AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[mokoman]

My blood boils hearing such situation of the forces. A civilization with 800 years of slavery did not learn from mistakes.

Modi must understand another Xitler is rising in the north and it is do or die situation.

chinese are planning to build 60 new airports in tibet by 2035 , 40 by 2030 . 100+ helipads , heliports . 855 km alternate road across tibet already build last year , cause current road g219 could be blocked by IA . all of these will be dual purpose .

i think chances of a big india-china war is near 0 , but like openhimmer says in the movie , its not zero . feels like govt is playing it really cool/slow . not much concerned as usual .

 

[mamamia12]

chinese are planning to build 60 new airports in tibet by 2035 , 40 by 2030 . 100+ helipads , heliports . 855 km alternate road across tibet already build last year , cause current road g219 could be blocked by IA . all of these will be dual purpose .

i think chances of a big india-china war is near 0 , but like openhimmer says in the movie , its not zero . feels like govt is playing it really cool/slow . not much concerned as usual .

I think any sort of full scale invasion is not possible, its not like they gonna occupy majority of the land and even in case, we may have a chance to take back. Since both are nuclear powers and we are in Modi era where generic cuckress style response is rare. With cheap internet access unlike in 1990s or 2000s kargill where majority are ignorant about and didn't care about border situation, even the most lefturd guy will lust for blood of batmunchers. The point is compared to past India has improved a lot and even if we lose 1000 i believe even with substandard equipment our army can make enemy lose 800 if they want. But, sure we will definitely take a beating. Another thing everyone should notice is that the chinese intrusions in border is not merely to landgrab but straight from US playbook of keeping neighbors unstable (small pp syndrome) to prevent any sort of economic growth via foreign investments. Every time a gora company wants to invest in India or move their business from China to India, which china obviously unwilling will randomly spike up tensions so as to project India not a ideal location to invest.

 

[shade]

I think any sort of full scale invasion is not possible, its not like they gonna occupy majority of the land and even in case, we may have a chance to take back. Since both are nuclear powers and we are in Modi era where generic cuckress style response is rare. With cheap internet access unlike in 1990s or 2000s kargill where majority are ignorant about and didn't care about border situation, even the most lefturd guy will lust for blood of batmunchers. The point is compared to past India has improved a lot and even if we lose 1000 i believe even with substandard equipment our army can make enemy lose 800 if they want. But, sure we will definitely take a beating. Another thing everyone should notice is that the chinese intrusions in border is not merely to landgrab but straight from US playbook of keeping neighbors unstable (small pp syndrome) to prevent any sort of economic growth via foreign investments. Every time a gora company wants to invest in India or move their business from China to India, which china obviously unwilling will randomly spike up tensions so as to project India not a ideal location to invest.

We need to have long range missiles to hit their precious coast and south-eastern China.
If our location is not ideal to invest, their too shouldn't be.

 

[mamamia12]

We need to have long range missiles to hit their precious coast and south-eastern China.
If our location is not ideal to invest, their too shouldn't be.

That point has sailed past. The Investments in China is a result of gora sahib not wanting to pay fair wages to their own countrymen along with resource rich China. Now, even in 2014 from the moment Modi was elected, the decoupling from Western Economy has long begun only to be accelerated by Chinese virus. So, as of today gora sahib investments in India is itself an ALTERNATIVE to china among the available choices like Vietnam or Malaysia or Indonesia. We are truly not a replacement to China. Even if we propped up the forces you conjured to threaten china whether in form of hundreds of batteries along borders or in form of Submarines or destroyers, Gora sahib will put us in our place through economic sanctions. So, the situation is we were/are/will never be in a situation where Gora sahib thinks its better to invest in India than China due to forthcoming instability in China due to aggressive India. Its only China ITSELF becoming hostile to western economy are they pulling out of it.

 

[raju1982]

chinese are planning to build 60 new airports in tibet by 2035 , 40 by 2030 . 100+ helipads , heliports . 855 km alternate road across tibet already build last year , cause current road g219 could be blocked by IA . all of these will be dual purpose .

i think chances of a big india-china war is near 0 , but like openhimmer says in the movie , its not zero . feels like govt is playing it really cool/slow . not much concerned as usual .

I agree to first part. But after seeing what happened in Doklam, Balakot, Galwan i think the chances are very high. Thier main aim is Arunachal and Siligjri corridor. What China learned from West is "keep your enemy alive and in war, while keep hourself runnu g business". Skirmishes with India satisfies many reqs for Xitler, his holds on PLA is stronger, show the countrymen about a powerful threat, keep PLA's josh high, bring new war heros.

Also salami slicing of others land and "only power can move things" are in their social culture.

 

[The Maverick]

Unless India gets it's act together and builds up our military with a force fit to defend against china in north and to smash Pakistan quickly we are asking to lose territory the super power of China.

They are two decades ahead of us now

We need minimum deterrence

Nukes won't stop china they know we can't use them ...China will annex land we are ill prepared

China has formidable military now we are in serious trouble

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Here we go.. thats the current status. What is the defence minister doing? a project of national importance should move on. Why cant they make AMCA PPP enough juicy like Air India for private secyor to show interest?

