the hull. Any designed increase in armour at one location in one often came at the expense of the other. The T-14, with the entire crew placed in one dedicated compartment, eliminates this dilemma rather nicely. The bulk of the armour is now concentrated in around the crew, in the hull. On the whole, this results in protection levels far greater than those possible on rival tanks.
Nonetheless, this arrangement does necessitate a compromise in terms of situational awareness. In a conventional tank design, the commander could stand at his cupola above the turret and obtain a complete picture of his surroundings. But with the turret blocking half his view in the T-14, this is no longer possible. Some may claim that in the age of high-resolution cameras and infrared-sensors, the commander no longer needs to stick his head out of the turret; but experienced tankers tend to recoil in horror at such a suggestion, asserting that there is no real substitute for first-hand observation. Veteran tanker and Business Standard columnist Ajai Shukla observes, “Given that a commander MUST remain "opened up" for as long as possible, i.e. in eye contact with the battlefield until there is serious artillery shelling . . . this design simply does not hack it for me.”
It is plain to see why. An optical device, no matter how sophisticated, is always more cumbersome to handle than a pair of eyeballs. It needs to be pointed in a particular direction, focused, and swiveled to obtain a larger picture than displayed on a tiny screen or in a viewfinder; often while being jolted about as the tank travels over rough ground. These steps take far more time and energy than simply turning one’s head. Besides, the advanced sensors, electronics, and mechanicals only add to the list of complex devices that can fail or suffer damage from enemy fire, blinding the crew at the most inopportune moment. The placement of the commander’s hatch in close proximity to the turret presents another difficulty. The two are electronically interlocked—the turret cannot traverse unless the commander is safely inside the tank and his hatch is closed; else he stands the risk of being cut in
half. This leaves the tank unable to fight with the hatch open.
Nevertheless, the designers of the tank seem to have reasoned that the enhanced crew safety was well worth the trade-off in situational awareness and reaction time. Only time will tell whether this reasoning holds true.
FIREPOWER
Firepower is another area where the current generation of Russian tanks is lacking. This, too, is a direct outcome of the decision to use an automatic gun-loading mechanism in place of a manual loader. The constraints imposed by the lack of space and the configuration of the autoloader make it impossible for the tanks to use heavy, one-piece ammunition rounds. Instead, a different type of round consisting of two separate pieces, the propellant charge and projectile, is employed.
Now a bit of digression is in order here. For an armour-piercing round, the penetrating power is a direct product the length of the ‘kinetic energy penetrator’—the part that exits the gun and strikes an enemy tank. The main advantage of a single-piece round is that the penetrator can be made nearly as long as the cartridge. But in the case of a two-piece round, the length is limited by that of the projectile casing. For example, the penetrators fired by the American M1A1 and M1A2 tanks are said to be almost 800 mm long. In contrast, their Russian counterparts are only 570 mm in length.
That difference shows up in the penetrating power. The 3MB42 round that Russian tanks currently field is quickly becoming obsolete against newer composite armour technologies. It was reported in 2007 that it failed to penetrate the Arjun tank's Kanchan armour in tests carried out by the Indian Army. How it will fare against more advanced designs in service today—like the British Dorchester armour—is not hard to imagine.
The limitations of the ammunition do not extend to the existing 125-millimetre main gun, however. It was the powerful tank gun in the world when it made its debut on the T-64 tank, and the basic design remains competitive. Therefore, it is not surprising that the T-14’s designers decided equip it with a heavily modernised version of the same gun, with a higher muzzle velocity and reportedly greater accuracy. But it remains to be seen whether they have developed new ammunition to take full advantage of the gun’s firing power, or persisted with the existing two-piece ammunition.
