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Does anyone remember about a speech by DRDO's chairman talking about something called the MK2 RV?
 

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Defence ministry to seek Cabinet nod for prototype of desi stealth jet


NEW DELHI: With the IAF now fully backing the indigenous development of a fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), it’s all systems go for the desi stealth jet. The defence establishment plans to seek the Cabinet Committee on Security’s approval for the detailed design and prototype development of the advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) by early next year.

The twin-engine AMCA will basically combine advanced stealth, supercruise (the capability to achieve supersonic cruise speeds without the use of afterburners), super-manoeuverability, data fusion and multi-sensor integration with AESA (active electronically scanned array) radars.

Development of a FGFA is an extremely complex and costly affair, with the American F/A-22 Raptors and F-35 Lightning-II Joint Strike Fighters being the only fully-operational ones around the globe at present. “Both the Chinese J-20 and the Russian Sukhoi PAK-FA do not have the requisite super-cruise and stealth capabilities,” said a senior IAF officer.



DRDO, in turn, rejects widespread concern the developmental saga of the “swing-role” AMCA may go the same way as the long-delayed Tejas light combat aircraft. “The design work on AMCA began in 2009. By 2014-2015, the fighter’s configuration, in tune with IAF requirements, had been worked out.
But the problem was that there was no engine,” said a scientist.

Consequently, the decision has now been taken to go in for two squadrons of AMCA Mark-I with the “available” General Electric-414 afterburning turbofan engine in the 98 Kilonewton thrust class.
“The next five to six squadrons of AMCA Mark-II will have a more powerful 110 Kilonewton engine, which will be developed indigenously with foreign collaboration parallelly. The supercruise of Mark-I will be slightly limited due to the older engine but it will be upgraded in Mark-II,” said a source.


After the Rs 400 crore design sanction for AMCA in December 2018, it will now take “another seven to eight months” for the nod for the prototype development phase at a cost of around Rs 7,000-8,000 crore, which will be required over a decade, said sources.

As per existing plans, the 25-tonne AMCA’s “roll-out from the hangar to the runway” will take place by 2024-2025, with the first test-flight a year after that. “By 2029, the clearance to begin production of AMCA Mark-I should come. Mark-II production, in turn, should begin by 2035,” said the source.

DRDO says the advanced technologies to make AMCA a stealth fighter range from “serpentine air-intake” and an internal weapon bay (internal carriage of smart weapons) to radar absorbing materials and conformal antennae. “Most of the designing for stealth shaping of AMCA has already been done,” he said.

The plan is to produce the single-engine Tejas in greater numbers, with the IAF already committed to acquiring 123 of them. Another 200 Tejas Mark-II, with more powerful engines and advanced avionics, will be inducted at a later stage.

“The first test-flight of Tejas Mark-II or the MWF (medium weight fighter) should take place by 2023. The specialised AMCA, which will cost double the Tejas Mark-II, will be inducted in smaller numbers ... stealth aircraft are expensive,” said the source.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-of-desi-stealth-jet/articleshow/71798166.cms
 

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India’s Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft Programme Gathers Steam With New Developments


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With the Indian Air Force (IAF) making it clear that it is looking for a homegrown solution for its fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) requirement, the Aeronautical Development Agency’s (ADA’s) Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project seems ready to shift to a higher gear. To be sure, ADA, which is controlled by the Defence Research & Development Organization (DRDO), has already made considerable progress towards finalizing the AMCA design configuration that will be taken up for full-scale engineering development (FSED). Much work has also been done towards the development of technologies and systems relevant to the AMCA’s design elements. As such, ADA expects to receive a preliminary staff qualitative requirement (PSQR) from the IAF in the coming weeks, which will serve to further inform the development of two AMCA technology demonstrators (AMCA-TDs).



The Expression of Interest (EOI) to build the two TDs was floated back in 2018 itself and has received responses from several domestic firms. However, given that no single player in the domestic private sector can build such a complex system on its own, a consortium approach involving multiple players is likely to be adopted for the construction of these TDs. In a way, it will be a natural outgrowth of the manner in which major sub-assemblies for the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Mk1 has been outsourced to multiple companies, with integration, checkout and delivery being done by HAL. Overall, a decision with respect to precisely where the two TDs will be built is expected to be taken up within the next six months at the level of the Defence Minister. Be that as it may, both TDs will be ‘full-scope’ demonstrators in keeping with the IAF’s requirements and will be used to test the entire intended flight envelope for the baseline AMCA airframe design. This last part is subject to the availability of higher thrust engines in the future, as we shall see below.



