AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[vampyrbladez]

Thats a depressing thing .....first flight only in 2030....then we expect the flight testing to take atleast 5, even though they are saying it will be just 3 years....so flight testing will complete by 2035 ....that means 1st sqn will enter service only by 2038

future of AMCA-Mk2 is uncertain as of now ....I'm afraid that this program may go Arjun way...

Per previous interviews, first flight of prototype will take place 4-4.5 years after CCS approval. 3 years to develop prototype and 1-1.5 years after that for first flight.

Assuming CDR is approved this year (2023) and CCS approval by end of this year or early next year (2023-2024), prototype roll out in 3 years (2027) and first flight in (2028-2029). Then production of FOC variant in 2031-32 and finally induction in 2033 (first squadron).

Factoring in 2024 general election, CCS approval will either be provided in late 2023 or mid-late 2024 by the new government (Modi or khichdi). If khichdi, this program is fucked.

To summarise (from 2023) :

5.5 years - First Flight
10 years - Induction of first FOC squadron (RFI/RFP/DAC/CCS/Order Signing/IOC/FOC/Test Pilot Manual Creation & Tactics)

So the IAF AMCA (5 th generation) will enter service just as the first USAF NGAD (6th generation) fighter enter service.

The GE F414 EPE engine (116 KN) will be used in Phase 2 for the AMCA which will be a 5.5 generation fighter jet while an AETP technology based engine would be used in the NGAD.

Expect a NGMAF (Next Generation Multirole Fighter Aircraft) programme to be announced by 2030 for 6th generation fighter jets by IAF.

 

[jai jaganath]

Thats a depressing thing .....first flight only in 2030....then we expect the flight testing to take atleast 5, even though they are saying it will be just 3 years....so flight testing will complete by 2035 ....that means 1st sqn will enter service only by 2038

future of AMCA-Mk2 is uncertain as of now ....I'm afraid that this program may go Arjun way...

And few people here criticize tfx
Atleast they know their target and determined to achieve it
This shows even if u have tech but no mindset things will go on and on
I am not targeting any particular organization but collective establishment

 

[vishnugupt]

Anyone who wish to see AMCA squadron flying under IAF, should start taking medicines for High blood pressure and Diabetes. Please try to hold on your health because it is very very unlikely we will see it's induction in next 20 years.

Ajkal 40 years wale ko bhi heart attack and Brain stroke ho rahe hai.

Tata bye bye.... Will post on this thread if survived next two decades

 

[Vamsi]

Dr. Ghosh provided me with the same dates during DEFEXPO 2022. So, let's say if the first flight is in 2030 then the induction will be in 2033, so 3 years of in-flight closed-loop testing.

It is naive to think that flight testing will complete in just 3 years....it won't, it will take atleast 5 years to complete it .....and IAF as we all know will sign the deal only after completion of flight testing....and 1st production aircraft will roll out only 3 years after signing the deal....so it's easily 2038...it's the earliest time..it may even go to 2040 for AMCA-MK1

1st flight - 2030
Flight testing completed by 2033
Sign deal at the earliest - 2033
First Production Aircraft - 2036

So, 2036 is the earliest date for 1st AMCA sqn....at worst it will slip to 2040.....

AMCA-Mk2, it will literally be dead if the foreign OEM screws us with engine.....but I'm 100% sure we will screwdriver the phoren engine, call it Indigenous

worst case scenario if Maulana loses next election, we can kiss good bye to all 3 aircrafts

 

[jik60]

It is naive to think that flight testing will complete in just 3 years....it won't, it will take atleast 5 years to complete it .....and IAF as we all know will sign the deal only after completion of flight testing....and 1st production aircraft will roll out only 3 years after signing the deal....so it's easily 2038...it's the earliest time..it may even go to 2040 for AMCA-MK1

If there will be some unforeseen scenarios like sanctions, border wars, economic deep recession, or an idiot as the head of the state the testing and induction would take 12 years. Maybe the entire AMCA prgm would collapse and close, everything is possible in the distant future.

what I mean is these are very subjective apprehensions and as tech enthusiasts, we all should witness and enjoy the evolution of Indian future military tech prowess rather than engaging in timeline games.

 

[Vamsi]

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

And few people here criticize tfx
Atleast they know their target and determined to achieve it
This shows even if u have tech but no mindset things will go on and on
I am not targeting any particular organization but collective establishment

Borrowing Tech from NATO != Having Tech

 

[mokoman]

Anyone who wish to see AMCA squadron flying under IAF, should start taking medicines for High blood pressure and Diabetes. Please try to hold on your health because it is very very unlikely we will see it's induction in next 20 years.

Ajkal 40 years wale ko bhi heart attack and Brain stroke ho rahe hai.

Tata bye bye.... Will post on this thread if survived next two decades

already went vegetarian , stopped eating junk good , started doing exercise .

want to live long enough to see this fly.

 

[jik60]

The question that needs to be asked now is; "Why there is no CCS nod for AMCA so far ? ".