The gun-launched missile, too, remains a big question mark. The beam-riding Refleks missile equipping the T-80 and T-90 tanks, which overcomes some of the shortcomings of the existing kinetic energy penetrator, itself suffers from certain limitations—chief among them being the guidance mechanism. The use of laser guidance requires tank’s fire control system has to illuminate the target throughout its flight. This prevents the gunner from acquiring other targets while the missile is in flight, and exposes the tank to counter fire as it comes into the enemy’s line of sight. The Sokol-1 missile, reportedly under development at present, is said to suffer from similar drawbacks. A true fire-and-forget missile with a built-in seeker would go a long way towards correcting that deficiency, and allow the tank to destroy targets at extreme range. Whether such a missile has been developed, or is even under consideration at present, is not known.
There are no such doubts about the viability of the secondary armament: a heavy machine gun operated remotely from within the crew compartment. The weapon fixes a critical vulnerability that MBTs face on the modern battlefield, a vulnerability the Russians discovered at great cost in Chechnya. During the First Chechen War, Russian tank columns routinely came under fire from rebels sited on building rooftops and armed with handheld anti-tank rockets. The tanks’ inability to shoot back at the attackers resulted in heavy losses on the Russian side. The T-14 has finally equipped tank crewmen with a weapon that can fire back at such targets across all elevation angles through independently stabilised sights, all while ensconced safely within the armoured capsule. With present-day military campaigns devolving into grinding urban combat against hardened insurgents, that capability is becoming increasingly crucial to achieving a successful outcome.
CLOSING REMARKS
The Russian armed forces and military-industrial complex have twice demonstrated the ability to develop exceptionally advanced armoured vehicles and then keep them secret until they were operationalised on a large-scale. The T-34 and the T-64 MBTs both took their opponents by complete surprise when they were initially revealed. The unveiling of what appear to be production versions of the T-14 tank at the Victory Day parade could be an attempt at a third iteration of this practice. It appears to have all the elements of a revolutionary design, a design that could set the standard for future MBT designs worldwide. But these features, however impressive, should be seen in the context of the Russian state’s overall economic health and the past performance of the weapons industry.
Weapons development in Russia has been starved of funds ever since the collapse of the USSR, with companies relying more on export orders than domestic procurement to fund their continued existence. The country’s recent exposure to Western sanctions and the economic contraction that followed is bound to worsen an already precarious situation. This raises several questions: Is the Russian armaments industry capable of effecting a turnaround and seeing the program through to completion? Are the production facilities capable of meeting the demands of large-scale deployment? Do they have the resources to sort out teething troubles with new technologies quickly and roll out fixes across the entire fleet?
It is tough to be optimistic while answering these questions. If the Indian experience is anything to go by, Russian corporations, hungry for exports, are often known to make tall claims, but they aren't always backed up by field performance. The engineering is pretty good, but the final product is nowhere near as slick as their marketing teams make it out to be. In the final analysis, the T-14 success will be determined not so much by its design specifications, but more by the industry’s ability to reverse its decline and deliver a working product on time and within a limited budget.
And that is a very tall order.
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India Mulls Buying Russia’s Armata to Develop Its Own Future Infantry Tank
http://idrw.org/india-mulls-buying-russias-armata-to-develop-its-own-future-infantry-tank/
India is considering to buy Russia’s new-generation Armata combat platform or some of its elements for future use in a new tank of its own, an Indian military expert said on Friday. “India plans to develop its own tank – the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) – and I believe that our budget allowing, we could buy the Armata, or at least some of its component parts, for study and future use in our new tank,” Samir Patil, a defense expert with India’s Gateway House analytical center, said in an interview with Sputnik.
Mt. Patil was commenting on Thursday’s statement by Russian presidential adviser on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin that Russia’s foreign partners, including China and India, had expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow.
The Armata tank’s big forte is its ability to serve as a platform for a flurry of new armed vehicles.
“I think India would like to purchase such a combat platform for its armed forces,” Samir Patil said.
He did not rule out the possible development with Russia of India’s much-needed “tank of the future”.
“Russia is the only country India is developing new weapons with. These are the PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jet and a multirole transport plane… I think another reason why we would like to jointly develop India’s new tank is that this answers the “Make in India” initiative put forward by PrimeMinister Narendra Modi. Its main objective is to attract foreign capital and technological investment in India for joint R&D and production,” Mr. Patil emphasized.