Latest design developments
The AMCA has been designed to be a ‘true’ multi-role twin-engine FGFA with the usual roster of capabilities associated with the same, such as sensor fusion, stealth, supermaneuverability and supercruise (with suitable engines). According to ADA, it will have a max take-off weight (MTOW) of around 25 tons, while being able to carry a maximum of 6.5 tons of fuel internally. Additional fuel for missions may be carried not only in drop tanks hanging from certain underwing stations but also in specially-designed detachable fuel tanks compatible with the AMCA’s internal weapons bay (IWB). Meanwhile, modifications to a range of weapons that will make them suitable for IWB carriage are currently under study. Such modifications would include, for example, the use of folding fins on air to air missiles and glide bombs. Design of ‘eject launchers’ for the IWB is also underway. This ability to carry a mix of fuel and munitions in the IWB will enhance flexibility for both missions where stealth is a priority, as well as where it is not.



Image: AMCA Internal Weapons Bay



The two AMCA-TDs will also feature diverterless supersonic inlets (DSIs) instead of the intakes featured in mockups displayed till date. Design work on DSI is complete and this has apparently resulted in a significant reduction in the overall radar cross-section (RCS) of the baseline AMCA airframe design. As far as flush air data sensors are concerned, ADA’s work on this has grown out of its contribution to ISRO’s Re-Entry Launch Vehicle TD (RLV-TD) project. However, while the RLV-TD flies a predictable and pre-determined path, the flight envelope for the AMCA will be far more complex and a significant amount of work is being put in to achieve flush air data sensing system (FADS) hardware to cater to the same. As of now, a centerline fuel tank carried by a prototype from the LCA family has been modified and fitted with AMCA FADS hardware for the purpose of developmental testing. Interestingly, some developments from the AMCA effort are also finding their way back to the MWF project and even HAL’s Tejas Mk1A programme.



The AMCA baseline design will be developed into two versions suitable for production, namely MkI and MkII. The AMCA MkI configuration will be equipped with an off-the-shelf engine such as the General Electric F414 INS6 which has already been chosen to power the Tejas Mk2 Medium Weight Fighter (MWF). Although, the AMCA baseline airframe has been designed to be powered by a larger engine producing greater thrust, suitable modifications have already been identified that will allow the AMCA-TDs to incorporate, say, the F414 INS6 instead. This in turn will allow the development of the AMCA MkI configuration to be progressed even as India goes about acquiring/developing a new engine that will allow the AMCA baseline design to achieve its true potential, as it were. In any case, the first AMCA-TD is expected to fly by the fiscal year 2024-25, with the AMCA Mk1 configuration projected to enter series production by 2029-30. The IAF has committed to acquiring a couple of squadrons of the AMCA MkI but is naturally looking forward to the MkII to provide it with a major edge on the Eastern front.



Spiral Development and the AMCA MkII
The AMCA MkII is expected to be produced in greater numbers than the MkI and will be equipped with new engines in the 110 Kilonewton (KN) class that will allow the entire performance envelope of the AMCA baseline design to be achieved. For instance, the AMCA baseline airframe will not be able to supercruise with F414 INS6 engines. The IAF desires supercruise capability from its FGFA at a certain altitude and that can only be achieved with a higher thrust engine.



At the moment, however, there is no suitable commercially available engine that meets the performance requirements of the AMCA MkII configuration. Of course, multiple foreign original equipment makers (OEMs) have made offers to DRDO to co-develop such an engine in response to a request for information (RFI), but the matter is not settled, so to speak. The idea is for DRDO’s Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) to enter into a joint-venture with a foreign engine OEM to ‘co-develop’ & ‘co-produce’ the desired engine. Unfortunately, even if the issue were to be decided today, this effort would yield a suitable engine only by the early 2030s. Nevertheless, this engine will be designed to be a ‘drop-in’ replacement (in terms of compatibility with connectors etc.) for whatever is used initially on the AMCA-TDs. It is not entirely clear at the moment, whether more TDs will be built in the future to serve the developmental needs of the AMCA MkII configuration.



After all, the AMCA MkII will not merely be the AMCA MkI with a new engine. Certain ‘sixth generation’ characteristics such as the ability to be optionally manned are being envisaged by ADA for the AMCA MkII. Incidentally, automatic take-off and landing (ATOL) capability, which is a key requirement if the AMCA MkII has to be optionally manned, will be initially tested on an LCA-Navy prototype.



ATOL is, obviously, also a crucial capability for the ‘Ghatak’ single-engined unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) that is currently under development with DRDO’s Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE). This UCAV, with a currently projected MTOW of around 13 tons, will have a wingspan greater than that of the Tejas Mk1. It will be powered by a non-afterburning turbofan developed from the core of the Kaveri jet engine and an initial sum of Rs 500 crores has been sanctioned for this purpose. ADA says that both the IAF and the Indian Navy have expressed great interest in the Ghatak. The IN, in particular, is desirous of acquiring a carrier capable version that can fly as an unmanned ‘wingman’ with its next generation carrier-based fighter slated to be developed under the Twin-Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) programme. But that is a story for another day.



