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We wanted a more contemporary turret design they had one! it's that simple but like i said it's all unsubstantiated.
Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)
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ahh.
Why are we comparing Arjun with T-90.yeah I know that these two are the current MBT of the IA but still the criteria on which we should make a tank is that suits our soldier and not that is better or worse than the others. About Arjun i want to say that it is one of the best tanks i have seen for IA having all the requirements demanded by IA. If we look at the latest position of the T-90 then these tanks are in the phase of retirement from Russian army. T-90 must be a damn good tank but remember that it was made keeping the requirements of the russian army and on the other hand arjun is made exclusively for the IA to operate accordingly with all the latest features. No doubt that arjun is going to be the future MBT of the IA and instead of procurring more t-90s goverment should lay more emphasis on arjun.
Why are we comparing Arjun with T-90.yeah I know that these two are the current MBT of the IA but still the criteria on which we should make a tank is that suits our soldier and not that is better or worse than the others. About Arjun i want to say that it is one of the best tanks i have seen for IA having all the requirements demanded by IA. If we look at the latest position of the T-90 then these tanks are in the phase of retirement from Russian army. T-90 must be a damn good tank but remember that it was made keeping the requirements of the russian army and on the other hand arjun is made exclusively for the IA to operate accordingly with all the latest features. No doubt that arjun is going to be the future MBT of the IA and instead of procurring more t-90s goverment should lay more emphasis on arjun.
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we mate we can sell it iran also if they really want it(of course arjun 2 must be ready by the time)
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Dude, money rules!!! If Israel is ready to pay us or give something of equal value in exchange then we should not mind selling them even nukes or BM. Same goes of ME countries, if they are ready to pay we should be ready to sell.
As a matter of fact all the western countries do the same, so why should we stay behind. Every one plays two sided game so its high time we play for our advantage.
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Mahindra ,BAE SYSTEMS JOINT VENTURE DECLARED OPERATIONAL
Defence Land Systems India is a 74% - 26% joint venture between Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd., India and BAE Systems. Defence Land Systems India is headquartered in New Delhi.The company is focused on the manufacture of up-armoured light vehicles, specialist military vehicles, mine protected vehicles, artillery systems and other selected land system weapons, support and upgrades.
http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2010/05/mahindra-bae-systems-joint-venture.html
Defence Land Systems India is a 74% - 26% joint venture between Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd., India and BAE Systems. Defence Land Systems India is headquartered in New Delhi.The company is focused on the manufacture of up-armoured light vehicles, specialist military vehicles, mine protected vehicles, artillery systems and other selected land system weapons, support and upgrades.
http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2010/05/mahindra-bae-systems-joint-venture.html
I am 100% agree with it. Maximum ambient temperature at western (Europe) or eastern border (China) of Russia is around 20C. That is the same temperature of a AC room in India at pick summer. Most of the plain area where tank battle may happen remains several inch deep snow in winter. When the snow melts and tanks run on it, whole area will become a vast mud field & their is possibility that a lot of tanks will stuck in mud or become disable. So emphasis is on quantity. All these are non factors in India, unless we are going to use large number of tanks in hilly LOC with Pak or in Ladak/ AP with China that is almost impossible
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ARJUN MBT: A Retrospective On Its Transmission System
The first two shots are pages from the April 1985 edition of the Indian Defence Science Journal, in which M Natarajan, widely considered to be the father of the Arjun tank project, and who retired last year as Chief of DRDO, writes about the Arjun's transmission which was then being attempted indigenously. The last grab shows you the transmission that the Arjun finally had to use. Oh well. Discussions are on at the moment over additional Arjuns for the Army. Stay tuned for updates.
http://livefist.blogspot.com/
The first two shots are pages from the April 1985 edition of the Indian Defence Science Journal, in which M Natarajan, widely considered to be the father of the Arjun tank project, and who retired last year as Chief of DRDO, writes about the Arjun's transmission which was then being attempted indigenously. The last grab shows you the transmission that the Arjun finally had to use. Oh well. Discussions are on at the moment over additional Arjuns for the Army. Stay tuned for updates.
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I really don't know weather to be happy with this or not as this puts final coffin in the nail for present configuration although it is superior to what we are having for now not a good show. I think MK II wil meet the similar fate DGMF don't want home grown products at all. MoD should decide not to waste resources on this exercise
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article428914.ece
With Arjun's performance in the comparative trials with Russian T-90 tanks coming in for praise and it proving itself to be a superior tank, the decision to go in for a second generation Arjun Mk-II tanks is only an indication that the Army would be inducting more of these tanks in the future.
