AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

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Hyperspectral Imaging is a next-generation imaging technology which enables vision beyond visible spectrum. The human eye sees color of visible light in mostly three bands (long wavelengths - perceived as red, medium wavelengths - perceived as green, and short wavelengths - perceived as blue), spectral imaging divides the spectrum into many more bands. This technique of dividing images into bands can be extended beyond the visible.

The goal of hyperspectral imaging is to obtain the spectrum for each pixel in the image of a scene, with the purpose of finding objects, identifying materials, or detecting processes. Recently Hyperspectral Imaging is being exploited for defence applications, as different materials can be identified then, algorithms could be set to identify materials used in missiles, military aircrafts their signatures etc. Military researchers have started to analyze the operational utility of hyperspectral imaging for detection, recognition and identification of targets, including low-signature targets. Large ‘spectral signature liabraries’ are being created to enable Hyperspectral Imaging sensors to quickly identify the enemy's weaponry, it's type and even potential from a considerable distance. The methodology can detect objects as small as IEDs and Land Mines and can differentiate materials of detected object even from normal glass to armoured glass.

You must have heard about detection techniques of 5th generation fighters including the F-35’s DAS and EOTS which provides Infrared and Thermal detection and targeting of enemy assets. Well the Hyperspectral Imaging is a tech meant to be more advanced than these 5th generation techs.

On 29th November 2018 India launched HySIS satellite, it's first Hyperspectral Imaging Satellite. In future their will be multiple Hyperspectral imaging satellites constantly doing surveillance activity over enemy territory. India's HAL AMCA will be highly networked fighter aircraft. Currently Indian Air Force uses ODL as a data link connecting it's assets to seamlessly share data within each other.

In future HAL AMCA on a mission would be able to recieve ‘live’ hyperspectral imagery about it's target, enemy's defensive weapons, their type and their current state as being hot or cold. The AMCA will be equipped with better situational awareness tools than the current 5th generation fighters like F-35. The HAL AMCA along with capability to recieve Hyperspectral Images and use them for targeting will have many sixth generation fighter features inside it. India has already made massive investments in Hyperspectral Imaging and already have an operational satellite based on this technology.

For more info in India's Hyperspectral Imaging Capabilities

https://mark20x.blogspot.com/2018/11/isros-hyperspectral-imaging-satellite.html?m=1

For more info on Hperspectral Imaging defence applications please watch this video.

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[fire starter]

This seems very likely. Russia will need some bone thrown at them. Su 57 with full avionics, radar and engine upgrades along with refinements in stealth is what may be procured around 2026-27.

I expect FGFA (Su 57 MKI) numbers of around 125 - 144.

fuck su57 it is not even stealthy.

 

[vampyrbladez]

fuck su57 it is not even stealthy.

Su 57 is equal or marginally better than F 22 in kinematic performance assuming it's the final version with Item 30 engines . It has 0.5 msq RCS which puts it in same class as 4++ MMRCA aircraft in terms of stealth. However it has 270 degree AESA radars and dual wing mounted L band IFF AESA sensors and possibly a tail mounted X band radar. Thus it can act more of an "anti - stealth" platform and can hold it's own in the Heavy Weight Category.

 

[asianobserve]

Su 57 is equal or marginally better than F 22 in kinematic performance assuming it's the final version with Item 30 engines . It has 0.5 msq RCS which puts it in same class as 4++ MMRCA aircraft in terms of stealth. However it has 270 degree AESA radars and dual wing mounted L band IFF AESA sensors and possibly a tail mounted X band radar. Thus it can act more of an "anti - stealth" platform and can hold it's own in the Heavy Weight Category.

It's so good that Turkey would rather buy SU-35 despite Putin personally marketing to Erdo SU-57... It's so good that even the IAF got out of the program. I mean Algeria is its first foreign customer to be followed by Myanmar... those are illustrious air forces. China only ordered Su-35 despite Su-57 being available...

The Russia Air Force itself is ordering 98 Su-35s but it's only ordering 78 Su-57. The only explanation here is that overall Su-57 is at par or only marginally better than older generation SU-35.

