Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[jai jaganath]

Sahi hai.
Excellent analysis. Pray tell where did Chinese modern tanks come from?
Indian ERA and armour is far more capable than Russian variants. Thats why we went through the bother of developing them.
Kanchan was capable of stopping the then best Israeli APFSDS at 100m (which is point blank for tanks)
It has since then been iteratively refined.
These very wide ranging statements on tin cans are passe; makes you look like a fool. Do your research.
ARDE's 125mm smoothbore sustains 25-30% higher barrel pressure than the 2A46M gun from the ruskies.
The steel/composite sandwich that Kanchan is made from was originally modeled on British Chobham armour - except it was a derivative with materials substituted for our requirements.
The ammunition has been primarily an Israeli derivative - i needn't say more.
Our thermal sights used to be Thales - French. Nowadays its TONBO sights, with even MKU getting in on the game.

AJNA see through armour ke baare mai pata hi hoga.
T72 Ajeyas have their own BFSR - creates a comprehensive tactical picture for the battalion commander.
Blue Force synchronization is also a think on board the new built T90s and Arjuns.

Last question sirji
Whether our t-90s have roosi barrel or arde barrel

 

[Love Charger]

Last question sirji
Whether our t-90s have roosi barrel or arde barrel

Arde

 

[binayak95]

Last question sirji
Whether our t-90s have roosi barrel or arde barrel

The new ones, ARDE - old ones that were brought as SKD kits and direct imports - Ruski

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Last question sirji
Whether our t-90s have roosi barrel or arde barrel

Arde barrel, actually Russians denied us technology transfer of 2A46M5 smoothbore gun, so ARDE made it on its own.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

 

[Blood+]

Yeah Russian fuckall tactics and idiocy does not make the Tank obsolete - if anything it demonstrates once again, the need for combined arms doctrine AND training.
The same Soviet origin tanks are being used to great effect by the Ukrainians - and if you study the AbramsX you'll notice some interesting thought process behind survivability and lethality in the modern age.


And apart from everything - russian tanks with their carousel of doom stood no chance of survivability.
Add to that the pictures of captured Russian tanks with horrible armour, non existent explosive filler in their ERA and I find it hilarious that these tanks were sent in at all.

Well, about that part, you might wanna check this one out -
And as for survivability and fire hazard, NATO MBTs are no better or worse than their Russian counterparts except for the Abrams.

 

[Blood+]

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I don't think the figure of 800 MPa is right considering even the Rheinmetall could barely manage ~715 MPa in their latest Rh-120 L/55A1.

 

[binayak95]

Well, about that part, you might wanna check this one out -
And as for survivability and fire hazard, NATO MBTs are no better or worse than their Russian counterparts except for the Abrams.

I'd add the Chally II and Merkava as most survivable tanks out there

 

[Blood+]

Combined arms advances, capturing lost towns and territories, several well laid ambushes by old T64BVs

That was mostly the result of the abject shortage of manpower in the Russian invasion force rather than the abilities of the Ukrainian tankers. In Kherson, they are getting massacred by droves by Russian artillery and air power.

 

[Blood+]

I'd add the Chally II and Merkava as most survivable tanks out there

Not really as both these tanks store their ammo in the hull without any blast doors isolating it from the crew compartment. But they do have better armor compared to the older models of Russian MBTs like T-72B3s and T-80s but the T-90MS have got comparable armor protection.

 

[mokoman]

Not really as both these tanks store their ammo in the hull without any blast doors isolating it from the crew compartment. But they do have better armor compared to the older models of Russian MBTs like T-72B3s and T-80s but the T-90MS have got comparable armor protection.

Merkava has APS tho . that makes improves survivability atleast against atgm / rpgs etc.

makes me wonder , how many tanks are destroyed by atgm vs other tanks .

 

[Blood+]

Merkava has APS tho . that makes improves survivability atleast against atgm / rpgs etc.

Definitely but these are plug and play systems and can be added to T-series tanks as well. In fact, I think it was the Russians who had pioneered the concept with their ARENA system.

makes me wonder , how many tanks are destroyed by atgm vs other tanks .

Beats me as well.

 

[johnj]

The evolution of Leo-2A7 into KF-41 and Abrams M1A2 into Abrams X MBT seems to the the way forward for the future.

In our case, Army should opt for a similar evolution of Arjun MK1A into MK2 and MK3 models, rather than a complete new platform in the form of FRCV.

DRDO showcased Arjun MK1A in Republic day 2014 first. This prototype is being showcased in different arms expos for the last 8 years.

No new development has happened in this front, other than DRDO releasing some brochures and artistic impressions of FMBT/GNMBT for the last 8 years

Only if US/Germany sell 500 KF-41/Abrams X to Pak.
IA go after medium category like T14, a clean new design.

 

[Blood+]

Only if US/Germany sell 500 KF-41/Abrams X to Pak.
IA go after medium category like T14, a clean new design.

There are no such things as a medium category tank anymore, all of these are MBTs.

 

[johnj]

There are no such things as a medium category tank anymore, all of these are MBTs.

Yes, light, medium, heavy, superheavy etc.
MBT means Main battle tank. IA & PA use medium mbt; US, Germany use heavy mbt.
Arjun heavy tank & t90 medium tank. Now IA looking for light tank.

 

[Blood+]

Yes, light, medium, heavy, superheavy etc.
MBT means Main battle tank. IA & PA use medium mbt; US, Germany use heavy mbt.
Arjun heavy tank & t90 medium tank. Now IA looking for light tank.

No, no, and NO!! An MBT is an MBT, there is no such classifications as medium or heavy MBTs!! And neither Arjun is a heavy tank nor the T-90S is a medium one, both of those are just MBTs. Light tanks are light tanks, we don't call them light MBTs either.

 

[johnj]

No, no, and NO!! An MBT is an MBT, there is no such classifications as medium or heavy MBTs!! And neither Arjun is a heavy tank nor the T-90S is a medium one, both of those are just MBTs. Light tanks are light tanks, we don't call them light MBTs either.

MBT stands for main battle tank, its does't matter it is heavy or medium. Light, medium, heavy etc depend on weight not purpose. Weight is important considering transportation. Normally there is no medium or heavy, since we can't use light or heavy describing t90 or arjust, we use medium, to check the maximum weight.
Weight does matter, hence some countries medium mbt, like India, Japan etc. The major reason why arjun rejected becz due to weight[heavy]. IA can't absorb tech improvement like Abrams, Lep etc including arjun, and giving importance to medium mbt<weight on check>.
If you don't like such classification, you can use pover countries mbt & rich countries mbt.

 

[Love Charger]

This thread just went full lulz , har koi afaiem ka nasha karke hai kya yahan

 

[johnj]

Was that English??!!

Sorry for my bad english.
In simple, we use medium MBT. If you don't know the difference, it is hard to you to understand IA mbt.

 

[Blood+]

Sorry for my bad english.

No, sorry for being a dick earlier.

In simple, we use medium MBT. If you don't know the difference, it is hard to you to understand IA mbt.

Ok, I wasn't aware of that.