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article428914.ece
With Arjun's performance in the comparative trials with Russian T-90 tanks coming in for praise and it proving itself to be a superior tank, the decision to go in for a second generation Arjun Mk-II tanks is only an indication that the Army would be inducting more of these tanks in the future.
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Indian Government Decided to go for 2nd Gen Arjun Main Battle Tank
The Indian government Thursday decided to go for the second generation of main battle tank Arjun and Akash surface-to-air missile to be developed by the premier Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Annoucing a slew of measures to revitalise the DRDO in form and substance, Defence Minister A.K. Antony also approved the continuation of Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) for design and development of combat aircraft and of the Kaveri aero-engine programme, defence spokesman Sitanshu Kar said.
"The decision also includes development of (main battle tank) MBT Arjun Mk-II and Akash Mk-II by the DRDO and selection of industry partners by DRDO through a transparent process by evolving a suitable mechanism," Kar said in a statement. The decision was taken after Arjun's performance in the comparative trials with Russian T-90 tanks came in for praise as it proved to be a superior tank.
The army has placed orders for 124 Arjun tanks, of which about 50 tanks were finally handed over to it last year to form a regiment. The government also announced the setting up of a new Defence Technology Commission to provide a major boost to research and development and decided the de-centralisation of DRDO management and making it a leaner organisation by merging some of its laboratories with other public-funded institutions.
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/
The Indian government Thursday decided to go for the second generation of main battle tank Arjun and Akash surface-to-air missile to be developed by the premier Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO). Annoucing a slew of measures to revitalise the DRDO in form and substance, Defence Minister A.K. Antony also approved the continuation of Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) for design and development of combat aircraft and of the Kaveri aero-engine programme, defence spokesman Sitanshu Kar said.
"The decision also includes development of (main battle tank) MBT Arjun Mk-II and Akash Mk-II by the DRDO and selection of industry partners by DRDO through a transparent process by evolving a suitable mechanism," Kar said in a statement. The decision was taken after Arjun's performance in the comparative trials with Russian T-90 tanks came in for praise as it proved to be a superior tank.
The army has placed orders for 124 Arjun tanks, of which about 50 tanks were finally handed over to it last year to form a regiment. The government also announced the setting up of a new Defence Technology Commission to provide a major boost to research and development and decided the de-centralisation of DRDO management and making it a leaner organisation by merging some of its laboratories with other public-funded institutions.
http://theasiandefence.blogspot.com/
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http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/05/exclusive-indias-future-main-battle.html
India's Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT)
The Indian Army is still juggling concepts of precisely what it wants from its Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT), but information shared with LiveFist provides a rare broad glimpse into work very much in progress as far as qualitative requirements for the future platform go. The Army's FMBT wish-list, in no particular order follows.
The Army insists that stealth be built into the FMBT from the ground up -- including paints/materials to provide limited invisibility in IR/visible spectrum and for scrambling and avoidance of detection. The Indian Army wants the tank to have an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system "to obviate chances of own tanks firing at each other in battle", and a whole new reliable and secure mobile communication system capable of data transmission, audio and video conference. Protection in the form of soft-kill system requires IR detectors, laser warning, radar warning and devices to instantaneously integrate these signals and control a countermeasure suite. Such systems are threat specific so all would have to be carried on a vehicle to gain protection against more than one part of the EM threat spectrum.
The new tank necessarily needs to espouse hybrid electric vehicle technology and incorporate digital vehicle electronics (vetronics) to provide intra-vehicle and inter-vehicle communication capability that will greatly improve sit awareness and enhance operational effectiveness.
For mobility, in order to achieve 'extraordinary' acceleration, the Army observes that it is necessary to couple the conventional diesel engine of the proposed tank to a turbine. The 'Hyberbar' engine will be able to accelerate from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 seconds, while a conventional diesel engine requires 8-12 seconds. The quest for more compact power pack has led to renewed interest in gas turbines, which needs to be explored, the Army feels.
The Army wants an active suspension system with sensors, control units, and a hydraulic power source in combination, to automatically alter the suspension characteristics to more closely match the speed of the vehicle and the terrain profile, especially in Indian terrain conditions.
