AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Trololo]

hmm but he got a point though,its really hard
Reforms are not welcomed in this country
Example is so called farmer protest and OFB protests
I am sure once we bring these reforms again some hooligans would come at streets.
We can never grow unless we embrace reforms

Let them come on the streets. Tire them out. Fire some if possible to set an example.
Upcoming census and parliamentary delimitation should take a lot of power away from rural population.
Some bureaucracy reforms like career path specialisations for bureaucrats is a good move. But more needs to be done here.

 

[Bleh]

The gods of YouTube has dropped the perfect video, just as I was struggling to elaborately explain the AMCA aerodynamics & stealth. That's why AMCA can't be nearly as stealthy as F-22/35 originals.. My guess is about 0.05m²

 

[SavageKing456]

The gods of YouTube has dropped the perfect video, just as I was struggling to explain the AMCA aerodynamics & stealth.

Doesn't AMCA design from back looks a little odd because of that useless inlet?

 

[Bleh]

Doesn't AMCA design from back looks a little odd because of that useless inlet?

Dude don't use terms like "odd". How am I to understand that?

Also which useless inlet to you mean?.. There are no useless decorations on a jet.

 

[FalconSlayers]

The gods of YouTube has dropped the perfect video, just as I was struggling to elaborately explain the AMCA aerodynamics & stealth. That's why AMCA can't be nearly as stealthy as F-22/35 originals.. My guess is about 0.05m²

What’s the point of having a 0.05m2 RCS aircraft? I assume it’s RCS will be twice of F-35 considering the stealth tech used. 0.05m2 is a way more exaggerated figure.

 

[Trololo]

F-35 has significant compromise in kinematic capability in exchange for BVR and sensor capability. And stealth of course. F-22 on the other hand hasn't compromised much in kinematic capability, but is well behind F-35 in sensors and avionics. Heck it will be behind the AMCA, and possibly Rafale F4 and even LCA Mk2 (in some aspects only). Its upto us to choose our aircraft based on threat perception.

 

[Bleh]

What’s the point of having a 0.05m2 RCS aircraft? I assume it’s RCS will be twice of F-35 considering the stealth tech used. 0.05m2 is a way more exaggerated figure.

Better than all 4.5th+ gen & 5th- gen out there.. Plus will fly clean config in stealthy mode, unlike Tejas.

It could be an exaggerated figure, but I'm being conservative. I prefer it to living in dreams. AMCA design is highly optimised for aerodynamic performance, that's bound to take a toll on stealth... Lots of edges aren't even aligned for that reason only (while studying the shaping, sometimes it would look a lot like Mig-29 from the back )

Heck it will be behind the AMCA,

Are you sure you're qualified to make such a massive claim (especially just by looking)?..

 

[Trololo]

Better than all 4.5th+ gen & 5th- gen out there.. Plus will fly clean config in stealthy mode, unlike Tejas.

It could be an exaggerated figure, but I'm being conservative. AMCA design is highly optimised for aerodynamic performance. Lots of edges aren't even aligned for that reason only.



Are you sure your qualified to make such a massive claim?..

A bit yes. Have worked on software with some multi national and domestic avionics firms.

 

[Bleh]

A bit yes. Have worked on software with some multi national and domestic avionics firms.

But you're saying such a comperative statement about specifications just by looks!

Like it's a known info that they downgraded the F-35 RCS to 0.005m² to curb maintenance cost... Let's see if you can "have a look" & tell us what changes were made?

 

[FalconSlayers]

But you're saying such a comperative statement about specifications just by looks!

Like it's a known info that they downgraded the F-35 RCS to 0.005m² to curb maintenance cost... Let's see if you can "have a look" & tell us what changes were made?

One thing that the youtube guy forgot that even though Su-35 and F-22 are same category aircraft, F-22’s engine nozzles reduce the thrust output by a significant margin.

 

[FalconSlayers]

But you're saying such a comperative statement about specifications just by looks!

Like it's a known info that they downgraded the F-35 RCS to 0.005m² to curb maintenance cost... Let's see if you can "have a look" & tell us what changes were made?

Also AMCA is smaller in size than F-22 and F-35. A clean Tejas alone has 0.5m2 RCS, so if Tejas could carry internal weapons it would have been 0.5m2 RCS aircraft.

 

[Bleh]

One thing that the youtube guy forgot that even though Su-35 and F-22 are same category aircraft, F-22’s engine nozzles reduce the thrust output by a significant margin.

Everyone knows that at this point.. Even after that the net power output is significantly higher than Su-35 (that's why Su-57 needs a different, more powerful engine as it faces the same issues).

Plus stealth aircrafts fly clean config.

 

[Trololo]

But you're saying such a comperative statement about specifications just by looks!

Like it's a known info that they downgraded the F-35 RCS to 0.005m² to curb maintenance cost... Let's see if you can "have a look" & tell us what changes were made?

I am not an expert in stealth and aircraft design. But all open literature points to this fact. F-35 was supposed to be an "affordable" fighter without the maintenance woes of the F-22. If it were so great then why has US congress still held on to the F-22 export embargo? Pray answer. F-35 has known kinematic drawbacks which many people from pilots to engineers have highlighted in depth. Me saying it won't add any magic.

CLARIFICATION: My earlier comment was based on avionics. Not kinematics.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Everyone knows that at this point.. Even after that the net power output is significantly higher than Su-35 (that's why Su-57 needs a different, more powerful engine as it faces the same issues).

Plus stealth aircrafts fly clean config.

What’s Su-57 RCS?

 

[FalconSlayers]

I am not an expert in stealth and aircraft design. But all open literature points to this fact. F-35 was supposed to be an "affordable" fighter without the maintenance woes of the F-22. If it were so great then why has US congress still held on to the F-22 export embargo? Pray answer. F-35 has known kinematic drawbacks which many people from pilots to engineers have highlighted in depth. Me saying it won't add any magic.

F-35’s single engine is the biggest problem it faces, it is very bulky and thick.

 

[Trololo]

F-35 has significant compromise in kinematic capability in exchange for BVR and sensor capability. And stealth of course. F-22 on the other hand hasn't compromised much in kinematic capability, but is well behind F-35 in sensors and avionics. Heck it will be behind the AMCA, and possibly Rafale F4 and even LCA Mk2 (in some aspects only). Its upto us to choose our aircraft based on threat perception.

CLARIFICATION: I meant in terms of avionics. Not kinematics.

 

[Trololo]

F-35’s single engine is the biggest problem it faces, it is very bulky and thick.

I was talking in terms of avionics. Not kinematics. My bad.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[FalconSlayers]

I’m happy they are working on honeycomb Radar Absorbant Materials.

 

[SavageKing456]

Dude don't use terms like "odd". How am I to understand that?

Also which useless inlet to you mean?.. There are no useless decorations on a jet.

This one,don't know the purpose of this thing yet.