 

[fire starter]

first of all major quality of 5th gen fighter is stealth your weird excuse of anti stealth can be done using ground radars and moreover in a2a combat first spot is first kill

 

[IndianHawk]

This can be one of the few 5Th generation fighter which Pakistan can buy.

It's seriously doubtful that turkey will be able to develop a jet engine.

Turkey never built a 4th gen jet. It's economy is too weak to develop any fighter jet.

I wish Pakistan puts it's 5th gen hope on turkey instead of China. Porky Turky alliance would surely produce roohani jets.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Turkey never built a 4th gen jet. It's economy is too weak to develop any fighter jet.

I wish Pakistan puts it's 5th gen hope on turkey instead of China. Porky Turky alliance would surely produce roohani jets.

But turkey have been building spares and other parts for American defence industry.
For example they are building critical parts for F-16 and they have been partnered with British BAE system with edrogan in power he can idiotically push funds for this program. But i don't think they can develop a jet engine they initially panned to use British EJ-2000 in this jet.

Let's see how this fighter grows.

( ANKARA, Turkey — The Turkish government is keen to revive talks with Rolls-Royce for the design and production of its first indigenous fighter jet, the TF-X, a top cabinet minister has said.

Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said the government wants to move forward with its planned cooperation with Britain for the production of the new-generation aircraft. But Turkey must first select an engine for the TF-X and then finalize the aircraft’s full design — a process that has has lagged behind schedule.

Its aerospace and procurement officials now aim to fly the TF-X in the 2025-2026 time frame, despite an original target of 2023.

A £100 million (U.S. $132 million) deal between Rolls-Royce and Turkish manufacturer Kale Group was effectively put on hold amid uncertainties over technology transfer.

In October 2016, Rolls-Royce offered a joint production partnership to Turkey to power Turkey’s planned platforms. The offer also involved potential sales to third parties. The British company’s proposal also included a production unit in Turkey to manufacture engines for the TF-X, as well as for helicopters, tanks and missiles.


A year before that, in October 2015, a memorandum of understanding was signed between Turkey and Rolls-Royce for technological know-how and a production unit. Under the plan, Rolls-Royce would launch an advanced manufacturing and technology center in Turkey ― the company’s eighth such unit worldwide.

Also in 2017, BAE Systems and Turkish Aerospace Industries, the prime contractor of TF-X, signed a $125 million heads of agreement to collaborate on the first development phase of the planned fifth-generation fighter jet.

After its membership in the U.S.-led, multinational Joint Strike Fighter program was suspended, Turkey started to look for alternatives for an off-the-shelf bridge gap solution until its own fighter jet can be built.)

 

[IndianHawk]

But turkey have been building spares and other parts for American defence industry.
For example they are building critical parts for F-16 and they have been partnered with British BAE system with edrogan in power he can idiotically push funds for this program. But i don't think they can develop a jet engine they initially panned to use British EJ-2000 in this jet.

Building spares is easy. We have been manufacturing whole su30 in India including components yet LCA experience shows how difficult it is to design a fighter and then producing and operationalization of it. Million things could go wrong.

Turks are over ambitious and over confident. They are in for a rude surprise.

India has actually build a 4th Gen jet with high composite and advanced fly by wire . We have 4.5 gen mk1a and mwf in development with aesa almost ready and our own bvr which outclassed aim 120c5/7 . We have various components ready as mass, rwr , aesa , sensor fusion etc. Yet we are being very careful with AMCA .

Russian couldn't reach f35 level RCS and settled for other improvements.

A 5th gen fighter is the most difficult thing to build in today's aviation. It will take billions of dollars and decade plus of painstaking effort.

 

[janme]

It would be very embarrasing if Turkey is able to do it before us.

 

[ezsasa]

Building spares is easy. We have been manufacturing whole su30 in India including components yet LCA experience shows how difficult it is to design a fighter and then producing and operationalization of it. Million things could go wrong.

Turks are over ambitious and over confident. They are in for a rude surprise.

India has actually build a 4th Gen jet with high composite and advanced fly by wire . We have 4.5 gen mk1a and mwf in development with aesa almost ready and our own bvr which outclassed aim 120c5/7 . We have various components ready as mass, rwr , aesa , sensor fusion etc. Yet we are being very careful with AMCA .