The Army has always held the view that signature management was almost completely ignored in the development of the Arjun. The Army hopes that lesson has been learnt now. Current and expected future threat scenarios require signature management measures of a multi spectral type, and they require an extremely short reaction time. The Army says it requires signature management in design measures, basic camouflage, additional camouflage and temporary camouflage.
Explosive Reactive Armour Now! The Army points out that the main battlefield threats against tanks are Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGMs), unguided anti tank rockets and grenades; shaped charge High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) gun rounds; Kinetic Energy (KE) gun rounds; and top-attack weapons like intelligent sub-munitions, terminally guided artillery rounds, etc. There is a need for developing Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA). Given optimised designs, integrated ERA offers tanks highly effective protection against both the penetrators of Armoured Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) projectiles and the jets of shaped charge weapons, including those with tandem warheads.
The Army says it wants a high-performance armour system on its FMBT with advanced materials incorporating the following qualities (a) Reduced penetration by most lethal weapons, (b) Elimination of parasitic mass leading to a weight reduction, (c) Excellent corrosion resistance, (d) Inherent thermal and acoustic insulation properties.
The Army has stressed that the FMBT needs Infra Red (IR) detectors, target identification systems, laser warning systems, radar warning receivers and devices to coordinate their signal and instantaneously control a countermeasures suite. These countermeasures fall into two categories: soft-kill system and hard-kill system. The soft kill sensors must discriminate true and false targets and they must discriminate between missiles or other rounds that threaten the vehicle being protected and those that will miss or are aimed at other targets.
The Army wants an Automatic Protection Systems (APS) on the FMBT. The radar should determine threat levels adequately, and the self-defence rockets should not cause high levels of collateral damage, particularly to accompanying dismounted infantry.
Of course, weapons. Conventional tube weapons are the product of a mature technology, and have now reached a high level of performance. However, on account of the gas-dynamic processes of thermally transformed powder, the muzzle velocity of projectiles is theoretically limited to approximately 2,300 m/s. Contemporary tank guns still offer a considerable growth potential, and electronic guns will be able to exceed this and become an attractive proposition. Tank-fired missiles, which carry shaped-charge warheads, were susceptible to various countermeasures, especially reactive armour. The Army says it is reasonable to expect development of high velocity KE missiles with heavy-metal, long-rod penetrators to defeat current and future tanks both within and beyond line of sight. Such extended-range missiles would enable armoured vehicles to engage targets beyond the direct fire zone. The high/medium-energy level (100 kJ) vehicle-mounted laser is expected to be a lethality option against rockets, air vehicles, light ground vehicles, antennas of armoured vehicles and electro-optical sensors. Hard-kill system to provide full-spectrum defence against top attack weapons, ATGMs, guided missiles and gun-launched KE and HEAT rounds.
Fire Control System (FCS): Ground sensors, non-line-of-sight launch system and the network capability will enhance soldiers' understanding of their situation in dynamic battlefield conditions by promoting a common perspective of enemy and friendly locations on digital maps and provide timely actionable intelligence.
Very importantly, the Army has stressed that there is a need to manufacture modern simulators using lasers, micro-processors and magnetic tapes, thereby creating near actual combat conditions during training. Development of driving, gunnery and tactical simulators.
India's Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT)
The Indian Army is still juggling concepts of precisely what it wants from its Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT), but information shared with LiveFist provides a rare broad glimpse into work very much in progress as far as qualitative requirements for the future platform go. The Army's FMBT wish-list, in no particular order follows.
The Army insists that stealth be built into the FMBT from the ground up -- including paints/materials to provide limited invisibility in IR/visible spectrum and for scrambling and avoidance of detection. The Indian Army wants the tank to have an Identification Friend or Foe (IFF) system "to obviate chances of own tanks firing at each other in battle", and a whole new reliable and secure mobile communication system capable of data transmission, audio and video conference. Protection in the form of soft-kill system requires IR detectors, laser warning, radar warning and devices to instantaneously integrate these signals and control a countermeasure suite. Such systems are threat specific so all would have to be carried on a vehicle to gain protection against more than one part of the EM threat spectrum.
The new tank necessarily needs to espouse hybrid electric vehicle technology and incorporate digital vehicle electronics (vetronics) to provide intra-vehicle and inter-vehicle communication capability that will greatly improve sit awareness and enhance operational effectiveness.