What makes the Armata tank stand out from its domestic and foreign counterparts is that the crew is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule separated from the ammunition container. The vehicle is fully computerized and only needs three servicemen to operate it.
The tank has an unmanned, remotely controlled turret, digitally controlled by a crew-member located in a separate compartment. It is believed that this would eventually lead to the development of a fully robotic tank.
Russia is scheduled to begin replacing its current T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks with Armata T-14s starting in 2020.
http://idrw.org/india-mulls-buying-russias-armata-to-develop-its-own-future-infantry-tank/
India is considering to buy Russia’s new-generation Armata combat platform or some of its elements for future use in a new tank of its own, an Indian military expert said on Friday. “India plans to develop its own tank – the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) – and I believe that our budget allowing, we could buy the Armata, or at least some of its component parts, for study and future use in our new tank,” Samir Patil, a defense expert with India’s Gateway House analytical center, said in an interview with Sputnik.
Mt. Patil was commenting on Thursday’s statement by Russian presidential adviser on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin that Russia’s foreign partners, including China and India, had expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow.
The Armata tank’s big forte is its ability to serve as a platform for a flurry of new armed vehicles.
“I think India would like to purchase such a combat platform for its armed forces,” Samir Patil said.
He did not rule out the possible development with Russia of India’s much-needed “tank of the future”.
“Russia is the only country India is developing new weapons with. These are the PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jet and a multirole transport plane… I think another reason why we would like to jointly develop India’s new tank is that this answers the “Make in India” initiative put forward by PrimeMinister Narendra Modi. Its main objective is to attract foreign capital and technological investment in India for joint R&D and production,” Mr. Patil emphasized.
What makes the Armata tank stand out from its domestic and foreign counterparts is that the crew is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule separated from the ammunition container. The vehicle is fully computerized and only needs three servicemen to operate it.
The tank has an unmanned, remotely controlled turret, digitally controlled by a crew-member located in a separate compartment. It is believed that this would eventually lead to the development of a fully robotic tank.
Russia is scheduled to begin replacing its current T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks with Armata T-14s starting in 2020.
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India Interested in Purchasing Russia’s Armata – Putin’s Aide
http://idrw.org/india-interested-in-purchasing-russias-armata-putins-aide/
Russia’s foreign partners, including China and India, have expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow, including the Armata tank, Russian Presidential Aide Vladimir Kozhin has told the Izvestia newspaper.
“To a larger extent it is our traditional partners: India, China and South-East Asia,” Kozhin said, adding, however, that although “interest [in the new technology] has been expressed,” foreign buyers are “satisfied” with the current contracts on the delivery of Russian equipment.
The Russian Defense Ministry unveiled its new Armata battle tank at the Victory Day military parade held in Moscow on May 9 in celebration of WWII victory over Nazi Germany.
The tank is operated by a crew of three, housed in an armored capsule at the front. Its main armament includes a 7.62 mm remote-control machine gun and a 125 mm smoothbore cannon.
Russia’s defense industry was targeted by Western sanctions imposed against the country over Moscow’s alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis. According to Kozhin, the restrictions have not affected Russia’s arms exports and could never lead to the collapse of the country’s defense industry.
http://idrw.org/india-interested-in-purchasing-russias-armata-putins-aide/
Russia’s foreign partners, including China and India, have expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow, including the Armata tank, Russian Presidential Aide Vladimir Kozhin has told the Izvestia newspaper.
“To a larger extent it is our traditional partners: India, China and South-East Asia,” Kozhin said, adding, however, that although “interest [in the new technology] has been expressed,” foreign buyers are “satisfied” with the current contracts on the delivery of Russian equipment.
The Russian Defense Ministry unveiled its new Armata battle tank at the Victory Day military parade held in Moscow on May 9 in celebration of WWII victory over Nazi Germany.
The tank is operated by a crew of three, housed in an armored capsule at the front. Its main armament includes a 7.62 mm remote-control machine gun and a 125 mm smoothbore cannon.