Russian couldn't reach f35 level RCS and settled for other improvements.

A 5th gen fighter is the most difficult thing to build in today's aviation. It will take billions of dollars and decade plus of painstaking effort.

Just because turkey is building an aircraft which follows F-35 design principle, it does not mean it is a 5th gen aircraft.

It’s what goes inside the plane that matters.

In all probability they will build a plane that looks like 5th gen, and declare it a success.

 

[asianobserve]

It would be very embarrasing if Turkey is able to do it before us.

You don't have to be embarassed. Turkey over tge years from being part of the supply chain of Western fighters parts (no matter how small) to assembling whole fighters have gained important fundamental knowledge and experience in aircraft design and manufacturing. It has also been connected to Western supply chain so it knows where to look for what part that they cannot or don't have to make themselves.

The most important advantage of Turkey is exposure to Western fighter tech manufacturing versus Russian fighter manufacturing.

However, despite its experience Turkey on its own still cannot develop 4th or 5th gen jet engine, or AESA radar, or the advanced software necessary for sensors integration. Turkey has to rely on Western companies like Rolls Royce and Northrop Grumman but herein lies its problems. The West is already pissed off with it.

 

[IndianHawk]

Just because turkey is building an aircraft which follows F-35 design principle, it does not mean it is a 5th gen aircraft.

It’s what goes inside the plane that matters.

In all probability they will build a plane that looks like 5th gen, and declare it a success.

Then it will be a huge waste of resources . But I guess being Islamic comes with lying and deceiving their own people.

 

[IndianHawk]

The most important advantage of Turkey is exposure to Western fighter tech manufacturing versus Russian fighter manufacturing.

Funny you say that. The only countries other then USA which have their own stealth/ semi stealth plane flying are russia and China both of which follow russian fighter manufacturing.

 

[IndianHawk]

It would be very embarrasing if Turkey is able to do it before us.

It would be a surprise if turkey remains solvent the way things are going right now.

 

[fire starter]

It would be very embarrasing if Turkey is able to do it before us.

a country which is famous for paint jobs and didn't developed a 4th gen is dreaming to directly develop 5th gen jet what a joke moreover it's timeline for first flight is already slipping every year .AMCA will take first flight in 2026 only condition if proper funds are given and bjp is in power.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

It's so good that Turkey would rather buy SU-35 despite Putin personally marketing to Erdo SU-57... It's so good that even the IAF got out of the program. I mean Algeria is its first foreign customer to be followed by Myanmar... those are illustrious air forces. China only ordered Su-35 despite Su-57 being available...

The Russia Air Force itself is ordering 98 Su-35s but it's only ordering 78 Su-57. The only explanation here is that overall Su-57 is at par or only marginally better than older generation SU-35.

It rather implies how costly this bird is.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Stealth tech we have worked on

Stealth canopies.

https://m.timesofindia.com/india/Scientists-develop-stealth-tech/articleshow/1464563.cms

S duct Inlet.

Can't provide the source but u can probably find it in this thread.

Stealth Paint

https://m.hindustantimes.com/india/iit-develops-stealth-technology/story-lCRAiAM2JfITcoU4ahCRBI.html

Carbon and Titanium Composite.

No need to provide source u can see it already being used in LCA, MKI.
Or u could look at Stertile and Wilsons company websites to know more about our capability.

DSI intake.

Recently showcased in TEDBF presentation.

Retractable Air Refuelling probe.

Planned for LCA Tejas so we can replicate it in AMCA as well.

 

[fire starter]

s shaped air intake it has been realised and all studies on it has been completed.

LRDE is also developing a UWB(ultra wide band) aesa radar can be also used in AMCA .

https://mark20x.blogspot.com/2018/11/is-lrde-developing-uwb-radar-for-amca.html?m=1

 

[Bhurki]

It rather implies how costly this bird is.

But it costs only $35 million.
($2.6B for 76, deal between RuAF and Sukhoi)

 

[Akula]

Funny you say that. The only countries other then USA which have their own stealth/ semi stealth plane flying are russia and China both of which follow russian fighter manufacturing.

In development of jets they may be behind but I am sure they are ahead of us in drone development. Their drones like Anka and Baryakhtar are already operational.