AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Ar.gaurav28]

Now tell me in why haven't he written amca mk 1 or mk 2 , both are not same , we are thinking of dew and optionally manned in mk 2 but is drdo a place full of scared ass who can't add sidebays , but at the same time so daring genius who will implement top line tech like dew and all .

no engine of mk2 will not be just a drop fit , otherwise it wouldn't be mk2 but mo1 with indigenous engine .

Let's compare thrust class of mk2 , it will have about 150-152 kn dry thrust , and some odd 225+ kn wet thrust , we have seen evolution of amca design where it changed drastically in a year .

Dry thrust is about same as su 30 mki , which has mtow of 38 ton , ew 18.5 ton .

So if we are developing a indigenous engine with tvc possibly then why won't they even aim for 32 ton mtow weight or a beast , design can be enhanced , we should have patience with mk1 , and have trust in mk2 , we may see capability enhancement of mk1 in mid life but yeah no sidebays in mk1

I agree with you AMCA mk2 variant should be atleast 30ton.
with 2X125KN thrust engine.
just slight correction as the comparison with su30mki will be incorrect as we all know stealthy design is a aerodynamic nightmare thus it requires better t/w ratio.
F22 has2X156KN thrust engine and still max takeoff weight of 38tons.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

No point in future for dogfight, drones will become too deadly.

But drones killing drones won’t end any war thus chances are still there for dog fight, area might increase 15-50km. CCM with heat seeking sensors like python 5 will be more deadly as they will be the true stealth killers in the sky!

bvrs like aim120 can still be dogded as proven by su30mki will be even easier with low radar cross section fighters.

 

[Lonewolf]

I agree with you AMCA mk2 variant should be atleast 30ton.
with 2X125KN thrust engine.
just slight correction as the comparison with su30mki will be incorrect as we all know stealthy design is a aerodynamic nightmare thus it requires better t/w ratio.
F22 has2X156KN thrust engine and still max takeoff weight of 38tons.

But f 22 have to sacrifice a lot of thrust due to its nozzle , some say it lose about 20% of thrust due to it

 

[Lonewolf]

But drones killing drones won’t end any war thus chances are still there for dog fight, area might increase 15-50km. CCM with heat seeking sensors like python 5 will be more deadly as they will be the true stealth killers in the sky!

bvrs like aim120 can still be dogded as proven by su30mki will be even easier with low radar cross section fighters.

It would be like meteor type for longer lange and python in ccm and mid range

 

[flanker99]

By 2022 you mean prototype construction or first flight?

Roll out by 22.....FF a year after

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

It would be like meteor type for longer lange and python in ccm and mid range

meteors performance against a good stealthy fighter is still unknown!
for others no escape zone is of 60km.
i think active radar homing tech is already at it’s peak but yeah adding hypersonic missile in the mix does changes things as reaction time will be reduced to none.

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

But f 22 have to sacrifice a lot of thrust due to its nozzle , some say it lose about 20% of thrust due to it

Even if that’s the case!
typhoon uses 2X90KN+ for 23ton i.e 180KN+
for a 30ton you will need 240KN+ Thrust

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

Hope to have same performance if not better from AMCA!

 

[Kchontha]

F22 raptor vs jf 17 thunder, whatta joke....

 

[Ar.gaurav28]

F22 raptor vs jf 17 thunder, whatta joke....

AMCA vs jf17 could be realistic future...

 

[FalconSlayers]

AMCA vs jf17 could be realistic future...

Yes, at the end AMCA will need something for breakfast.

 

[SARTHAK]

Yes it should have

it would have but not of f35 style but of rafale type which is NOT much inferior to f35 but f35 one will be more complicated to implement

 

[fire starter]

Now it's pretty confirmed.

 

[Lonewolf]

Now it's pretty confirmed.
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@FalconSlayers nibba ,go to Himalayas ,have some deep breath , this news will cure your anxiety

 

[FalconSlayers]

@FalconSlayers nibba ,go to Himalayas ,have some deep breath , this news will cure your anxiety

EOTS ke baare me batado, fir mai chup chaap bina mask ke ghar se nikal lunga.

 

[THESIS THORON]

Now it's pretty confirmed.
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WHAT IS RANGE OF EO DAS????

 

[SavageKing456]

Now it's pretty confirmed.
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I remember we Would have a similar system as that of DAS not exactly same though

 

[fire starter]

I remember we Would have a similar system as that of DAS not exactly same though

That's why I specifically asked EO DAS.

 

[SavageKing456]

For time being I am more concerned about MoD approval than anything.
Cause funding is important or face delay,rest comes on Hal and other private player's