AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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can't 2 kaveri engines accommodate this, as kaveri can easily give out 80 kn ?
Current Kaveri is an old generation engine. No point having a 5th gen aircraft and an old gen engine. It defeats the purpose of designing AMCA. Kaveri is currently older than AL-31F.
 

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'India to Launch Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft in Another 5 Years' - The New Indian Express
The product design work of Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft has been started by the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) and the vehicle is expected to be ready in 2018, Dr Tamilmani, Director General (Aeronautical Systems) DRDO, Bangalore has said.

Speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the three-day international meet on 'Product Life Cycle, Modelling, Simulation and Synthesis (PLMSS) at VIT university on Monday,' he said the aircraft would be equipped with twin engines with super cruise power and for the first time it would be using the stealth technology to 'hide' from radar surveillance.

The work on the design of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) that began nearly 20 years back had culminated in developing vehicles using indigenous technology and the first batch of 40 such aircraft would be ready for defence utilization by the year 2017. The Hindustan Aeronautical Limited (HAL) would manufacture four vehicles this year, eight by next year and sixteen each in the following two years, Tamilmani added.

With the advent of communication and automation technology, system engineering and other tools, the message to the world community is: 'India can build new-state-of-art aerospace technology products and is ready for competition.' Tamilmani said each of the LCA would be built at an estimated cost of `200 crore and these aircraft would be subjected to around 14,000 failure simulation conditions, to test the efficacy of the technology before they were deployed for the army.

The ground work on designing the aircraft was started in the year 1993 and the prototype would be ready in the next five years. "We had to build the technology all by ourselves from scratch as no agency was willing to share the technology. Even though we have taken a little more time to develop the technology, we have now laid a strong foundation in this field," he noted.

"We are slowly making policy changes in the production of civil aircraft also. The government has allowed to manufacture 70 to 100-seater aircraft in the next five years," he said. The private sector would be involved in a big way, to work with the National Aerospace Laboratories and the HAL.

'PLM is Time Saving'

The Product Life Cycle Modelling (PLM) technology has helped reduce time in developing new products in the automobile manufacturing sector, especially the two-wheeler industry and has had an impact on the aerospace industry, observed Padma Shri Venu Srinivasan, chairman and managing director of TVS Motor company.

The PLM technology had emerged as a big advantage for many companies to compete with international products on parameters of cost and production, he added. The 'product recall' by many companies had become common now because the process of rectifying defects had become easier, he said.
 

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AMCA will be powered by Existing engine ?? | idrw.org

India's 5th generation fighter aircraft program Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA ) might use 'No Risk ' engine which practically means , AMCA will be powered by Existing engine this was informed by Drdo chief to a defence magazine when asked about power house for AMCA .
He also informed that they are currently looking for a suitable engine which will allow them to have first roll out of AMCA TD-1 in 2018 and have its first flight by 2020 . AMCA project was briefly suspended by ADA on orders of MOD to fasten up work in achieving IOC -2 for Lca Tejas , now it is official that Work on AMCA is back on track and work on the project has commenced .
For a while there were talks that new engine will be developed with help of French by mating M-88 core with India's Kaveri engine but according to buzz in aviation circle is that talks with French have failed due to opposition by IAF who wanted new engine to be developed based on current Kaveri engine and was not in support of such joint venture .
Interesting questions still remains which engines will power AMCA ? We'll according to many media reports AMCA will be powered by Two 90-110 KN engines with thrust vectoring capabilities , only engines which currently Fits the bill of thrust vectoring capability is AL-31 engines currently powering IAF's Su-30MKI but each AL-31 engines produces 123KN of power , which seems like a over kill for an 25 tonnes Medium category aircraft , Then again even AL-41 engine which will power FGFA belongs to a Heavy category class and will not be viable for AMCA .
Another Russian option could be R-33OVT engines which comes with 3D thrust vectoring capability and the same non thrust vector variant powers Naval Mig-29K and Mig-29SMT upgraded aircrafts in IAF . HAL currently builds them locally under licence and in terms of power will suit the bill but then again this engine are no next generation cutting edge technology which are usually associated with 5th generation planes .
Last one who can chip in are American GE corporation Which can offer enhanced variant of F-414 and have experimented with thrust vectoring in the past but then again such modification and testing takes it own time . But there is likely chance that first AMCA TD -1 might be powered by Non thrust vectoring engines which will allow enough time for Americans to carry out necessary testing and modifications on the final engine which will power Prototypes .
We have put together possible scenarios based on current availability , even if we start developing a new engine for AMCA it is likely that it won't be ready before first flight of AMCA .
 

