Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

am amused at the many who appear
to believe that the Arjun is "built
entirely of foreign components" that
are "hammered together in India".
This kind of view is rooted in a deep
lack of understanding of the
processes of indigenisation. It is true
that almost 60% of the cost of the
Arjun goes on imported components.
Practically all of that goes on just
three components --- the power
pack; the gunner's main sight (GMS);
and the gun control equipment (GCE)
. Almost all the Arjun's other 10,000-
odd component are sourced from
Indian industry, which is rising to the
challenge. More support from the
government, in terms of better
procurement procedures, would
accelerate this.
.
Broadsword: Improving the Arjun's already great suspension

 

[Kunal Biswas]

That is some old info, As of now the FCS is made by BEL and GCE is also made by some Private company ..

 

[Twinblade]

120mm thermobaric + fragmentation round for Arjun being tested.

Source:- DRDO

 

[Kaalapani]

 

[Warhawk]

I must say,
Some Good work done here.
Though the Title should be Arjun Mk III rather than Arjun Mk I

 

[Hari Sud]

Is anybody working to fix problems of the India defence Forum. Formatting seems to be problem.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

if thats the case then wat was the need of going for mmrca in the first case....I want to knw what possible advantage then rafale will have....
when tejas mk2 is just around the corner?

mate, its same case like arjun defeated t90 fair and square yet army operates 1100 t90 and planning for more and on other hand it only inducted 124 arjun.

 

[Ray]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

mate, its same case like arjun defeated t90 fair and square yet army operates 1100 t90 and planning for more and on other hand it only inducted 124 arjun.

Did it?

I wonder if the Govt would have accepted the Army's decision lying down.

The DRDO lobby has more clout with the Govt than the Army.

In any trial, the Army, the manufacturers, DRDO, DGI etc are present.

There are the field trials and also the technical trials.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

Did it?

I wonder if the Govt would have accepted the Army's decision lying down.

The DRDO lobby has more clout with the Govt than the Army.

In any trial, the Army, the manufacturers, DRDO, DGI etc are present.

There are the field trials and also the technical trials.

ya arjun defeated t90.
.
the purchase of rafale is cause of tejas mk2 was not even started when in 2007 when MMRCA deal started @Pulkit

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

Arjun another success story with a bad end.....

mate, its same case like arjun defeated t90 fair and square yet army operates 1100 t90 and planning for more and on other hand it only inducted 124 arjun.

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

Sir are you saying that Arjun is not as good at T90 or is it the other way round?

Did it?

I wonder if the Govt would have accepted the Army's decision lying down.

The DRDO lobby has more clout with the Govt than the Army.

In any trial, the Army, the manufacturers, DRDO, DGI etc are present.

There are the field trials and also the technical trials.

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

ya arjun defeated t90.
.
the purchase of rafale is cause of tejas mk2 was not even started when in 2007 when MMRCA deal started @Pulkit

@Ray

MK2 was not even started and MK1 was not acceptable to IAF it was not in the same category as that of Medium ...
Its not for me to claim but what ever reason defense provided against Arjun was the weight some 5 tonne heavier i think...
Arjun is more accurate that T90...

This is not the thread but I wonder T90 and Arjun provide same features or what ... As i think T90 had few things missing which army asked for in Arjun.... dont remember where I read it sorry for that....

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

@Ray sir, not to blame DRDO, pakistan army was evaluating m1a1 tanks then DRDO were drawing a 45 tonne class tank but this action of PA caused the army to tell DRDO to develop a tank of m1a1 class. So DRDO did it. And now army is saying arjun is heavy.
.
there was a post by twinblade, he proved that a 40 tonne axle bridge can take load of 70 tonne. And arjun is just 58 tonne.
.
and there is BLT designed by L and T which they unveiled in defexpo 2014. Kunal sir also posted photo of it in this forum.

 

[Ray]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

@Ray sir, not to blame DRDO, pakistan army was evaluating m1a1 tanks then DRDO were drawing a 45 tonne class tank but this action of PA caused the army to tell DRDO to develop a tank of m1a1 class. So DRDO did it. And now army is saying arjun is heavy.
.
there was a post by twinblade, he proved that a 40 tonne axle bridge can take load of 70 tonne. And arjun is just 58 tonne.
.
and there is BLT designed by L and T which they unveiled in defexpo 2014. Kunal sir also posted photo of it in this forum.

