Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

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now this is good news but still the orders are less more order should come. great news.
Something is better than nothing. Lets hope in future army place more orders.
A sad news for indigenous defense prowess. Eventually, DGMF was successful in sabotaging a better tank (Arjun) at the cost of T-90.
We should be more happy with the fact that The Arjun is no longer capped at 124 tanks.

The new order of another 124 tanks is very good news as this means that the cap on the number of Arjuns no longer applies.

With the Army finally recognising the Arjun as the superior vehicle.

It can now bolster it tank corps , with Arjun's whenever needed.

It also means that IA , now cannot import more tanks.
As there is now have a fully functioning and capable indigenous alternative.

Unless IA can explain to the defence ministry , why more imported T-90's are needed , when a perfectly sound India tank is already in production and inducted.

If IA wants more MBT's this decade then those already on order.
which now includes

186 Arjun MBT's
~1000 T-90's

all new MBT's order from now to 2020 have to be Arjun's .

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This statement , that was almost the nail in the coffin of the Arjun tank

the Indian Army has confirmed that the Arjun's production will be capped at 124 units. Lt General Dalip Bharadwaj, the Director General for the Mechanized Infantry, said that "Army will place no more orders for Arjun beyond 124 that was already contracted",
This now means absolutely nothing.

No cap , now mean new order's for the tank whenever during this decade.
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I think now we can now hold true to General Dalip Bharadwaj's eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee , other statement

Later in the year 2009, during the handing over of Arjun tanks, he said that the joint effort , and the will to succeed against all odds displayed by various agencies in putting out MBT Arjun. Proved to the world that India was a force to reckon with when it came to weapon design capabilities. The Army, which was proud to possess the tank, was confident that MBT Arjun would rank among the best tanks in the world.
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gobot I am also in line with your thinking that some thing is better then nothing but DD has a point after this much of circus what is the out put a mere 124 more tanks and end of the story the leather hunt begins again mean while inferior products will keep getting order and will be upgraded again and again. Now a good situation to be in
 

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congratulations guys, and drdo, though the number reordered is really disappointing. i was atleast expecting the number to be double to this.
 

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Anti-Arjun brigade within army is bending, this time sadly only by 15*, optimistically, they will bend more soon or Arjun performance will force them bend.

Best deal will be to limit T-72 up gradation plans to upto 50% and rest of the money shall go towards procuring new Arjun.
 

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now this is good news but still the orders are less more order should come. great news.
Something is better than nothing. Lets hope in future army place more orders.
gobot I am also in line with your thinking that some thing is better then nothing but DD has a point after this much of circus what is the out put a mere 124 more tanks and end of the story the leather hunt begins again mean while inferior products will keep getting order and will be upgraded again and again. Now a good situation to be in
Your right but ,

Last time its was 124 tanks and then capped

This time it was 124 tanks and no cap.

And considering the success of the trials , i cant really see how More T-90's can be purchased.

Don't look at the numbers , but focus on the fact that the Arjun has broke free of all those who tried to keep it down.

whatever way you look at it , we can only produce said amount of tanks at a time , so strictly speaking how long will it take for us to produce the 186 tanks yet to be delivered.
another 2-3 years.
It takes us nearly 10 years to make 1000 T-90's (already purchased) , similar time frame must also be true for Arjun.

What are the chance's more Arjuns can be ordered before the current order is fulfilled .
remember Akash , orders for it came out of the blue , why because there was need and an Indigenous alternative tried and proved to plug the gap was available
The same is now true for Arjun , when they want more tanks they will get the Arjun.

How long will the newly approved Arjun Mk-2 take to reach fruition.(notice how the akash system is also approved for Mk-2)
Keep in mind that the Mk-2 is only an upgrade of the Tanks subsystems not the entire vehicle it self.
Te biggest challenges are probably an EW or may be an Active protection system, if those are not present on the tank , i cant imagine what the Mk-2 would be like , but it would most likely take very little time to get it ready , if they still are going for the Kaveri turbine engine , that might take some time.

Keep in mind DRDO's recent revamp and the formation of the DTC , which now gives the organisation even more say in defence procurements.
given the results of the trials and subsequent events.

Do you really think IA can try to pass a procurement order for more tanks to foreign suppliers ?
The defence ministry and DRDO would never allow it.
 
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The reason given by the army earlier to cap the production of the Arjun (after the deficiencies were mitigated) was that it was too heavy and that the army had to change its logistics equipment to effectively utilize the new tank in the army strategic plan (Arjun is 10 tonnes heavier than T-90). However, the tanks are not going to get lighter. So, it would be prudent for the army to invest in logistical equipment now along with purchasing Arjun MBT (in stages if necessary) to wean itself off Russia and help in creating a home-grown military industrial complex.
 

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Indian Army To Buy Second Batch of Arjun Tanks

Indian Army To Buy Second Batch of Arjun Tanks
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 17 May 2010 13:49


NEW DELHI - The Indian Army has ordered and placed fresh orders for purchase of additional 124 homemade Arjun tanks following March comparative trials with the Russian-built T-90 tank.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation, which produced the tank, has been urging the Army, which ordered an initial 124 tanks, to order a second batch to make the assembly line economical.