For mobility, in order to achieve 'extraordinary' acceleration, the Army observes that it is necessary to couple the conventional diesel engine of the proposed tank to a turbine. The 'Hyberbar' engine will be able to accelerate from zero to full power at 1,500 hp in 2.8 seconds, while a conventional diesel engine requires 8-12 seconds. The quest for more compact power pack has led to renewed interest in gas turbines, which needs to be explored, the Army feels.
The Army wants an active suspension system with sensors, control units, and a hydraulic power source in combination, to automatically alter the suspension characteristics to more closely match the speed of the vehicle and the terrain profile, especially in Indian terrain conditions.
The Army has always held the view that signature management was almost completely ignored in the development of the Arjun. The Army hopes that lesson has been learnt now. Current and expected future threat scenarios require signature management measures of a multi spectral type, and they require an extremely short reaction time. The Army says it requires signature management in design measures, basic camouflage, additional camouflage and temporary camouflage.
Explosive Reactive Armour Now! The Army points out that the main battlefield threats against tanks are Anti Tank Guided Missile (ATGMs), unguided anti tank rockets and grenades; shaped charge High Explosive Anti Tank (HEAT) gun rounds; Kinetic Energy (KE) gun rounds; and top-attack weapons like intelligent sub-munitions, terminally guided artillery rounds, etc. There is a need for developing Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA). Given optimised designs, integrated ERA offers tanks highly effective protection against both the penetrators of Armoured Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot (APFSDS) projectiles and the jets of shaped charge weapons, including those with tandem warheads.
The Army says it wants a high-performance armour system on its FMBT with advanced materials incorporating the following qualities (a) Reduced penetration by most lethal weapons, (b) Elimination of parasitic mass leading to a weight reduction, (c) Excellent corrosion resistance, (d) Inherent thermal and acoustic insulation properties.
The Army has stressed that the FMBT needs Infra Red (IR) detectors, target identification systems, laser warning systems, radar warning receivers and devices to coordinate their signal and instantaneously control a countermeasures suite. These countermeasures fall into two categories: soft-kill system and hard-kill system. The soft kill sensors must discriminate true and false targets and they must discriminate between missiles or other rounds that threaten the vehicle being protected and those that will miss or are aimed at other targets.
The Army wants an Automatic Protection Systems (APS) on the FMBT. The radar should determine threat levels adequately, and the self-defence rockets should not cause high levels of collateral damage, particularly to accompanying dismounted infantry.
Of course, weapons. Conventional tube weapons are the product of a mature technology, and have now reached a high level of performance. However, on account of the gas-dynamic processes of thermally transformed powder, the muzzle velocity of projectiles is theoretically limited to approximately 2,300 m/s. Contemporary tank guns still offer a considerable growth potential, and electronic guns will be able to exceed this and become an attractive proposition. Tank-fired missiles, which carry shaped-charge warheads, were susceptible to various countermeasures, especially reactive armour. The Army says it is reasonable to expect development of high velocity KE missiles with heavy-metal, long-rod penetrators to defeat current and future tanks both within and beyond line of sight. Such extended-range missiles would enable armoured vehicles to engage targets beyond the direct fire zone. The high/medium-energy level (100 kJ) vehicle-mounted laser is expected to be a lethality option against rockets, air vehicles, light ground vehicles, antennas of armoured vehicles and electro-optical sensors. Hard-kill system to provide full-spectrum defence against top attack weapons, ATGMs, guided missiles and gun-launched KE and HEAT rounds.
Fire Control System (FCS): Ground sensors, non-line-of-sight launch system and the network capability will enhance soldiers' understanding of their situation in dynamic battlefield conditions by promoting a common perspective of enemy and friendly locations on digital maps and provide timely actionable intelligence.
Very importantly, the Army has stressed that there is a need to manufacture modern simulators using lasers, micro-processors and magnetic tapes, thereby creating near actual combat conditions during training. Development of driving, gunnery and tactical simulators.
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hi friends whats happening ? what about the result of ARJUN-T-90 contest there was a lot of debate pre-and post test but there is nothing now is army deliberately delaying the result
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Livefist details of FMBT shows that somebody made an @ss out of him
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This is Shiv Arrors blog , he posts whatever he wants on it , don't go linking it to otherthings.
Not GoI press release.
We are still waiting for official news on Arjun and how many orders will be made.
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http://frontierindia.net/defense/army-decides-to-take-124-more-mbt-arjun
Army Decides to Take 124 More MBT Arjun
Army Decides to Take 124 More MBT Arjun
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