I am not aware how a bridge classification can be ignored and heavier equipment passed through wave after wave.

Further, one has to look at terrain conditions on which the tank has to operate, both in our side of the IB and beyond our IB. And also their rail network and our railway guage wherein our tanks can be taken by rail.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

Defexpo India 2014 - Page 14
.
it wasn't drdo who
developed arjun on their
own will. It was army.
.
arjun can be successful in
desert as well as in punjab.
Arjun can be used as
defencive equipment and
othe low weight tank as
offensive in pakistan
border.
.
post number #198 by
kunal sir about modular
bridge. We can also use it
in pakistan border. So in
pakistan border to we can
use it as an offensive tool.
@Ray sir

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

@Ray sir @abhi
Our tanks can carry 40tonne with respect to factor of safety and they can allow upto 60tonnes even if I go by 1.5 factor...
Arjun was forced to be overweight by IA trying to put everything in one machine.... They never expect that from foreign branded tins but when it comes to Homemade they are very rigid....

@Ray sir, not to blame DRDO, pakistan army was evaluating m1a1 tanks then DRDO were drawing a 45 tonne class tank but this action of PA caused the army to tell DRDO to develop a tank of m1a1 class. So DRDO did it. And now army is saying arjun is heavy.
.
there was a post by twinblade, he proved that a 40 tonne axle bridge can take load of 70 tonne. And arjun is just 58 tonne.
.
and there is BLT designed by L and T which they unveiled in defexpo 2014. Kunal sir also posted photo of it in this forum.

 

[abhi_the _gr8_maratha]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-army/51358-arjun-main-battle-tank-mbt-mark-ii-66.html
.
post number #988 by twinblade will give you answer @Pulkit and will elaborate how can arjun be carried by bridges

 

[Ray]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

@Ray sir @abhi
Our tanks can carry 40tonne with respect to factor of safety and they can allow upto 60tonnes even if I go by 1.5 factor...
Arjun was forced to be overweight by IA trying to put everything in one machine.... They never expect that from foreign branded tins but when it comes to Homemade they are very rigid....

Indian Army can want the moon.

And if the DRDO can say that they can give the moon, then why should they complain or cry a river?

That is where the whole issue lies.

High aspirations, high promises and low and unfulfilled delivery.

The greater the complexity in design, the more are the funds allocated; and the smell of money to play around with in the name of indigenisation is a beautiful feeling for many.

As far as a foreign equipment is concerned, the pluses and minuses are known and on that basis the aspirations are matrixed to suit the projected operational use.

 

[Ray]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

@Ray sir @abhi
Our tanks can carry 40tonne with respect to factor of safety and they can allow upto 60tonnes even if I go by 1.5 factor...

Could you explain this further?

I have not understood.

 

[Ray]

Re: Will Tejas MK2 be equivalant to Rafale?

Defexpo India 2014 - Page 14
.
it wasn't drdo who
developed arjun on their
own will. It was army.
.
arjun can be successful in
desert as well as in punjab.
Arjun can be used as
defencive equipment and
othe low weight tank as
offensive in pakistan
border.
.
post number #198 by
kunal sir about modular
bridge. We can also use it
in pakistan border. So in
pakistan border to we can
use it as an offensive tool.
@Ray sir

I have not understood the issue.

All Tank are weapon for offensive action but can also be used for defence.

All types of Tanks can be used in the Punjab and the deserts.

The modular bridge is being used for a dry ditch of not huge gap. Does it have struts to balance the bridge? Will it have embankment support where it when a tank goes over the bridge it will not collapse. The technical details are required to evaluate and understand.

Further, how many vehicles and what type will be required to ferry the modular bridges cross sections? How long a logistic train would that make for the armoured column? All this is necessary since tanks also have vehicles to carry ammunition and Fuel Oils and Lubricant as a follow up train and the longer the train (convoy) the more lucrative it is for the enemy air.