AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Trololo]

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This one,don't know the purpose of this thing yet.

Thats a TnF gun to blind the enemy pilot at the enemy's 6'o clock. (TnF = Tar and Feather)

 

[shiphone]

jet fuel starter

 

[fire starter]

jet fuel starter

Are u sure but it's not seen in other models. I don't think they would do such mistake on 5th gen jet.

 

[Bleh]

F-35’s single engine is the biggest problem it faces, it is very bulky and thick.

WTH man. Being "thick" is not an aerodynamic drawback!.. It's not hypersonic aircraft toneed sears-haack shape. MWF is "fatter" than LCA.

F-35 is shaped for stealth & is aerodynamically limited (as he pointed out) for that reason.

I am not an expert in stealth and aircraft design. But all open literature points to this fact. F-35 was supposed to be an "affordable" fighter without the maintenance woes of the F-22. If it were so great then why has US congress still held on to the F-22 export embargo? Pray answer. F-35 has known kinematic drawbacks which many people from pilots to engineers have highlighted in depth. Me saying it won't add any magic.

I figured that when you said this...

F-22 on the other hand hasn't compromised much in kinematic capability, but is well behind F-35 in sensors and avionics.

F-22 lags in sensors because its 25years older platform. Installed tech like sensor & avionics aren't limited by aerodynamic shapings.

F-35 is definitely behind F-22 stealthwise (please don't imply I said otherwise), but AMCA is significantly more aerodynamically shaped than it (I could even make out the area-ruling on the back, completely absent in F-35) which means, unless somehow our materials technology is significantly ahead of US, AMCA can't possibly meet its stealth numbers.

 

[Bleh]

What’s Su-57 RCS?

Publicly available figure is 1m².. That's AMCA should comfortably beat.

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This one,don't know the purpose of this thing yet.

Most likely an APU.. Tejas has a similar scoop on the spine.

 

[SavageKing456]

WTH man. Being "thick" is not an aerodynamic drawback!.. It's not hypersonic aircraft toneed sears-haack shape. MWF is "fatter" than LCA.

F-35 is shaped for stealth & is aerodynamically limited (as he pointed out) for that reason.



I figured that when you said this...
QUOTE]F-22 on the other hand hasn't compromised much in kinematic capability, but is well behind F-35 in sensors and avionics.

F-22 lags in sensors because its 25years older platform.

F-35 is definitely behind F-22 stealthwise (please don't imply I said otherwise), but AMCA is significantly more aerodynamically shaped than it (I could even make out the area-ruling on the back, completely absent in F-35) which means, unless somehow our materials technology is significantly ahead of US, AMCA can't possibly meet its stealth numbers.
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I completely understood lmao
Good one.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Publicly available figure is 1m².. That's AMCA should comfortably beat.


Most likely an APU.. Tejas has a similar scoop on the spine.

Rafale’s clean RCS is also 1m2, isn’t it?

 

[Bleh]

I completely understood lmao
Good one.

Rafale’s clean RCS is also 1m2, isn’t it?

That or lesser.. Don't matter as it can't fly clean.

 

[Killbot]

F-35 is definitely behind F-22 stealthwise (please don't imply I said otherwise), but AMCA is significantly more aerodynamically shaped than it (I could even make out the area-ruling on the back, completely absent in F-35) which means, unless somehow our materials technology is significantly ahead of US, AMCA can't possibly meet its stealth numbers.

Considering AMCA will be flying in clean config and will incorporate EW elements, does it even need to match those numbers? What is the detection range for a 0.05m^2 target in any of our adversaries' airborne radars, anyway? I doubt it is anything meaningful.

 

[fire starter]

Publicly available figure is 1m².. That's AMCA should comfortably beat.


Most likely an APU.. Tejas has a similar scoop on the spine.

Then why it is not present in other models. In 5th gen jet these apertures are conformal.

 

[Bleh]

Considering AMCA will be flying in clean config and will incorporate EW, does it even need to match those numbers? What is the detection range for a 0.05m^2 target in any of our adversaries' airborne radars, anyway? I doubt it is anything meaningful.

Agreed.. Note, that 0.05m² is just random estimate compared to Su-57, but while flying externally clean AMCA will decimate any non-stealthy competition like Rafale.

RCS is always coupled with EW. Noone will depend solely on stealth.. That'd be stupid!

 

[SavageKing456]

Agreed.. Note, that 0.05m² is just random estimate compared to Su-57, but while flying externally clean it'll decimate any non-stealthy competition.

RCS is always coupled with EW. Noone will depend solely on stealth.. That'd be stupid!

Any idea what RCS amca would have considering it has good aerodynamic shape.

 

[Bleh]

Then why it is not present in other models. In 5th gen jet these apertures are conformal.

Most likely because those were just representative of the design & monir kinks hadn't be decided yet.. The older scale models were more crude.

Like MWF's gun. We found nothing on where this illusive thing will be placed.. some tips about it being on the wing-root turned out to be impossible (would hit the canards).

 

[Killbot]

Any idea what RCS amca would have considering it has good aerodynamic shape.

Dude... It is literally in the post you've quoted..

 

[fire starter]

I still believe this is the final design since ADA is having habit to recycle old designs.

 

[Bleh]

Any idea what RCS amca would have considering it has good aerodynamic shape.

No claims.. It should beat Su-57, but I doubt it'll reach F-22/35 level.. They concentrated fully on the stealth & they have RCS the size of a bee & sparrow respectively. Bit unnecessary if you have active EW system. 0.05m² is the size of a crow, 1 m² is the size of a crane.

I still believe this is the final design since ADA is having habit to recycle old designs.
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The present one is 95% that design only, but with significant refinements here & there.

This here is an intermediate stage.. You'll notive the vertical stabilisers lost their previous shape (<link) & tail-extensions still retain their old look, while the horizontal stabilisers have been clipped.

 

[SavageKing456]

Some one said amca would have 80% composite material by weight and would surpass USAF F22 in RCS,is it true?

 

[SavageKing456]

I still believe this is the final design since ADA is having habit to recycle old designs.
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Even i think so

 

[fire starter]

Most likely because those were just representative of the design & monir kinks hadn't be decided yet.. The older scale models were more crude.

Like MWF's gun. We found nothing on where this illusive thing will be placed.. some tips about it being on the wing-root turned out to be impossible (would hit the canards).

Dude APU is present in all the existing 5th gen jets but none of them have such scoop after applying so much efforts I don't think they would do such mistake.

 

[Trololo]

I thi

WTH man. Being "thick" is not an aerodynamic drawback!.. It's not hypersonic aircraft toneed sears-haack shape. MWF is "fatter" than LCA.

F-35 is shaped for stealth & is aerodynamically limited (as he pointed out) for that reason.



I figured that when you said this...

F-22 lags in sensors because its 25years older platform. Installed tech like sensor & avionics aren't limited by aerodynamic shapings.

F-35 is definitely behind F-22 stealthwise (please don't imply I said otherwise), but AMCA is significantly more aerodynamically shaped than it (I could even make out the area-ruling on the back, completely absent in F-35) which means, unless somehow our materials technology is significantly ahead of US, AMCA can't possibly meet its stealth numbers.

There is some misunderstanding going on here: My clear statement is that the F-22 will be significantly behind the AMCA on avionics and also the MWF (on some aspects), as well as the F4 Rafale. WRT kinematic performance it's ahead of all three as per available literature.