"The project for the design and development of the MBT Arjun was approved by the government in 1974 with an aim to give the required indigenous cutting edge to our Mechanized Forces," a May 17 press release from India's Defence Ministry said. "After many years of trial and tribulation, it has now proved its worth by its superb performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets, accurately hitting targets - both stationary and moving, with pinpointed accuracy.

"Its superior firepower is based on accurate and quick target acquisition capability during day and night in all types of weather," the press release added.

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4629416&c=ASI&s=LAN
 

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Army already has a 45-tank regiment of Arjuns, which were delivered to the Army by the Avadi-based Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) in the middle of last year.

Indian Army placed its first order for 124 Arjun MBTs in 2004, of which nearly 50 have been delivered by the HVF. The Defence Ministry had last week decided to go in for the development of second-generation of Arjun tanks to give a boost the Indian Heavy tank development for Arjun MKII to pave the way for it's R&D.

How long is it going to be for Indian army to receive rest of the 74 tanks that due to be delivered & how long is it going to take for the new 124 Arjun's to be delivered since the first deal is still not fullfilled ?.
 

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gobot this purchase is more like a consolation price and a ploy to start a new wild goose chase (at least till now)
 

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Great news for DRDO. Congrats to them. Looks like finally the Arjun will finally get the credit it deserved.

But just putting in my conspiracy theory in, it may also be part of a plan to put pressure on Russia to transfer key techs on the T-90 which they are yet to part with. So if they want to keep their tech with themselves then india will well use its own tanks. Also bargain on the T72 upgrades. Give the russians credit for the success of the Arjun tanks. It anyways was a better tank than the T-90.
 

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Good, it seems the Russians ran out of deal-sweetening friendly liaisons for the Indian generals. Hope they buy more.
 

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All this hoopla about 124 more Arjuns is just a deal to keep political (read media)pressure off the generals collective back nothing more nothing less.
 

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Chagrined army places additional orders for 124 Arjun Main Battle Tanks
17 May 2010


New Delhi: A chagrined Indian Army on Monday placed a fresh order for an additional 124 'Arjun' Main Battle Tanks, finally conceding the battle worthiness, and the superiority, of this indigenously developed design over much-hyped foreign developed imports. The battle for an unqualified acceptance of the Arjun as a product at par with, and indeed superior to comparable products, either Western or Russian, was a long drawn one and was clinched at the comparative trials conducted in March this year at the Mahajan firing ranges in Rajasthan.
Today would indeed be a red-letter day for DRDO scientists, past and present, involved with this long drawn-out programme.
The order would also come as a slap in the face of persistent media critics who have taken pathological delight at the trials and tribulations that this indigenous development programme have had to suffer across all sectors and decades. The last such report from a respected media source, issued before the March 2010 trials, indeed accused the DRDO of ramming the Arjun down the throats of the army. If only the DRDO had such pervasive influence!
"The Army has decided to place fresh order for an additional home-built 124 Main Battle Tank Arjun. This is over and above the existing order of 124 tanks. The development follows the success of the indigenous MBT Arjun in the recent gruelling desert trials," a defence ministry spokesperson said here.

The additional 124 MBTs will allow the Army to raise an additional two regiments of these indigenously developed tanks. The Army already has inducted the original order of 124 tanks and the production line set aside for their production at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi near Chennai.
"After many years of trials and tribulations, the tank has now proved its worth by its superb performance under various circumstances, such as driving cross-country over rugged sand dunes, detecting, observing and quickly engaging targets and accurately hitting targets, both stationary and moving with pinpoint accuracy," the spokesperson said.
The Arjun/T-90 shoot-out
Strangely, the greatest favour the Arjun Main Battle Tank project ever received was from the Indian Army itself when stand-in army chief General Shankar Roy Chowdhary placed the first orders for the tank in a bid to industrialise the technology that had been developed by the DRDO. Though DRDO scientists breathed a sigh of relief, the attacks from interested quarters, both from within the army and outside, only increased in intensity. Defence imports are a big-ticket business after all.
Refusing to buckle under unceasing pressure from the army to wind up the programme and shift to developing a ''futuristic'', or Mark II version, of the Arjun, project scientists from the Defence and Research Development Organisation (DRDO) insisted on a showdown with the much touted Russian T-90, which the army had begun peddling as a panacea for all its armour related needs.
Faced with persistent demands from the DRDO the army initially tried its best to squirm out of a one-on-one with the T-90, rightly fearing that all its tall claims about the T-90, and critically, its determined campaign to run down all aspects of the Arjun MBT, would stand exposed.
Failing in its efforts to dilly dally its way through the process of organising such a one-on-one with the T-90 it finally held a summer trial in the deserts of Rajasthan this year only after letting it be known that this wasn't a 'comparative trial' but only a test to figure out the 'operational role' for the Arjun MBT.
The results of the March comparative trials, it is now being let known, was a shocker for the Indian Army top brass, who attended the test in surprisingly large numbers, with the Arjun outperforming and outgunning the T-90 in all departments of the game.
The T-90 currently serving with the Indian Army after all upgrades costs Rs17 crore, as against an Rs16 crore price tag for the Arjun. Larger orders for the Arjun will further bring down per unit costs.
The defence ministry decided last week to go in for the development of the second-generation of Arjun tanks.