Saurav Jha is the Editor-in-Chief of Delhi Defence Review. Follow him on twitter @SJha1618




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Scaled Models displayed of the AMCA by ADA in last few months also featured 2D Ramped intake but switch to the 3D Diverterless Supersonic Inlet (DSI) has been under works for some time now and after design refinements and wind tunnel testing it has been cleared to be featured from the first Technology Demonstrator (TD)-1 onwards.
 

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MWF-AF and AMCA program team feeling the heat from IAF Chief’s unofficial Race between programs

Published | November 15, 2019

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK



State-owned defense manufacturer Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd already has roped in in private players including L&T (wings), Dynamatic Technologies Ltd (front fuselage), VEM Technologies (center fuselage) and Alpha Doca (rear fuselage) to execute orders for 83 Tejas Mk1A which will be inked by end of March 2020 with Indian Air Force (IAF). But with IAF already showing interest to procure 200 Medium Weight Fighter or (MWF) in near future soon, HAL and Private defense companies are already in talks to further expand the scope of private defense firms in the supply chain so that the order for nearly 200 jets can be executed without delays in the supply chain once the contract is inked.

MWF program is racing against time with its own since current IAF Chief has given strict instructions that order for 200 jets will depend on how fast the aircraft can be ready for production provided it also meets full mission capabilities sought by the Indian air force as AMCA-TD Phase 1 will commence at the same time when MWF will start its flight trials and developmental phase will be around the 2023-25 period. HAL has been tasked by ADA to source assembly rigs and ground tools to construct the first two MWF fighter jets in Initial operational clearance (IOC) configuration and according to timeline set by ADA, MWF should attend Final operational clearance (FOC) configuration status before 2027-28 so that program enters production in FOC configuration and which was not as seen in the Tejas Mk1 program where the first squadron was in IOC configuration and second in FOC configuration.

IAF already has shown intend to procure 36 AMCA Mk1 which as per ADA will go in production from 2029-30 onwards and any delays in the MWF program will only help the AMCA program team which will look to expand further their orders. According to idrw.org sources in multiple agencies, IAF has committed to procure 120+ AMCA jets which include 36 AMCA Mk1 with GE F414-GE-INS6 engine without TVC Nozzle and in IOC configuration and the rest powered by a more powerful engine 110kN thrust class with TVC Nozzle in FOC configuration designated as AMCA Mk2 which goes in production in 2035. While Nodal design agencies for both MWF and AMCA is the ADA, but both programs have different design and development team under different Project managers. MWF program team wants HAL to head the production line as a system integrator with Tier-1 supply line being from private sector companies, AMCA program team which already has sent out Expression of Interest (EOI) to many private and foreign companies and is looking to build first two Technology demonstrator (TD) aircraft of AMCA in Phase-1 ready by 2024 and first flight by 2025 without HAL leading the production line.

While Nodal design agencies for both MWF and AMCA is the ADA, but both programs have different design and development team under different Project managers. MWF program team wants HAL to head the production line as a system integrator with Tier-1 supply line being from private sector companies, AMCA program team which already has sent out Expression of Interest (EOI) to many private and foreign companies and is looking to build first two Technology demonstrator (TD) aircraft of AMCA in Phase-1 ready by 2024 and first flight by 2025 without HAL leading the production line.

There have been talks held with MMRCA 2.0 foreign vendors who are participating in the tender for 114 units of fighter jets to use their upcoming facility to manufacture these jets to be used to develop AMCA fighter jets for IAF post completion of production line orders for new fighters sought from foreign vendors. Since under MMRCA 2.0, tender foreign vendors have to tie up with local Public or Private sector companies, production facility to be created to execute orders for 114 units in India will also get orders for the AMCA fighters. MWF and AMCA programs will be much bigger than the current Tejas Mk1 and Mk1A program due to the sheer number of orders which has been committed by the IAF probably for the first time for the indigenous program. Between both the programs IAF has committed to procure close to 320 units of fighters making up of close to 16 squadrons in the IAF fleet which will be nearly 40% of the fleet size of IAF. Both the teams have been told aircraft which meet full IAF requirements and are in time for production will take the bulk of the orders since order committed by IAF for both programs is fluidic and can change depending on availability and production cycle of each program. MWF will use the same production facility of the Tejas Mk1A in Bengaluru along with the additional facility of the Nashik Plant of HAL where the total production cycle can reach 21 units per year, AMCA is likely to manufactured at upcoming Defence Corridor in Tamil Nadu which is coming up in Coimbatore which prior to the AMCA program will be used to manufacture 114 units of MMRCA 2.0 Winner from 2025-2035 period. Any delays of even 2-3 years in the MWF program and if AMCA program stills to its schedule then MWF order might be reduced by 40-50 units. How MWF Program Team plans to avoid delays. To avoid delays in the program as seen in the Tejas Mk1 program. ADA is working on creating all necessary technologies marked for each program before it starts its developmental phase of the program to avoid delays as seen previously. Major reasons behind missing the deadlines set in the Tejas Mk1 program were due to not maturity of the technology required to maintain the original schedule but in the MWF program, most of the technology required and asked by IAF is already ready or is in trials phase. computer-aided simulation trials of the MWF will also greatly reduce the time required to clear many flight test performance and many key points in the program will be achieved at a much shorter duration. MWF will not have Technology demonstrator (TD) Phase due to the maturity of the technologies and the first metal cutting for the first aircraft will be cut next year and the first fully assembled jet will be ready for first flight in 2022 and the first flight is likely to happen by 2023.

