AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[ARVION]

What is RV 2?

A single engine Stealth Aircraft's.

 

[Akula]

A single engine Stealth Aircraft's.

Is it real or just speculation?

 

[ARVION]

Is it real or just speculation?

Once a DRDO's Chief's Said and it struck, no official statement was given later's.

 

[Adrian Corvus]

What is RV 2?

Research Vehicle.

Basically two numbers of prototype vehicles. One scale model for ground test, another for flight test for various active stealth tech.

Out of these, one is already made.

Answered in DRDO thread

 

[ARVION]

 

[Bleh]

What I don't understand about AMCA is why they backtracked on the internal payload?!..

The initial designs had i weapon bays that could hold 5 BVRs & 2 more CCMs in side-bays.

Now is just one single bay, that too carries only 4 missiles.

 

[SKC]

What I don't understand about AMCA is why they backtracked on the internal payload?!..

The initial designs had i weapon bays that could hold 5 BVRs & 2 more CCMs in side-bays.
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Now is just one single bay, that too carries only 4 missiles.

Can it adjust rear tyres properly in the body if the weapons bay is big enough for 5 bvrs and side bays?
I think current bay design is optimal to adjust other parts at the rear side.

 

[IndianHawk]

What I don't understand about AMCA is why they backtracked on the internal payload?!..

The initial designs had i weapon bays that could hold 5 BVRs & 2 more CCMs in side-bays.
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Now is just one single bay, that too carries only 4 missiles.

We don't know the definitive configuration . We will probably only know when actual prototype is build.

Also even if side bays are removed that's probably only to speed up mk1 and may be back in mk2.

 

[Varun794]

What are your thoughts on the points made by Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I kinda respect the guy but from what I've read about AMCA, data fusion and radar technology is something they're paying attention to.
Plus in the past few weeks I've come across the thing called Foreign defence lobbyist so not sure whether Abhijit is just being a critic or is one of those lobbyist lol

 

[Steven Rogers]

What are your thoughts on the points made by Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I kinda respect the guy but from what I've read about AMCA, data fusion and radar technology is something they're paying attention to.
Plus in the past few weeks I've come across the thing called Foreign defence lobbyist so not sure whether Abhijit is just being a critic or is one of those lobbyist lol

Economist lecturing on technology ha ha.

 

[BangaliBabu]

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DRDO related??

 

[Ajax01]

Stealth airborne systems are low observable platforms, which bring together technologies in the field of aerodynamics, electromagnetics and material science. Radar absorbing materials/ structures play a key role in the design of such stealth airborne platforms. In this paper, a radar absorber has been fabricated based on the design of a non–periodic metallic patch coated with graphene. The simulation result of the novel design over an ultra-wideband (1 to 60 GHz) yields good absorption (99.93 %). With the constraint of fabrication facility, a small unit cell of the structure has fabricated and measured. The measurement result shows a good agreement with the simulation results. The absorption bandwidths, thickness, weight of the structure are some of the key elements that were considered in the design model. It has been observed that, the design allows the electric potential tuning by changing the Fermi energy of graphene layer. The significant absorption of the proposed design in ultra-wide band shows that it has potential applications in RF stealth technology.
By a Chief Scientist of NAL
I cannot access full document. Seems pretty good over a huge band.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

What are your thoughts on the points made by Abhijit Iyer Mitra. I kinda respect the guy but from what I've read about AMCA, data fusion and radar technology is something they're paying attention to.
Plus in the past few weeks I've come across the thing called Foreign defence lobbyist so not sure whether Abhijit is just being a critic or is one of those lobbyist lol

He is a lobbyist but I don't know if that is fueled by money or Hollywood movies.

Some of his arguments are addressed here.

A Factual Response To A Recent Article About India’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft Project | Delhi Defence Review

The attitude of the Indian Air Force (IAF) towards indigenous aircraft projects is often a…

delhidefencereview.com

Foreign lobby is very real and powerful. We are talking about deals worth billions of $.

 

[Varun794]

He is a lobbyist but I don't know if that is fueled by money or Hollywood movies.

Some of his arguments are addressed here.

A Factual Response To A Recent Article About India’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft Project | Delhi Defence Review

The attitude of the Indian Air Force (IAF) towards indigenous aircraft projects is often a…

delhidefencereview.com

Foreign lobby is very real and powerful. We are talking about deals worth billions of $.

Exactly why I was a bit skeptic because from what I had read and researched DRDO is knees deep in EW and rador technology and other important stuff.
Sucks though, Abhijit has some amazing views and analysis when it comes to strategic matters.