Russia’s defense industry was targeted by Western sanctions imposed against the country over Moscow’s alleged role in the Ukrainian crisis. According to Kozhin, the restrictions have not affected Russia’s arms exports and could never lead to the collapse of the country’s defense industry.
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India Mulls Buying Russia’s Armata to Develop Its Own Future Infantry Tank
http://idrw.org/india-mulls-buying-russias-armata-to-develop-its-own-future-infantry-tank/
India is considering to buy Russia’s new-generation Armata combat platform or some of its elements for future use in a new tank of its own, an Indian military expert said on Friday. “India plans to develop its own tank – the Future Infantry Combat Vehicle (FICV) – and I believe that our budget allowing, we could buy the Armata, or at least some of its component parts, for study and future use in our new tank,” Samir Patil, a defense expert with India’s Gateway House analytical center, said in an interview with Sputnik.
Mt. Patil was commenting on Thursday’s statement by Russian presidential adviser on military-technical cooperation Vladimir Kozhin that Russia’s foreign partners, including China and India, had expressed interest in purchasing new military equipment presented at the May 9 Victory Day parade in Moscow.
The Armata tank’s big forte is its ability to serve as a platform for a flurry of new armed vehicles.
“I think India would like to purchase such a combat platform for its armed forces,” Samir Patil said.
He did not rule out the possible development with Russia of India’s much-needed “tank of the future”.
“Russia is the only country India is developing new weapons with. These are the PAK FA fifth-generation fighter jet and a multirole transport plane… I think another reason why we would like to jointly develop India’s new tank is that this answers the “Make in India” initiative put forward by PrimeMinister Narendra Modi. Its main objective is to attract foreign capital and technological investment in India for joint R&D and production,” Mr. Patil emphasized.
What makes the Armata tank stand out from its domestic and foreign counterparts is that the crew is securely enclosed in a multi-layer armored capsule separated from the ammunition container. The vehicle is fully computerized and only needs three servicemen to operate it.
The tank has an unmanned, remotely controlled turret, digitally controlled by a crew-member located in a separate compartment. It is believed that this would eventually lead to the development of a fully robotic tank.
Russia is scheduled to begin replacing its current T-72, T-80 and T-90 tanks with Armata T-14s starting in 2020.
Please I hope to god India makes / designs FMBT indigenously.
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http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/vehicles/tanks/merkava/MerkavaMk4.html
Please I hope to god India makes / designs FMBT indigenously.
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Please explain what do you mean?
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Please I hope to god India makes / designs FMBT indigenously.
If they like, they can take support of Israel also.
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Armata is 3rd generation tank.....its totally new design from chassis to cabin.....it cant be compared to arjun......it doesn't meen that we should stop our indigenous plans..... the best we can do is buy few n copy it in ours (Chinese strategy)....if we can do
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Arjun is not the perfect Tank, nor it is the best in the category-- however much the fan boys may argue.
@Zebra above has shown the improvements that have gone into the Merkeva over a period of time and all this is on the basis of field trials and operations in Gaza/Lebanon.
DRDO because of it's chalet hai attitude has played into the hands of the import brigade. Lack of spares should not be a reason for the IA to reject the tank.
@Zebra above has shown the improvements that have gone into the Merkeva over a period of time and all this is on the basis of field trials and operations in Gaza/Lebanon.
DRDO because of it's chalet hai attitude has played into the hands of the import brigade. Lack of spares should not be a reason for the IA to reject the tank.
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Can the electronics and crew compartment of Armata withstand indian desert heat?
In the previous T-90 scam purchase the orders for thousands were placed without even testing it in indian hot conditions, which led to its disqualification to fight in indian hot desert conditions for prolonged period without AC. And fitting the Ac will compromise the ruggedness of the T-90 to a larger extent,(a small arm fire damage will spook Ac).
WIthout even knowing these asking for Armata Vs Arjun debate is infantile.
Arjun on the contrary was and being extensively tested in various indian hot and arid conditions and already qualified to operate without Ac for prolonged period in indian deserts.
Also both Arjun and Armata are in the 60 ton weight class.