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Russians have thrust vectoring technology for their engines. For AMCA's FOC version they should buy engines from the russians.
 

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AMCA will be powered by Existing engine ??
Published February 23, 2014 | By admin

SOURCE : IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)



India's 5th generation fighter aircraft program Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA ) might use 'No Risk ' engine which practically means , AMCA will be powered by Existing engine this was informed by Drdo chief to a defence magazine when asked about power house for AMCA .

He also informed that they are currently looking for a suitable engine which will allow them to have first roll out of AMCA TD-1 in 2018 and have its first flight by 2020 . AMCA project was briefly suspended by ADA on orders of MOD to fasten up work in achieving IOC -2 for Lca Tejas , now it is official that Work on AMCA is back on track and work on the project has commenced .

For a while there were talks that new engine will be developed with help of French by mating M-88 core with India's Kaveri engine but according to buzz in aviation circle is that talks with French have failed due to opposition by IAF who wanted new engine to be developed based on current Kaveri engine and was not in support of such joint venture .

Interesting questions still remains which engines will power AMCA ? We'll according to many media reports AMCA will be powered by Two 90-110 KN engines with thrust vectoring capabilities , only engines which currently Fits the bill of thrust vectoring capability is AL-31 engines currently powering IAF's Su-30MKI but each AL-31 engines produces 123KN of power , which seems like a over kill for an 25 tonnes Medium category aircraft , Then again even AL-41 engine which will power FGFA belongs to a Heavy category class and will not be viable for AMCA .

Another Russian option could be R-33OVT engines which comes with 3D thrust vectoring capability and the same non thrust vector variant powers Naval Mig-29K and Mig-29SMT upgraded aircrafts in IAF . HAL currently builds them locally under licence and in terms of power will suit the bill but then again this engine are no next generation cutting edge technology which are usually associated with 5th generation planes .

Last one who can chip in are American GE corporation Which can offer enhanced variant of F-414 and have experimented with thrust vectoring in the past but then again such modification and testing takes it own time . But there is likely chance that first AMCA TD -1 might be powered by Non thrust vectoring engines which will allow enough time for Americans to carry out necessary testing and modifications on the final engine which will power Prototypes .

We have put together possible scenarios based on current availability , even if we start developing a new engine for AMCA it is likely that it won't be ready before first flight of AMCA .
 
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EJ2X0, F-414G, RD-33M, and M88-3. These are the engines I can think of as a temporary measure. M88-3 is not yet built, but it may be available depending on UAE. It is the least likely. But the first three are very likely contenders with the first two as the most likely contenders for having greater than 100KN thrust.

These are temporary engines anyway. Hopefully.
 

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EJ2X0, F-414G, RD-33M, and M88-3. These are the engines I can think of as a temporary measure. M88-3 is not yet built, but it may be available depending on UAE. It is the least likely. But the first three are very likely contenders with the first two as the most likely contenders for having greater than 100KN thrust.

These are temporary engines anyway. Hopefully.
Why cant we use all moving tail stabilizers like pak-fa.?
 

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For our design we may not need all moving vertical stabilizers. You will have to ask an AMCA designer this question. :)
I wanted to know advantages and disadvantages.for medium fighter.
 

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I wanted to know advantages and disadvantages.for medium fighter.
Not sure but I guess lighter aircraft gives higher power to weight ratio and thus are more agile and suitable for air superiority in limited area. Where as heavy aircraft on the other hand has a more powerful engine, greater max speed, range, payload delivery,

And being a medium category aircraft, I believe it must be a hybrid of both light and heavy class aircraft. Other than this I don`t think I can notice any major advantages/disadvantages for different class. It surely depends upon the role and requirement of a nation.

Most advanced air forces consist of both medium and heavy category aircraft, So it basically depends upon the requirement in a particular region.
 

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Not sure but I guess lighter aircraft gives higher power to weight ratio and thus are more agile and suitable for air superiority in limited area. Where as heavy aircraft on the other hand has a more powerful engine, greater max speed, range, payload delivery,

And being a medium category aircraft, I believe it must be a hybrid of both light and heavy class aircraft. Other than this I don`t think I can notice any major advantages/disadvantages for different class. It surely depends upon the role and requirement of a nation.

Most advanced air forces consist of both medium and heavy category aircraft, So it basically depends upon the requirement in a particular region.
My question is related to my previous poast.wh question is.Why AMCA has fixed vertical stabilizers instead of allmoving vertical stabilizers just like pakfa.
 

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