Private sector wants a low risk, high reward approach which is why they will happily screwdriver foreign tech rather than invest in actual R&D

 

[Anupu]

The period from 2025 to 2035 will be the most difficult for the Indian military. We need quick induction of at least 300 more aircraft including some fifth-gen fighters like Yesterday. That means we need to bite the proverbial bullet on MMRCA ASAP and if possible buy 2 squadrons of fifth-gen fighters off the self.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

That's not even a joke .

 

[no smoking]

chinese are planning to build 60 new airports in tibet by 2035 , 40 by 2030 . 100+ helipads , heliports . 855 km alternate road across tibet already build last year , cause current road g219 could be blocked by IA . all of these will be dual purpose .

Very interested in to know your source about these 60 and 40 airports.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Unless India gets it's act together and builds up our military with a force fit to defend against china in north and to smash Pakistan quickly we are asking to lose territory the super power of China.

They are two decades ahead of us now

We need minimum deterrence

Nukes won't stop china they know we can't use them ...China will annex land we are ill prepared

China has formidable military now we are in serious trouble

China does not have formidable military it's heavy weight aircrafts can't takeoff with full fuel & payload from altitudes of Tibet there soldiers can't stay in those high altitude areas for long time.. china is economically devasted 30% real estate is collapsing along with 7% construction... Take a look at how many houses they build and how much is there population.. there majority people have devalued there money ,, property in China is like gold in india...
There net fdi is negative more money is going out that's it coming inside there birth rate has fallen down..if they had to fight they would have began way before this economic crisis. There last unemployment number was 22% after which they stopped publishing and banned anyone universities professors from releasing such numbers... It's rocket force is exposed when do you fire commanding people ' ??xi fired so many people from rocket force to pla chief generals..
If hal tejas has problem do I fire air chief or hal CEO..
China fired them because there is rampant corruption in there military...
There this modern railways all look crazy as hell but they are making loss of billion and were only mean to take them out of 2007-8 crash or atleast have +be growth numbers no wonder contracts were given cpi members indeed there parliament has highest number of billionares...
Pla daily is official handle they themselves said we are not ready for any conflict.. there army bases building in Tibet are pressurised so Chinese soldiers can sleep...
China can never sustain a conflict 4000km away from mainland who will provide them logistics Bhai yaha se brahmos jayenga sidha air bases dhukega..
Chinese themselves say india has somewhere around 7-14k brahmos...
China is not in position they tried in galwan but lost more soldiers what happened in tawang how were they beaten up with sticks...

 

[FalconSlayers]

First flight 2030

 

[mamamia12]

First flight 2030

So did he explicitly say that ?

 

[FalconSlayers]

So did he explicitly say that ?

DRDO chairman said

 

[mamamia12]

DRDO chairman said

So has everything been cleared regarding funds or all approvals.

 

[raju1982]

DRDO chairman said

DRDO chiefs are saying many things for decades. Time is just number for tbem. But on the field, our soldiers, pilots are facing issues. If AMCA rolls out in 2030 (y years from now), first flight will be around 2032 and induction by 2042.

Modi must privatise HAL and handover aero development from ADA to HAL.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

DRDO chiefs are saying many things for decades. Time is just number for tbem. But on the field, our soldiers, pilots are facing issues. If AMCA rolls out in 2030 (y years from now), first flight will be around 2032 and induction by 2042.

Modi must privatise HAL and handover aero development from ADA to HAL.

Lol, typical of "so-called" defense nerds , blame an institution for no fault of theirs

 

[karn]

Lol, typical of "so-called" defense nerds , blame an institution for no fault of theirs

Not blaming anyone or anything.
But it is desirable to have the design and production be under the same entity .. it is the norm the world over for aircraft anyway.

 

[Azaad]

Lol, typical of "so-called" defense nerds , blame an institution for no fault of theirs

While his reasons for suggesting what he did can be debated , show me one country other than Russia which has a separate design centre from the mfg centre. Yet this is the model we've consistently followed & are yet to make amends.

Ideally these labs of the DRDO like ARDE for instance should've been merged with the OFB producing such small arms & the latter modernised apart from being coporatised having independent control outside the overwhelming one exercised by the MoD , which was implemented in half measure.

The recent DRDO reformation commission too diagnosed the problem correctly but came out with a different line of treatment.

This can only mean that eventually , the OFBs will be faced with a fait accompli once the Pvt sector comes into defence production in a big way .

@abingdonboy has been flagging the issue since years having written elaborately on what needs to be done.

 

[karn]

While his reasons for suggesting what he did can be debated , show me one country other than Russia which has a separate design centre from the mfg centre. Yet this is the model we've consistently followed & are yet to make amends.

Ideally these labs of the DRDO like ARDE for instance should've been merged with the OFB producing such small arms & the latter modernised apart from being coporatised having independent control outside the overwhelming one exercised by the MoD , which was implemented in half measure.

The recent DRDO reformation commission too diagnosed the problem correctly but came out with a different line of treatment.

This can only mean that eventually , the OFBs will be faced with a fait accompli once the Pvt sector comes into defence production in a big way .

@abingdonboy has been flagging the issue since years having written elaborately on what needs to be done.

Not even Russia .. UAC does the design as well as production.. only their nuke subs are designed by a separate design bureau.