And many unnamed "army officers" "candidly" lying that while 50 ton T-90 can operate on 40 ton british built bridges while 60 ton Arjun cannot, will be tongue tied forever , when they are asked about their opinion on Armata on this count!!!
So the long held criticism of Arjun being overweight at 60 tons is finally laid to rest.
Because if you want state of the art armor protection for even three men crew you need 60 ton weight is now accepted by Russians finally adopting the same western high weight high armor high profile MBT design specs , which was put in Arjun eons ago.
Remote control turret and all are just fancy specs. If IA really wanted that they can ask CVRDE to design Arjun mk3 on those lines.
We can now easily understand why IA failed to give final GSQR specs to CVRDE for FMBT.They waited for Armata to make those specs is plain for all to see,
But Armata only proves the universal validity of Arjuns heavy weight , heavy armor design philosophy . SO there is no need for Armata in IA.
I dont think IA can fool the the present DM by not releasing FMBT for ever. He will see the specs of armata and Arjun and has enough technical knowledge to know the future course of action.
The failure of all the contenders in multi cal tender rifle trials in demanding climatic conditions once again proves that weapons primarily designed in predominantly colder countries cant be readily transferred here and expected to operate flawlessly.
Also now we have an IIT grad as DM who boldly called the IAF chief's bluff of there is no plan B for MMRCA , with a precise claim of upgraded Su-30 MKI being the planB.
SO the days of tech dummy UPA DMs being fooled around by services types are over by now.
In the previous T-90 scam purchase the orders for thousands were placed without even testing it in indian hot conditions, which led to its disqualification to fight in indian hot desert conditions for prolonged period without AC. And fitting the Ac will compromise the ruggedness of the T-90 to a larger extent,(a small arm fire damage will spook Ac).
WIthout even knowing these asking for Armata Vs Arjun debate is infantile.
Arjun on the contrary was and being extensively tested in various indian hot and arid conditions and already qualified to operate without Ac for prolonged period in indian deserts.
Also both Arjun and Armata are in the 60 ton weight class.
And many unnamed "army officers" "candidly" lying that while 50 ton T-90 can operate on 40 ton british built bridges while 60 ton Arjun cannot, will be tongue tied forever , when they are asked about their opinion on Armata on this count!!!
So the long held criticism of Arjun being overweight at 60 tons is finally laid to rest.
Because if you want state of the art armor protection for even three men crew you need 60 ton weight is now accepted by Russians finally adopting the same western high weight high armor high profile MBT design specs , which was put in Arjun eons ago.
Remote control turret and all are just fancy specs. If IA really wanted that they can ask CVRDE to design Arjun mk3 on those lines.
We can now easily understand why IA failed to give final GSQR specs to CVRDE for FMBT.They waited for Armata to make those specs is plain for all to see,
But Armata only proves the universal validity of Arjuns heavy weight , heavy armor design philosophy . SO there is no need for Armata in IA.
I dont think IA can fool the the present DM by not releasing FMBT for ever. He will see the specs of armata and Arjun and has enough technical knowledge to know the future course of action.
The failure of all the contenders in multi cal tender rifle trials in demanding climatic conditions once again proves that weapons primarily designed in predominantly colder countries cant be readily transferred here and expected to operate flawlessly.
Also now we have an IIT grad as DM who boldly called the IAF chief's bluff of there is no plan B for MMRCA , with a precise claim of upgraded Su-30 MKI being the planB.
SO the days of tech dummy UPA DMs being fooled around by services types are over by now.
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- The concept of an unmanned turret has been around for years now. It has been discussed in DFI for pages since several years ago. I have not heard an iota of noise from anybody in the Indian Army about going in that direction. A sudden desire to go in that direction, now, would be a good candidate for being branded a knee-jerk reaction.
- The reduction of turret size in the T-14 Armata is a direct result of making the turret crew-less. This has been achieved by several years of research, trial, and testing by the Russians. They have arrived at this point because they were able to start this project several years ago.