 

[WARREN SS]

Economist lecturing on technology ha ha.

he is confused to many things
DAS looking range 1600 km but how effective it really is in.Air to.air combat
BVR range is hardly 50 km NEZ (aim -120D)beyond that you can easily out munuever

Basically its VLO design that makes F-35
Hard to detect.
But still it will be detected around 130-150 km by modern belyka AESA of Su-57

What Russians need is better BVR with AESA seeker or EW

Iam still not sure how F-35 can take out Rafale or Eurofighter armed with meteor & AESA

Anything under 100 km air combat will be
Kill zone for more modern MBDA missiles

 

[Steven Rogers]

he is confused to many things
DAS looking range 1600 km but how effective it really is in.Air to.air combat
BVR range is hardly 50 km NEZ (aim -120D)beyond that you can easily out munuever

Basically its VLO design that makes F-35
Hard to detect.
But still it will be detected around 130-150 km by modern belyka AESA of Su-57

What Russians need is better BVR with AESA seeker or EW

Iam still not sure how F-35 can take out Rafale or Eurofighter armed with meteor & AESA

Anything under 100 km air combat will be
Kill zone for more modern MBDA missiles

He is a good story teller,he is still selling the short life of Al31F engine type story. Their is no autonomous landing capability on any manned Russian aircraft nor in any western aircraft yet he manged one to land in russia which is hilarious...most of his points on LCA and AMCA is very wrong...hell they are wrong on the chinese aircraft,also he nuts when he compares B-2,F22,f35 stealth all together,which again is stupidly hilarious and I couldn't stop laughing on that point....

 

[Varun794]

I mean sure he did get carried away there. But I don't believe cherry picking stuff to discredit his arguments make any sense, we'd just be missing the bigger picture.
I mean technically we still don't have an indigenous engine, the development of Uttam Aesa radar is a good thing but we surely don't know how great it's going to be, the avionics are still shrouded in mystery.
All we do hear about is stealth and maneuverability, which is great but let's also be honest that just maneuverability is not what it takes to make a state of the art fighter jet in 2020, our electronic warfare technology needs to be top notch and we shouldn't make any compromises because imo this AMCA project is the make or break project for India's future aviation sector.
Not trying to be negative or anything though, hope we do come up with something brilliant!

 

[Karthi]

CAD models of RAF Tempest.

Tempest is the RAF's next generation combat aircraft, coming into service from 2035 to replace the Typhoon.

Technologies for Tempest.

Tempest will bring a ‘plug and play’ approach, where software and hardware can be easily changed in and out depending on the capability and functions needed for a mission. That could be different kinds of weapons, sensors, or fuel tanks.

This innovation removes the usual rigid structures of assembly and will make manufacturing more cost effective and flexible than before.

ACHIEVING THE CONCEPT

Tempest will provide several modes of operation, combining manned, unmanned and optionally-manned platforms, with onboard and offboard data processing and a range of pilot decisions aids when manned flight is being conducted. This is called scalable autonomy.

Scalable autonomy will be key in the future as operating environments become more complex and threats become more sophisticated and dangerous.

Speed, manoeuvrability and payload will also be key in the future. Our aerodynamicists and engineers are optimising the aerodynamic performance of the Tempest concepts to achieve what we call balanced survivability design.

POWERING THE NEXT GENERATION OF COMBAT AIRCRAFT.

Tempest needs a range of high-density power and propulsion system to be world beating.

To achieve this RAF developing advanced composite materials and additive manufacturing to produce lightweight, power dense configurations capable of operating at higher temperatures, also developing world-leading electrical generation technology and intelligent integrated power management to power Tempest's advanced sensors and effects, particularly those which are laser-based. They will need much more electrical power than previous generations of aircraft.

This integrated power approach reduces the number of energy exchanges, maximising the potential of the gas-turbine as the primary power source.

The development of these electric technologies is also expected to benefit civil aerospace and other sectors in their drive towards a sustainable future.

WEARABLE COCKPIT

RAF working towards a concept of cockpits without a single physical dial or screen.

Instead, pilots will wear a next generation augmented and virtual reality helmet that will project interactive cockpit displays and controls directly in front of their eyes.

Other pilot support concepts such as virtual assistants are also being developed and tested.

This work is continuing and flight trials are now being planned to test some of these innovations in a real environment.

BATTLE-WINNING INFORMATION ADVANTAGE

The Tempest operator will be able to think and act two to three steps ahead of their adversary because of the advanced and highly-integrated sensors, non-kinetic effects, and communications systems.

This huge advantage will allow them to take the fight to the enemy and deliver a range of missions including team defence and surveillance.

All of these systems will be highly-integrated, and designed to work seamlessly together, unlike current fighter jets that tend to be separate pieces of equipment, such as separate radar and electro-optics.

Operators will be able to make decisions with more confidence because they are not relying on single sensors. Instead, multiple types of sensors will work in concert to gather information which is automatically cross-checked and cross-referenced by the Tempest system.

Tempest will constantly mine and coordinate data from multiple sources, such as other aircraft, to provide extremely reliable and useable information, that can in turn be shared with other aircraft in a ‘combat cloud’.

FACTORY OF THE FUTURE

BAE Systems’ Factory of the Future facility, in North West England, is already showcasing the advanced manufacturing capabilities to revolutionise how we will build, maintain, support and upgrade aircraft of the future.