It is the mother of all cascading impacts on the SOP schedule

 

[AnantS]

Expect it to be cancelled for a NGMAF (Next Generation Multirole Fighter Aircraft) programme to be announced by 2030 for 6th generation fighter jets by IAF, who shall announce AMCA is now Already Murjha Chukaa Aircraft which does not suit current and future needs

There you go .. your statement amended and corrected

 

[Love Charger]

Anyone who wish to see AMCA squadron flying under IAF, should start taking medicines for High blood pressure and Diabetes. Please try to hold on your health because it is very very unlikely we will see it's induction in next 20 years.

Ajkal 40 years wale ko bhi heart attack and Brain stroke ho rahe hai.

Tata bye bye.... Will post on this thread if survived next two decades

Mai fourth me tha, jab apache and lch ko sabse pehle net pe dekha tha
Ab mai college ke last year me hu
Apache to agye, lch ka abhi bhi wo 114 ka order nai diya hai.
Mera beta jab college hoga tab shayad amca ka prototype aaye ga

 

[here2where]

Anyone who wish to see AMCA squadron flying under IAF, should start taking medicines for High blood pressure and Diabetes. Please try to hold on your health because it is very very unlikely we will see it's induction in next 20 years.

Ajkal 40 years wale ko bhi heart attack and Brain stroke ho rahe hai.

Tata bye bye.... Will post on this thread if survived next two decades

Feb 2009 is when this thread was started.

 

[Love Charger]

Feb 2009 is when this thread was started.

I was class 1 then probably

 

[angryIndian]

Beggars belief that there is no sense of urgency in the corridors of power given that our Principal adversary has almost 200 5th gen jets in active service.

By the time this Jet is speculated to enter active service, they would have literally inducted 1000-2000 5th gen fighters in active service. And in these 10-15 years their 5th gen platform would have matured enough ,so much so that it will be leaps and bounds ahead of our 5th gen fighter.

I am quite sure soon the government will announce "as a temporary stop gap measure we will import F35 from USA as a government-to-government contract",that means indian poor tax payers money which would have been utilized in creating jobs and industries in India would go on to create jobs and opportunities in an already developed country.

 

[Blademaster]

Please stop being hallucinated by the unrealistic lead time for SOP as 3/4/5 years of an integrated system as complex as an advanced fighter jet. My company takes 3 years to make an ADAS level 4 pass-car with tons of carryover from a legacy project. So these are a development from the scratch.

He is not providing anything new. Every dammn body starting from IAF to ADA to HAL to suppliers aware of this schedule, probably excluding the YouTubers and OSNIT heroes.

Dr. Ghosh provided me with the same dates during DEFEXPO 2022. So, let's say if the first flight is in 2030 then the induction will be in 2033, so 3 years of in-flight closed-loop testing.

Maybe by that time, the US will have its 34th gen fighter up in the sky but for India with the veracity of challenges, this developmental cycle is realistic and viable, please accept it and deal with it.

India's future military aviation is in good hands, definitely many more learned and qualified persons than naysayers. So I am quite hopeful about the end result of these programs

That's fine all and dandy but will the Chinese let us live in peace in the next 15 years?? They are already producing 5th generation fighters. They are already up to 250 and by the time we get to the AMCA around, they will already have at least 1000 planes of these. PLAAF will have enough superiority in numbers and technology to overwhelm IAF in the next decade. Not only that PLAAF is already embarking on the 6th generation fighter program. We are seriously fucking behind. We are fucked if we have no fucking sense of urgency.

We NEED to get this AMCA program completed ASAP on warp speed like the Americans did with its Manhattan project and other weapon programs during WWII, no question about it.

 

[vampyrbladez]

“Once the project sanction is received, the first prototype can be rolled out in three years and the first flight in one to one and half year after that,” said Dr. A.K. Ghosh, project director of AMCA speaking at DefExpo-2022 last week.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...-sanction-scientists/article66066386.ece/amp/

For AMCA, once the prototype rolls out, the production should be able to start in 2-3 years after that," the Air Chief Marshal stated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ti...ief-marshal-vr-chaudhari-article-97877537/amp

Agency officials said that once the project is sanctioned, the first prototype could be rolled out in three years, with the first flight expected to take place one to one and a half years after that, as reported earlier by The Hindu. Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, which is the production agency for the project, has already begun manufacturing activities.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...neration-fighter-jet/article66496935.ece/amp/

Let's wait for the CCS approval first. Then all the subsequent dates will be revealed.

 

[jai jaganath]

Borrowing Tech from NATO != Having Tech

Pls give me the proof of it
Pls don't show me that few million assistance deals

 

[vampyrbladez]

The more capable indigenous Light Combat Aircraft (LCA)-Mk2 is expected to be ready for production by 2027 while the fifth generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is awaiting approval from the Cabinet Committee on Security and the development would take 10 years after that, said Director General of Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) Girish S. Deodhare on Tuesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...eration-fighter-amca/article66509090.ece/amp/

 

[_merlin_]

With these unbelievably stretched timelines, an Su-75 or an Su-57 or an F-35 from our newest "friends" is a certainty. Suits everyone too - IAF will not have to buy an Indian fighter, MoD will not have to drive AMCA to success, ADA gets a science project. All happy.

 

[WarmongerLSK]

Did anyone attend the space by Tej Intel on Twitter? I missed it. He said he will post something interesting on AMCA.