- Operating an unmanned turret is a major technological challenge. Even if India has to master this portion of design, this will take years, if done indigenously. One should, however, not expect the Russian Federation to mollycoddle and spoon-feed India that way the USSR did. It is time to wean ourselves off the Soviet mama's tits.
- The T-14 Armata is a thoroughly designed idea, and it is not an iteration of the existing platforms, but a new concept. That fact that the Russians were able to produce this is a result of years of experience building tanks, that can be traced back to the T-34 and IS-1 tanks.
- The T-14 Armata will probably manifest small and not so small defects, which the Russians will rectify over a period of time, and what is good to know, is that this will not deter the introduction of the T-14 in service, while issues are being fixed. We need to let a few months pass, so that we can learn about the new challenges this new design throws up.
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To know the efficacy of unmanned trials with full of electronics for [prolonged operations in indian hot desert conditions will require extensive trials.
What is important to note is most of the trial ballon pieces floated by ,"eggspurt" defence analysts in this thread are maintaining a conspiracy of silence on this aspect, knowing fully well the legions of troubles being faced by T-90 on this count.
What are the efficacy of armored crew modules of Armata to with stand the indian desert heat for prolonged operations.
Will they also need an exteranlly mounted Ac , which is ready to pop out on the hint of small arms fire or sharpnell from arti fire,which will compromise the tank's ability to operate in indian conditions?
Because Ac systems are always vulnerable to small arms fire. while it is welcome as crew comfort spec, a tank which has to operate in hot indian summers in punishing indian desert conditions shouldn't critically depend upon it for survival.
Why the so called "eggspurts" floating spurious pieces on "india's interests in Armata " are silent on this is a dead give away behind the patriot games being played here.
Right now only Arjun can qualify on this critical condition of operation for IA. No other in service tank in the world qualifies for IA, let alone a prototype like Armata.
What is important to note is most of the trial ballon pieces floated by ,"eggspurt" defence analysts in this thread are maintaining a conspiracy of silence on this aspect, knowing fully well the legions of troubles being faced by T-90 on this count.
What are the efficacy of armored crew modules of Armata to with stand the indian desert heat for prolonged operations.
Will they also need an exteranlly mounted Ac , which is ready to pop out on the hint of small arms fire or sharpnell from arti fire,which will compromise the tank's ability to operate in indian conditions?
Because Ac systems are always vulnerable to small arms fire. while it is welcome as crew comfort spec, a tank which has to operate in hot indian summers in punishing indian desert conditions shouldn't critically depend upon it for survival.
Why the so called "eggspurts" floating spurious pieces on "india's interests in Armata " are silent on this is a dead give away behind the patriot games being played here.
Right now only Arjun can qualify on this critical condition of operation for IA. No other in service tank in the world qualifies for IA, let alone a prototype like Armata.
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Samir Patil is a nobody.
IA may be dithering about FMBT. Rather some quarters of IA. The kind of guys who are by now easily recognizable. But with the larger system being handled by a completely different kind of people and with both the ruling and the opposition parties on it together there is no hope for imports.
DRDO/CVRDE is making steady progress on its 1500 hp engine (upgradable to 1800 hp max.). Refer TechFocus April 2014. Which should be sufficient for all types of vehicles that can be based on such big engines. The engine from EoI stage itself was meant for a 'family of engines'.
Somebody must have given assurances to CVRDE, that is why they are working on it.
IA may be dithering about FMBT. Rather some quarters of IA. The kind of guys who are by now easily recognizable. But with the larger system being handled by a completely different kind of people and with both the ruling and the opposition parties on it together there is no hope for imports.
DRDO/CVRDE is making steady progress on its 1500 hp engine (upgradable to 1800 hp max.). Refer TechFocus April 2014. Which should be sufficient for all types of vehicles that can be based on such big engines. The engine from EoI stage itself was meant for a 'family of engines'.
Somebody must have given assurances to CVRDE, that is why they are working on it.
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I too had to begin writing on here after I saw a lot of patriot games at many places.
No space will be left for these kala-angrez coconuts, in time. Keep chipping away and mountains will give way.
