Super maneuver ablility is not that critical in the future of air to air combat.infact it is quite vestigial and will probably be discarded by all militaries as a requirement.if your jet requires that in any circumstance,then already you have encountered an unfavorable situation and you should have not got into it in the first place.TVC ke bina AMCA kya hai? MK2 will come in 2034. I wanted to see AMCA MK1 as a super manoeuvreable aircraft.
Aren't there quite a few situations in which fighters are sent up to make sure their country's airspace is not violated? I had a friend who flew the BAC Lightning. Lightnings frequently intercepted Soviet Bear bombers over the North Sea (which separates UK from Norway). In a way, the job was to show yourself to the potential intruder. Had those Bears been escorted by fighters I am pretty sure that interception at very close range would have still been the order of the day.Super maneuver ablility is not that critical in the future of air to air combat.infact it is quite vestigial and will probably be discarded by all militaries as a requirement.if your jet requires that in any circumstance,then already you have encountered an unfavorable situation and you should have not got into it in the first place.
for those roles su 30mki or even tejas mk2 is thereAren't there quite a few situations in which fighters are sent up to make sure their country's airspace is not violated? I had a friend who flew the BAC Lightning. Lightnings frequently intercepted Soviet Bear bombers over the North Sea (which separates UK from Norway). In a way, the job was to show yourself to the potential intruder. Had those Bears been escorted by fighters I am pretty sure that interception at very close range would have still been the order of the day.
I think there are many situations in which there is the potential for short range combat (eg along disputed borders). Additionally 2 fighters patrolling their own borders can come into close contact. If there is great tension between the countries concerned, combat at short range could take place, could it not?
We are in a phase of consolidation as well as expanding into futuristic technologies in defence research at DRDO. In last one year itself, five Astra missile systems were delivered to IAF, three sets of 10m Short Span Bridging system given to Indian Army, Indian Maritime Situational Awareness to Indian Navy, first Heavy Weight Torpedo Varunastra were handed over to Indian Navy while JVPC underwent the final phase of user trials. In addition, many systems have successfully undergone trials and are now ready to be inducted into the services.In 2020, DRDO has conducted 12 trials within six weeks. This includes MRSAM, HSTDV, Dhruvastra, QRSAM, Rudram, SMART, BrahMos, SANT, Prithvi-2, Nirbhaya Cruise Missile and the like. Trials of the Nirbhay cruise missile, Nag missile, man-portable anti-tank guided missile and other systems have been successfully conducted in the past one year.
What is the status of jet engine/aero engine for such program? Are we exploring international collaboration with global OEMs for joint co-design and development?The configuration of AMCA is frozen and PDR of the configuration is completed. The detailed design activities have commenced and rollout of the first prototype is planned in first half of 2024. The production of AMCA is planned through an SPV which will have large participation from private industries in addition to HAL.
The aircraft is being designed such that the indigenous engine will fit with minimal changes in the configuration. Kaveri engine design has given enormous experience in various aspects of engine design & development. We are working out the collaboration with engine houses having complementary capabilities for making the new engine with in the country. We are getting closer to achieving the desired technology. We are also expecting international collaboration.For LCA Mk2, a bigger GE 414 engine is planned to be used and the test trials of the aircraft are expected to happen by 2022. While AMCA Mk-1 will have the same engine, the AMCA Mk-2 will have an indigenous engine. The LCA Mk-2 engine will be replaced with an indigenous one at a later stage.
It was noted that 40% of DRDO’s budget is spent on maintenance and manpower, leaving a lesser margin for buying critical equipment, testing platforms and project development? What is your take in this?The Capital allocation for DRDO has been increased to Rs 11,375.50 crore. This is an increase of 8 per cent over 2020-21 and 8.5 per cent over 2019-20.
Accordingly, the preliminary design of DRDO AIP is forwarded to the designers. Further action from IN is awaited for next course of action.Regarding P75I as per IN request, initial level of interactions have been done with four foreign designers and preliminary interface requirements are obtained from three designers. The preliminary design of DRDO AIP system is studied and feasibility is established for integration of the same in all the three platforms proposed by the designers.
The system is being developed by Naval Materials Research Laboratory (NMRL) of DRDO.Today DRDO launched Fuel Cell based Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) System which crosses important milestone. AIP has a force multiplier effect on lethality of a diesel electric submarine as it enhances the submerged endurance of the boat, several folds. Fuel cell-based AIP has merits in performance compared to other technologies.
Abhyas is an expandable aerial target for practice firing by Armed forces. It is being used for many SAM trials and has enormous potential for use for practice sessions.MALE UAV TAPAS BH-201 (Rustom II) programme has an operational range of 1000 km and payload capacity of 350 kg with an endurance of 24 hours at 30,000 ft altitude. It will carry variety of payloads such as Long Range Electro Optic (LREO) payload and Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) MPAR, ELINT, COMINT, IFF, TCAS, UCR etc. depending upon the ISR mission requirements.
Saras (crane) Mk1 multi-purpose light civilian aircraft, designed by the National Aerospace Laboratories (NAL), which works closely with HAL, DRDO and the IAF–what is the case now?The USP of DRDO’s proposed light tank for the Indian Army is that it will be fitted with High Altitude Operable Power pack (Engine + Transmission) of 1000hp and will be capable of firing multiple ammunition. This tank may be called as “highest altitude operable tank in the globe”. The design work has commenced and we will bring out the timelines.
