AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Lonewolf]

Yes

Siva pod

 

[FalconSlayers]

Siva pod

??

 

[Lonewolf]

??

For targeting isn't it

 

[FalconSlayers]

For targeting isn't it

Which one you’re talkin‘ about?

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Spitfire9]

Fuck no we should not join this fuckass project. Also note that we need to stay 100 miles away from any defence project that involves Germany.

Because?

 

[Lonewolf]

Because?

Germans are not trust worthy , and there is no assurance that they would be interested in more funds and less involvement of others , we don't want to collaborate with them in any sense on fighter jet ,

 

[Vamsi]

Siva pod

No,its not for targeting, it's SAR pod

 

[Chinmoy]

@Chinmoy are you sure.

Pretty much.
But as I mentioned in the tweet to, let the thing come out first for any kind of confirmation. Till then everything is guess work only

 

[IndianHawk]

FCAS


AATMANIRBHAR THING IS NICE BUT WE SHOULD PARTICIPATE IN PROG LIKE FCAS OR TEMPEST BEC
FROM DECADES WE ARE USING RUSSIAN PLATFORM AND OUR SARKARI PROG ARE NOT IITANS
IT WILL GIVE BETTER EXPOSURE TO OUR SCIENTIST, PROGRAMMERS ON MANY SUBJECT
LIKE AI, SENSOR FUSION ETC.

Timeline for fcas are pretty similar to amca. Which means it won't be much advanced to amca.

The only advantage could be variable bypass engine but that too has to be developed from scratch for fcas. Other than that how will it be ahead of AMCA??

We are already catching up with Europe in GAN tech and weaponary sfdr / rudram series. So there is not much this fcas project offers us

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

Timeline for fcas are pretty similar to amca. Which means it won't be much advanced to amca.

The only advantage could be variable bypass engine but that too has to be developed from scratch for fcas. Other than that how will it be ahead of AMCA??

We are already catching up with Europe in GAN tech and weaponary sfdr / rudram series. So there is not much this fcas project offers us

Not really i don’t think so it will be ready before 2040 more like in 2045!
it is supposed to be a heavy weight fighter which could be used to replace su30mki
15 squadrons could be replaced by 10.

advantage will be more than just the engine as these countries spend alot for R&D thus the tech that is achieved is reliable and valuable which could be used in other projects aswell and volume and commonality across platform reducing cost!

we are in catching state with their current tech in which being honest will take a decade/2030 for example in civil sector we do make good automotive engines but still their engines are way refined and better preforming!
Thus joint development will help Us alot more than one can perceive...

 

[Spitfire9]

Timeline for fcas are pretty similar to amca. Which means it won't be much advanced to amca.

The only advantage could be variable bypass engine but that too has to be developed from scratch for fcas. Other than that how will it be ahead of AMCA??

We are already catching up with Europe in GAN tech and weaponary sfdr / rudram series. So there is not much this fcas project offers us

Leonardo UK:
Experts from the Team Tempest electronics lead, Leonardo UK, are developing new radar technology capable of providing over 10,000 times more data than existing systems.

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RR are looking at a novel approach to electricity generation in their proposed engine for Tempest.

I guess that while India is catching up with where Europe has got to, Europe will pull ahead of AMCA in the next few years.

 

[Spitfire9]

Timeline for fcas are pretty similar to amca. Which means it won't be much advanced to amca.

The only advantage could be variable bypass engine but that too has to be developed from scratch for fcas. Other than that how will it be ahead of AMCA??

Not quite from scratch - RR was working on variable bypass engine technology under a US government contract 10 years ago (ADVENT).

Rolls-Royce delivers ADVENT technology milestone

Rolls-Royce has achieved a significant milestone in the Adaptive Versatile Engine Technology (ADVENT) research program, delivering the adaptive fan system rig on schedule to the U.S. Air force Compressor Research Facility (CRF).

www.rolls-royce.com

 

[IndianHawk]

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RR are looking at a novel approach to electricity generation in their proposed engine for Tempest.

I guess that while India is catching up with where Europe has got to, Europe will pull ahead of AMCA in the next few years.

Leonardo and RR both are in team tempest and not in fcas. Tempest future is not secure as partners are financially much weaker compared to France and Germany.

Yes Europe in general will remain somewhat ahead for next decade but it's nothing ground breaking. All new is still to be developed and in between they can only do incremental improvement.

