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based on your logic.. compared to turkey, do we have better infrastructure to build advanced aircraft at this point in time.
Yes, absolutely. India has vast Technology base in defence. India makes its own radars, satellite, rockets, missiles, older generation semiconductor (enough for defence), Al31F engine, communication equipment and has vast source codes from development for decades.

Turkey has almost none of these. So, it is just starting to build things from scratch. Till now, Turkey only assembled goods made in EU or US and worked as assembly hub due to cheaper labour and geopolitical requirement of Turkey to NATO in containing Russia and maintaining Bosphorous. But Turkey built no important Technology. Not even high end car engine is made in Turkey.

Russia has actually experience from past. It's economy may not be that big but still substantially big economy. More important, it has a domestic market (it's own armed forces for weapons) and a great reputation in export as well.
Domestic market and other things are irrelevant. Russia doesn't sell Su57 in domestic market to its civilian population!

Russia simply has developed the Technology base by research over 70 years, right from WW2. So, it has the knowledge accumulated and the feedbacks and minute details of problems recorded. As a result, Russia can build military items with relative ease. Russia always focused on MIC from USSR days and this MIC served as the major employment for all highly intelligent people. Even now, Russian MIC is filled with the top brains of Russia.

The combination of years of trial and error and feedbacks obtained from thousands of experiments, Russia has developed a vast database of knowledge and Technology. Combined with the talented people working there, Russia can develop excellent military equipment.

Economy has no relationship in development of military Technology. Only thing a country must have are - Intelligent and reasonable government (Islamists are unreasonable) and enough natural resources so as to be able to have self sufficiency in leading moderately comfortable lifestyle without allowing for external sabotage.

Things like diversification of economy, large economy, market etc are unnecessary.
 

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Curious....
based on your logic.. compared to turkey, do we have better infrastructure to build advanced aircraft at this point in time.
Atleast we have few things. We already have developed and operationlized a 4th gen plane. We have developed our own Uttam AESA, we have our own BVR Astra, we have digital fly by wire system, we have built our own EW system Mayavi which includes RWR, MAWS, LWR, infrared and ultraviolet missile warning sensor, SPJ, ECM, TRD etc.
We have mastered in composites. So it's easier for us to make a next gen plane compared to Turkey.
 

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Domestic market and other things are irrelevant. Russia doesn't sell Su57 in domestic market to its civilian population!
By domestic, I meant Russian armed forces whose inventory requirement is much much bigger.

Russia has a good market inside and a massive potential market outside.
The combination of years of trial and error and feedbacks obtained from thousands of experiments, Russia has developed a vast database of knowledge and Technology.
Indeed it does, it was very capable of investing in R&D. It's still a sizeable economy.
Economy has no relationship in development of military Technology. Only thing a country must have are - Intelligent and reasonable government (Islamists are unreasonable) and enough natural resources so as to be able to have self sufficiency in leading moderately comfortable lifestyle without allowing for external sabotage.
Economy has.

If country starves of funds, it won't be able to conduct R&D in long run. R&D needs funds. The Russia right now has vast experience. It still can keep investing in strategic research but not it used to do before.
Mark my words, Russia won't stay among leaders in military technology in next 30 years.
 

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Mark my words, Russia won't stay among leaders in military Technology
Why so? Russia doesn't lack intelligent people and has no security threats of shortage or Resources. So, unlikely that Russia gets lowered in Technology. May be others like India and China will catch up but Russia will not fall behind
If country starves of funds, it won't be able to conduct R&D in long run. R&D needs funds. The Russia right now has vast experience. It still can keep investing in strategic research but not it used to do before.
What is starving funds? How will funds vanish? Funds are nothing but decision to distribute labour and rewards. As long as people are alive (have sufficient Resources to survive and fend off external aggression), there can be no shortage of funds. Only a social dishevel and chaos caused by sense of betrayal is the way Russia can ever be starved of funds. This is unlikely for near future
 

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Why so? Russia doesn't lack intelligent people and has no security threats of shortage or Resources. So, unlikely that Russia gets lowered in Technology. May be others like India and China will catch up but Russia will not fall behind
People aren't intelligent by default.

Americans don't lead because they are intelligent. So are Russians. Stupid and intelligent people exist everywhere. Better education helps us to further polish their talent, having large populations gives us bigger number of bright minds.

And investing in research gives them room for experiment. There are very small countries with much better IQ rankings and technical & aptitude scores. They don't make it into list.

Russia is fated to fall behind US, China & India in many new techs in upcoming decades. Even probably Japan who is remilitarizing itself.