Technologies, such as augmented reality, additive manufacturing, and collaborative robots will ensure consistent and perfect build quality, whilst significantly reducing build times and costs.

For instance, we have already tested building an aircraft fuselage by robots that were bought off the shelf from the automotive industry.

RAF also working to develop fully deployable versions of maintenance and support technologies which can be easily and quickly deployed to operational bases and forward locations.

A DIGITAL FUTURE

A digital future combat air system will produce unparalleled volumes of data which can be used to transform the delivery of mission support and new capability. For instance, we can create ‘digital twins’ to test new components.

The creation of a digital future will help experiment, innovate, test and prove ideas and technologies faster than ever, and develop systems which are more connected, agile, and adaptive than anything previously thought possible.

NEXT GENERATION EFFECTORS

Innovative weapons systems and effectors are at the heart of Tempest's cutting-edge design and technologies.

Tempest needs to support existing weapons, planned weapons, and the weapons of the future. For instance, the next generation Beyond Visual Range Air-to-Air Missile Meteor and the network enabled precision surface attack missiles of the SPEAR family of weapons, will be optimised for Tempest.

Effectors will be used to protect Tempest by helping to assess and evaluate incoming threats, and then in managing the deployment of the appropriate method to defeat it.

Also working to make effectors part of Tempest's sensor network, to further enhance the information available to pilots and operators.

FLEXIBLE PAYLOAD BAY

Tempest will have the capability to carry weapons internally, rather than being attached externally, to be highly survivable in a combat role.

Operators will be able to carry different payloads, such as fuel tanks and camera pods, to adapt Tempest to a wide range of combat and surveillance roles.

Tempest team working on creating a payload bay that can handle the noise, vibration and other challenges of supersonic speeds. Tests have already been run on this capability in ground-based rigs.

MISSION SYSTEMS

Tempest team contributing to the PYRAMID Open Mission System and exploiting technologies developed in the Ground Based Air Defence command and control domain.

This will enhance the operational effectiveness of Tempest in Air-to-Air engagements.

 

[Karthi]

3D renderings of Dassault next generation fighter

 

[fire starter]

India accelerates AMCA fighter development Published July 24, 2020 | By admin SOURCE: Shephard Press Limited The Indian Air Force (IAF) is working feverishly with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and the Aeronautical Development Agency to develop the indigenous Advanced Multirole Combat Aircraft (AMCA). The modular design of the fifth-generation twin-engine single-seat aircraft is said to be finalised. ‘That is what we are putting our energies into,’ ACM Rakesh Kumar Singh Bhadauria said recently. More than most of his predecessors, Bhadauria has supported the need to focus on indigenous design and manufacturing. Six squadrons of AMCAs are planned initially. The first flight is expected in 2024-25, followed by trials and tests. It will be in full production by 2029, to be followed by the Mk2 version by 2036. Amid the ‘Make in India’ mantra, HAL could soon announce a JV along with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and a private company to progress the AMCA programme. Once signed, it will be the first time the private sector has worked on the same platform as HAL rather than just being a tier supplier. Raman Sopory, founding president of the Aerospace & Defense Consultants Society of India, said: ‘HAL has to constantly evolve and there must be an export angle to this.’ Plans to work with Russia on joint development of a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) were set aside by early 2017. ‘We have no plans to import any FGFA, nor will we enter into any joint agreement with a foreign country,’ said Bhadauria. The twin-engine AMCA, which is to have an indigenous AESA radar, has been a long time coming. In 2018, $60 million was allotted for prototype design and R&D. The project will face similar technology and knowledge transfer challenges as FGFA, because ‘no nation is willing to share its stealth technology’, a senior official admitted. However, an agreement is on the cards between the UK and India to co-create a new 110kN jet engine for which India will get IP. The new engine core will not be based on the Eurojet EJ200 due to the complex IP ownership within the EuroJet Turbo consortium. Anil Gupta, military head of Airbus India, said: ‘Getting ToT [transfer of technology] for a new engine design is good progress from the technology infusion point of view.’ The initial contract with Rolls-Royce is likely to be for 140 engines over a nine-year period. Before then, the 25t-class AMCA will be powered by the General Electric F414 delivering more than 90kN of thrust. South Korea’s KF-X also uses the F414. Stealthy aircraft carry weapons in internal weapon bays to avoid detection. However, the Indian-made Astra beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile is 3.6m long. ‘Since it doesn’t fit into the bay, its length will have to be reduced,’ said an official. An unmanned version of the AMCA will have to wait. ‘Any system needs proper control and guidance. The pilot-in-the-loop system has to be replaced. Challenges remain on where they will test it…It isn’t easy and, at the moment, it is wishful thinking,’ a senior IAF engineer told Shephard on condition of anonymity.

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website https://idrw.org/india-accelerates-amca-fighter-development/#more-231506 .