I guess Europe will have nothing to export to india by 2040 barring the new engine tech perhaps .

 

[IndianHawk]

Not quite from scratch - RR was working on variable bypass engine technology under a US government contract 10 years ago (ADVENT).

Rolls-Royce delivers ADVENT technology milestone

Rolls-Royce has achieved a significant milestone in the Adaptive Versatile Engine Technology (ADVENT) research program, delivering the adaptive fan system rig on schedule to the U.S. Air force Compressor Research Facility (CRF).

www.rolls-royce.com

Fcas engine will be by Safran and MTU. Both of which were out of f35 program and have to start from beginning.

 

[Tshering22]

Because?

The German government has a law to stop all military cooperation and supply with a country that gets involved in a war. Now you might think this is only for countries that are aggressors; not necessarily. The German constitution has been heavily edited similar to that of the Japanese after 1945 and the US keeps a close eye on everything that Germany sells overseas.

Their philosophy is that sustained weapon supply continues to aggravate war and cause more damage to the economy and lives. Therefore, if they stop supplying weapons, the countries would be forced to seek out a diplomatic solution to end confrontations.

While this is not their standard policy as they officially delineate foreign policy with weapons sales, over the years, they more often than not, cave into the US pressure tactics and arm twisting. Basically, unless you are a woke-ass, self-loathing, identity-less joke of a region like Swedistan, they won't sell to you. Also, if you are not white and are not a part of NATO, then good luck securing spares during a war.

Also, Germany does not have a very favorable military view of us. They think of us as in the same leagues as Turkey, Saudi, Pakistan, etc.

While their government does not explicitly say it, they convey this by asking their companies to not sell to "faulty democracies with corruption and human rights concerns".

Look at this garbage:

H&K to only will in the future only sell to countries that are truly democratic and free from corruption and that are members of NATO

Getting into any defense agreements with the Germans who are nothing but a US colony is risky. It was a smart decision to not go for the Typhoon even if they were capable of the same things that the Rafales were since the two main manufacturers of the jet are the UK and Germany. While the former is known to meddle in India's political affairs, the latter is a messed-up concoction of post-War guilt, confusion, and US colonialism.

 

[Spitfire9]

Leonardo and RR both are in team tempest and not in fcas. Tempest future is not secure as partners are financially much weaker compared to France and Germany.

Yes Europe in general will remain somewhat ahead for next decade but it's nothing ground breaking. All new is still to be developed and in between they can only do incremental improvement.

I guess Europe will have nothing to export to india by 2040 barring the new engine tech perhaps .

Got you, you were talking about the tri-national FCAS in Europe. Tempest is a technology programme. I guess that it will put UK, Sweden, Italy in a better position to estimate (a) what capabilities they could get if they moved to giving the fighter development a go ahead and (b) what the cost would be.

I hope you are right in thinking that India will only need to import new engine tech perhaps by 2040.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

Any details regarding RR & DRDO JV engines being an adaptive cycle engine or a normal high thrust engine??
However, if possible DRDO & govt should push for adaptive cycle engine!

there was some news as DRDO & RR will work for AMCA engines first then for mk2 & TEDBF coz to be sure the AMCA engine doesn’t cost way more than projected!
hinting to be...

 

[Spitfire9]

Any details regarding RR & DRDO JV engines being an adaptive cycle engine or a normal high thrust engine??

No idea. It would be interesting if a journalist from the Indian media could get someone in the know to provide that information. Anonymously, of course, as per usual!

However, if possible DRDO & govt should push for adaptive cycle engine!

From the 2009 RR press release it appears that they designed an adaptive cycle engine and GE subsequently completed the design and built the engine. That took about a decade, it seems. I guess RR would take many years to do the same if GOI and DRDO chose to develop an adaptive cycle engine. I'm not too sure how much of a contribution DRDO would be able to make in developing such an engine. The cost might be alarming, too: 15-30 times what was spend on Kaveri development?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

In some interview Dr. AK Ghosh of ADA was heard saying pixellated camo breaks the lock of the IIR missile seeker.

IIR missile track heat exhaust from the engine. How will pixelated camouflage breaks the lock of the IIR missile seeker! If it was so easy no countries would be using flares but only pixelated camouflage and IIR missiles would be obsolete.