AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[dvdiyen]

@makmohan
AMCA is a twin engine medium category fighter.

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

With FGFA and Aura coming into IAF and the arrival of Chinas first aircraft carrier with more capable fighters, MoD understood that the real requirement for a new stealth fighter is in IN and that N-LCA is not enough for Indias naval security. Therefor they re-consider the N-LCA development and assigned ADA and HAL to develop a naval AMCA, based on the experience gained from the N-LCA Tech Demonstrator and the FGFA co-development.
As part of the Rafale procurement, MoD demands Dassault to provide design and navalising assistance, to make AMCA able to take off via catapults and ski-jumps, similar to Rafale. Here are few designs that they are working on...

http://on.fb.me/1fg14KB

This one doesn't look like AMCA ...:taunt1:

 

[makmohan]

This one doesn't look like AMCA ...:taunt1:

Somehow the picture got changed after I have uploaded

Request admin to delete the picture/my post. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[makmohan]

- This was the orginal image

 

[Twinblade]

@makmohan you got fooled by something that was created by editing AMCA brochure on MS Paint Please refrain from posting fanboy/unsubstantiated CGI art.

 

[Punya Pratap]

Twinblade,

At least Makmohan's post has given us some food for thought... its a good way of exploring all aspect growth of a single platform like Tejas.

 

[Twinblade]

Twinblade,

At least Makmohan's post has given us some food for thought... its a good way of exploring all aspect growth of a single platform like Tejas.

Is it official ? - No
Is it grounded anyway in reality ? - No
Is it connected in anyway to the information available about the project ? - No

Then it's just mental masturbation and a waste of time and bandwidth, akin to discussing Schroedinger's cat, the hen and the egg conundrum or the philosophical theories of Immanuel Kant. One guy will post a CGI and other will say it cannot supercruise. The guy who made the CGI will say that it can supercruise and hover. This would be followed by 20 pages of useless discussion on whether such a design is feasible or not. It is better to let the thread remain dormant than to fill it with pages after pages of useless garbage making tracking of latest developments difficult.

 

[p2prada]

Yeah, that image is fake and made by some fanboy. Not an official LCA/MCA image.

HAL has nothing to do with the design of LCA and AMCA. Also, the image lists two different designs, one under ADA/DRDO and the other as ADA/HAL. That doesn't make sense at all. ADA is simply a lab under DRDO, so listing DRDO as a separate entity with ADA is awkward.

 

[tomthounaojam]

any idea which university is taking part in this project? read somewhere the some Indian firm are working on large panel display, is it true or speculative?

 

[Twinblade]

any idea which university is taking part in this project? read somewhere the some Indian firm are working on large panel display, is it true or speculative?

Plenty of universities are taking part in this project, however they are contributing at a more fundamental level (dielectrics, radar absorbing optically transparent material, frequency selective surface materials etc).

There are two large(-ish) panel displays exhibited in India. This is the current tech level, for futuristic program it is entirely possible to go for significantly larger display.

One is from Elbit systems who are offering it via a jv with HAL

Another is from DARE that will be manufactured by Samtel.

 

[lookieloo]

Yeah, that image is fake and made by some fanboy. Not an official LCA/MCA image.

Fanboyish, yes. Yet it merits brief consideration regarding risk-reduction. Namely, using a powerplant already being produced in India. Besides, AMCA as currently envisioned doesn't mesh well with reality either as no pair of engines that small (dimensionally) in production (anywhere) will provide sufficient thrust. (Note that J-31 and all other medium, twin-engine 5th generation concepts have the same problem.)

 

[Twinblade]

Namely, using a powerplant already being produced in India. Besides, AMCA as currently envisioned does mesh well with reality either as no pair of engines that small (dimensionally) in production (anywhere) will provide sufficient thrust.

Not in production but not far away from it.
GE F414 family (EPE variant)
EJ200 family (already built with plenty of scope for growth EJ220/EJ230 etc)

 

[lookieloo]

Not in production but not far away from it.
GE F414 family (EPE variant)
EJ200 family (already built with plenty of scope for growth EJ220/EJ230 etc)

EPE isn't even close to being funded, let alone going into production (USN is more interested in EDE upgrade). As for the Eurojet, there is substantial room for growth (even more than F414); but again, no one appears to be seriously interested in funding such a thing. Neither is any more likely to happen than a 120 kN version of Kavari.

 

[p2prada]

Fanboyish, yes. Yet it merits brief consideration regarding risk-reduction. Namely, using a powerplant already being produced in India. Besides, AMCA as currently envisioned doesn't mesh well with reality either as no pair of engines that small (dimensionally) in production (anywhere) will provide sufficient thrust. (Note that J-31 and all other medium, twin-engine 5th generation concepts have the same problem.)

The only other choice is Saturn's Item 30 engine. But, it's not happening, so no point talking about it.

 

[lookieloo]

The only other choice is Saturn's Item 30 engine. But, it's not happening, so no point talking about it.

Depending on how far along the project is, there may or may not be a point in talking about anything. Given that sufficiently powerful engines are unlikely to be available, HAL would probably be doing themselves a favor if they left super-cruising/TVC to the FGFA and instead focused on range, payload, and signature.

 

[Eastman]

any idea which university is taking part in this project? read somewhere the some Indian firm are working on large panel display, is it true or speculative?

Not sure but IIT Bangalore get few chances in some DRDO projects.

 

[Twinblade]

Not sure but IIT Bangalore get few chances in some DRDO projects.

IISc Bangalore.

 

[p2prada]

Depending on how far along the project is, there may or may not be a point in talking about anything. Given that sufficiently powerful engines are unlikely to be available, HAL would probably be doing themselves a favor if they left super-cruising/TVC to the FGFA and instead focused on range, payload, and signature.

Supercruising and TVC is part of AMCA specs as well. It will be a two engine design, so engine specs are for 75 - 110 KN.

 

[mahesh]

Supercruising and TVC is part of AMCA specs as well. It will be a two engine design, so engine specs are for 75 - 110 KN.

can't 2 kaveri engines accommodate this, as kaveri can easily give out 80 kn ?

 

[Eastman]

Super cruising is to be performed at military thrust not with after burner assistance.