There are many other defence technologies and systems DRDO has taken up for development. DRDO will be responding ably to the future war fighting requirements of the tri-services with advanced technologies. Constructive criticism is welcome and we will continually strive to improve ourselves. Considering the number of systems and technologies that DRDO is working on, DRDO has optimally deployed its scientific manpower on important projects.A number of activities pertaining to various systems like AEW&C, AMCA, Guided Pinaka, Radar systems, Missile systems, Underwater Unmanned Systems are planned for 2021.
Why so ,guys,how realistic is it that Amca will fly first prototype 2025 or 2026 and initial.ops clearance is 2030 .
imo I can't see first this entering service 10 years after first flight ie,2035 or more
Tejas took just about 13 years from first flight Jan 2001 to IOC Dec 2013. Even with the development and testing experience gained from Tejas, 4-5 years from AMCA first flight to IOC looks mighty challenging to me. How many aircraft would be involved in the test program?guys,how realistic is it that Amca will fly first prototype 2025 or 2026 and initial.ops clearance is 2030 .
imo I can't see first this entering service 10 years after first flight ie,2035 or more
For us tejas mk2 will be more important than amca, the mk2 will surely tell the progress we made and give us an indication of what we can achieve in amcaWhy so ,
Just because of timeline of others or any other reason.
Well remind you , most countries delayed either due to lack of funds , too many component manufacturer , lack of experience , and some others
We are doing a concurrent program , we are building a less advanced version of sensor in tejas mk 2 , radar will be commonality among tedbf , amca , inputs from tejas mk 2 , tejas mk 1a .
Airframe is more or less confirmed , cfd studies are helping a lot .
Many tech like fly by wire are already in development , if we had to follow kfx suite we could had first flight in 2023 itself .
We are doing research on conformal antenna , proper info may come out after 2 3 years , stealth coating is in development and milestone are achieved , but a lot of work is remaining to make it less maintenance hungry.
MFD , mission computer are being developed for mk 2 , which would give us experience to build better and advanced mission computer ,hope they achieve f 35 level , fly by optic is in Development also a lot of components which seems insignificant but cause hurdles are being realised and solved .
First flight will most probably in end of 2025 ,with some delays .
We are too much coped with tejas saga , but future projects are different story ,this year funding will be released most probably and ada will go in mission mode.
Look at aerodynamic it is much more refined , and won't require major changes .
We are not trying something unachievable , china was in almost same state and did j 20 , even though they haven't designed planes by themselves earlier , don't say tejas is a copy of mirage 2000 , they are different .
We have a good design ,what is required is funding and we will get it on time
Why don’t we do joint development of tech with IPR remaining with us, so that it happens early and is of high quality.Ok few points here....
1. AMCA 1:1 for stealth and design test to be ready by 2022. Metal cutting already started and first prototype is planned for first half 2024. Most tech required are already developed and can be matured with a decade and even later as improved AMCA Mk2 is already planned out for production 2034 to iron out kinks. Currently minimum 3-4 prototypes are planned.
2. AMCA won't go KF-X as TEDBF is more of KF-X which might either converge with AMCA or go for stealth in mk-2 if required.
3. Project AZM is a joke. J-31 or even move low maybe J-20 will become AZM in next 7-8 years. As no testing is required similar to block 3 of intergalactic fighter.
Lastly I believe if current government stays for one more term, there are high chances of deadline to be met or delayed at max by a year or so. Keep eye on first ground test vehicle by 2022 and rest can be seen as per that schedule and AF MK2 is 2026 for production.
Which tech , this is required in engine part only , tell me other field , if ew suite is your answer ,then maybe we should wait 2 3 years to anwer that ,as our advanced ew suite are under development , this tech won't be ready too early like other parts but will surely be on timeWhy don’t we do joint development of tech with IPR remaining with us, so that it happens early and is of high quality.
No other tech except engine is currently an issue for self development. It seems great idea to go for joint development but discussions, negotiations and after development contracts etc. are quite a hassle and is best to be avoided if u have capability to self develop any tech. We are quite ahead in many fields than most its just we are lacking in publicity or more to say propaganda & lobbying department as well as can't fully release info due to our world standing. Don't worry, if something really bad doesn't happen, this will change quite dramatically in couple of decades.Why don’t we do joint development of tech with IPR remaining with us, so that it happens early and is of high quality.
Regarding EW suite we have absolutely zero performance comparisons so any claims to speed up or delay production to improve it is a bit hasty IMO. I for that have to believe it is what IAF asked for till told otherwise by official sources.IMHO though many wud disagree ,we should focus more on amca ew suite and electronic support measures like rwr, maws, lrf etc and make sure the amca sensors going into tejas mk2 (even if mk2 gets late by a year or 1.5 yrs) that will help us for amca and give us the rquired time to come up with fully optimized version of amca
Sounds right and reasoned to me. I think it is a shame that a non-PSU was not included in the programme . It would have meant HAL learning more about working with private industry, knowledge that could help in the AMCA programme.mk2 will surely tell the progress we made and give us an indication of what we can achieve in amca
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