http://www.domainb.com/defence/land/indian_army/20100517_arjun_main_battle_tanks_oneView.html
 

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congrats to drdo . hope army would buy 124 more so that process of Indigenous can fast tracked .plus i want to ask can ministry of defense arm twist army to place more order for arjun as they have now proven to be better than t-90 so why waste money on upgrading t-72.(sorry i know its crude suggestion for arm twisting army but as we know they far behind when it comes to go for Indigenous products)
 

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gobot this purchase is more like a consolation price and a ploy to start a new wild goose chase (at least till now)
I guess it is to early for me to say otherwise .
I however feel differently and viewing one dimensionally as a numbers game , will get us no where.

keep in mind , a lot of high ranking people attended those trials and saw the results first hand.
Including key defence ministry personal.
Also remember that all procurement tenders have to approved by defence ministry and DRDO , before being passed on to foreign suppliers .
With the formation of the DTC and the Arjun clear success at the trials.
IA now has no choice but to eventually go in for more Arjuns , they will need new tanks soon enough , when the procurement order is places , unless Arjun can't meet the specs the order will not be passed to foreign suppliers

This was not so much about getting the Arjun out there in numbers , but more about proving it as a realized mature platform.
Before the Arjun was sidelined with a cap of 124 tanks.
Now this is no longer the case
 
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I guess it is to early for me to say otherwise .
I however feel differently and viewing one dimensionally as a numbers game , will get us no where.

keep in mind , a lot of high ranking people attended those trials and saw the results first hand.
Including key defence ministry personal.
Also remember that all procurement tenders have to approved by defence ministry and DRDO , before being passed on to foreign suppliers .
With the formation of the DTC and the Arjun clear success at the trials.
IA now has no choice but to eventually go in for more Arjuns , they will need new tanks soon enough , when the procurement order is places , unless Arjun can't meet the specs the order will not be passed to foreign suppliers
Here is the indication of wild goose chase again :)
 

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Generation 2.0: Arjun Mk-2

Path for the development of the Second generation of Arjun Mk-2 has been cleared recently by the Ministry of Defence and funding allocated , while the Army has ordered more 124 Arjun Mk-1 to keep the production line in Avadi busy till the Arjun Mk-2 will start rolling out from 2013-14 onwards . DRDO rather than starting all over again the Arjun MK-2 will have the same design of Arjun MK-1, but major changes are planned for the new generation variant of Arjun Tank to keep up with the new technological changes which are been incorporated in the MBT's world over .

Arjun MK-2 will have Battle Field Management System (BFMS) which will enable the tank to get feed from UAV's and Helicopters, which then enable the Arjun mk-2 tank crew much aware of their surroundings and better understanding of the battle zone, this will lead to improvement in coordinating with other Friendly tanks in the zone and also avoid Friendly kills, it will also give information regarding enemy tank movement along with their troops and help navigate terrain in the battle zone.

Self-diagnostic system (SDS) will also be added to Arjun Mk-2 which is like a health monitoring system. it will not only tell the tank crew if it is having any problem but also point out the trouble area , it is also important when Tank has taken multiple hits from different position and from different ammunition after a self-diagnose Tank crew will know exact damage inflicted on the Tank .

Arjun Mk-2 will get a new efficient 1500bhp engine which has been in development by DRDO in India its self, they are reports that a Indian Private industry is also working with DRDO on the engine development, currently Arjun MK-1 is powered by German supplied 1400bhp engine which is quite old in design and technical parameters but still a powerful and respected engine in the world.

NERA (non-explosive reactive armor) will be added to Arjun Mk-2 this will give the tank additional protection against anti-tank munitions, unlike ERA, NERA will enable tank to take multiple hits anti-tank munitions, but also increase the weight of Arjun MK-2 to 60 tons from its current weight (Arjun MK-1) of 58 tons.

It is much likely that Arjun Mk-2 will also spot Air-conditioning system for the crew, which will be powered from an APU which will draw its power from the Main engine of the Tank; this will enable the tank crew to operate in higher temperature of desert heat without any discomfort to the tank crew, Arjun MK-1 already has hardened electronics that function perfectly even in the Rajasthan summer without requiring any Air-conditioning system.

More changes will take place in Arjun Mk-2, above mentioned are mostly likely changes which will take place in the new variant.

http://idrw.org/?p=1718#more-1718
 

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but also increase the weight of Arjun MK-2 to 60 tons from its current weight (Arjun MK-1) of 58 tons.
The army is critisizing the 58 ton weight how will they accept a 60 ton tank
 

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Self-diagnostic system (SDS) will also be added to Arjun Mk-2 which is like a health monitoring system. it will not only tell the tank crew if it is having any problem but also point out the trouble area , it is also important when Tank has taken multiple hits from different position and from different ammunition after a self-diagnose Tank crew will know exact damage inflicted on the Tank .


Some thing like this is already placed inside the Arjun tank.
 

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