How the AMCA Program Team plans to avoid delays. AMCA Program received seed money from the government of India just a few years ago but the program has been active for almost a decade now in the design board and the design has been changing from time to time with more refinement and stealth characters been tested in wind tunnel models and in the computer simulations so that time is not wasted in design correction and improvements in the later stage as seen with the Tejas Mk1 program. Full 1/1 Scale model will be developed to be tested for its Stealth characters and final design freeze is yet to happen but it will be done before the Technology demonstrator (TD) Phase which is Phase-1 of the program starts. TD program as per schedule will be completed in 3 years and Prototype stage of the program which is Phase-II will commence soon after under which ADA plans to develop at least 7 prototypes to be used for further fast track its flight and developmental trials in next 3 years. while
simultaneously it will start the development of the AMCA Mk1 in 2029 onwards.

https://idrw.org/mwf-af-and-amca-pr...unofficial-race-between-programs/#more-215146 .
 

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Why not drop the Tejas MK2 and make a single engine variant of AMCA?

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Why not drop the Tejas MK2 and make a single engine variant of AMCA?

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Because competition is a good thing in research. Also, AMCA cant fulfill full squadron requirements. Too damn costly it will be.
 

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Why not drop the Tejas MK2 and make a single engine variant of AMCA?

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And why would we start 2 fifth gen project when we are struggling with a fourth gen fighter project.

It would be better to go for AMCA instead of single engine version of it which doesn't exist now.

Nor we have time now nor resources for it.
 

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I don't know how AMCA is being structured and managed but if even countries with advanced and establoshed aerospace industries like UK, France and Germany need partners for their 5th gen projects then Indoa is in an uphill battle. The best course of action would be to team up with foreign countries for critical items like engine, sensors, avionics, hmd, integration, etc. What is important to 1) India gets this program up and running and be able to finish it in 10 years max period; 2) India gains experience in integrating suppliers and developing critical systems.

If India tries to go Nehruistic again on this one then it'll be Tejas Ep. 2.
 

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UK, France and Germany need partners for their 5th gen projects then Indoa is in an uphill battle
Please don't equate us with them, we are not them WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS WITH OUR OWN SOMEWHAT SOLUTIONS.
You are here since years, atleast you must know that.
What they are doing, who the heck cares?
 

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I don't know how AMCA is being structured and managed but if even countries with advanced and establoshed aerospace industries like UK, France and Germany need partners for their 5th gen projects then Indoa is in an uphill battle. The best course of action would be to team up with foreign countries for critical items like engine, sensors, avionics, hmd, integration, etc. What is important to 1) India gets this program up and running and be able to finish it in 10 years max period; 2) India gains experience in integrating suppliers and developing critical systems.

If India tries to go Nehruistic again on this one then it'll be Tejas Ep. 2.
We have already developed or progressing well in all those departments. For engine GE F 414 is chosen as a backup . While GTRE is developing engine where negotiations are ongoing with France.

Russia Israel France these 3 nation will be involved in some extent with this project apart from US engine. Unless we face some sanction by USA in near term this project looks good.
 

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Please don't equate us with them, we are not them WE HAVE OUR OWN PROBLEMS WITH OUR OWN SOMEWHAT SOLUTIONS.
You are here since years, atleast you must know that.
What they are doing, who the heck cares?

Well, the buzzword now is collaboration. You are able to achieve more faster when you collaborate.
 

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Well, the buzzword now is collaboration. You are able to achieve more faster when you collaborate.
Even collaboration is successful when you have some technologies of your own most of the things for AMCA are already been developed it's on design phase from 2008.
Foreign collaboration require billion of $ and sharing your technology for free. Which no one likes to do
Tejas was a learning project. Amca is a step ahead.
Most of the sensor are already developed asea radar developed. Computer software we have one of the biggest software development here. It's the engine and mk-2 version of AMCA will use that. Drdo scientists sincerely believe that they can develop AMCA that was the reason why india left collaboration with Russia.

Old /last news of uttam radar.

 
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