People are not intelligent by default for any specific country.
What is starving funds? How will funds vanish? Funds are nothing but decision to distribute labour and rewards. As long as people are alive (have sufficient Resources to survive and fend off external aggression), there can be no shortage of funds. Only a social dishevel and chaos caused by sense of betrayal is the way Russia can ever be starved of funds. This is unlikely for near future
You can allocate funds when you have funds. By saying Russia will starve for funds, I didn't mean that it will be totally relevant. It won't able to spend that much on research and will not be that frequent on experiments. It will continue to remain a second tier power like France & UK for long.
 

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That is because Turkey has 0 infrastructure base. It can't even make a third generation plane. It can't make radars and imports the main components of its own radars but falsely brands it as Turkish radar.
Turkey has no real basis for declaring TFX other than ambition. So, it is unviable.


Economy is not the main factor but infrastructure is. Russia doesn't have a huge economy but still can make fantastic planes and military equipment. Turkish problem is in lack of infrastructure.
Economy is huge factor. France , Germany , UK all have great infrastructure but they are still looking for partners for their future projects.

Both USA and china have two stealth program f22 / f35 and j20, fc-31. But Russia despite having bigger airforce than china is only having one stealth program why? Economy that's why.

Many Russian programs are stuck due to economic rut. Economy is the reason for such small number of su57 order.

Remember the boasting before India pulled out. Russian were going to order 200 pakfa now merely 76 on order that too till 2026 . Why because Russian economy has shrunk.

5th 6th gen fighters are very costly. Barring f35 almost all will cost 100million+ flyaway. Countries like turkey can't afford more than 100/150 and such a small order is going to increase cost further to 150 million+ .

280 f22 were 150 million each back in 2005.

When jets are so damn costly compares to 3rd 4th gen jets than economy is just as important Also infrastructure is deeply related to economic progress. A better economy can upgrade it's infrastructure to latest tech faster and absorb the cost of doing so.

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Why so? Russia doesn't lack intelligent people and has no security threats of shortage or Resources. So, unlikely that Russia gets lowered in Technology. May be others like India and China will catch up but Russia will not fall behind

What is starving funds? How will funds vanish? Funds are nothing but decision to distribute labour and rewards. As long as people are alive (have sufficient Resources to survive and fend off external aggression), there can be no shortage of funds. Only a social dishevel and chaos caused by sense of betrayal is the way Russia can ever be starved of funds. This is unlikely for near future
It's a relative thing. Russian won't fall much behind comparable European powers France or UK but USA china India will definitely be in different league.

In fact Russian are already falling behind . Chinese can run two stealth program while Russian struggle with one. US private space industry is growing much faster than Russian space program.
Russia doesn't have a working aesa while USA Europe have multiple working aesa systems.
Even India has Uttam on an lsp.

In submarine Russian don't have a Proper AIP.
Russian aircraft carrier is a disappointment.
Su33 is problematic. Mig29k only developed with India funds and yet it has issues.

These are all issues stemming from economic recession which has left Russian institution ( which you call infrastructure) starved of funding .

Russian have prioritized funding of strategic weaponry over conventional due to economic necessity and it shows as strategic system such as hypersonic missile , s400 , s500 etc are thriving.

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People aren't intelligent by default.

Americans don't lead because they are intelligent. So are Russians. Stupid and intelligent people exist everywhere. Better education helps us to further polish their talent, having large populations gives us bigger number of bright minds.

And investing in research gives them room for experiment. There are very small countries with much better IQ rankings and technical & aptitude scores. They don't make it into list.

Russia is fated to fall behind US, China & India in many new techs in upcoming decades. Even probably Japan who is remilitarizing itself.

People are not intelligent by default for any specific country.
People are intelligent by birth. Talent must come by birth. But, yes, on an average, it is not correct to say a country is intelligent over any other in most cases. What I intend to say is that Russian population is not crazy (like Islamic population) and are as intelligent and rational as anyone can get. So, it will be difficult to simply put Russia down. Even if others develop quickly, they will not be able to surpass Russia.

China and India will join Russia in defence Technology over time as Technology saturates but not surpass it.

USA will fall and go way behind in Technology. USA relies on deception without any inherent strength of its own. USA survives merely by fooling and outsmarting others. So, it is the first one to fall. I wonder how you are so positive about USA?

You can allocate funds when you have funds. By saying Russia will starve for funds, I didn't mean that it will be totally relevant. It won't able to spend that much on research and will not be that frequent on experiments. It will continue to remain a second tier power like France & UK
Funds is not a physical quantity. The physical quantity we use is 'resources'. It may be natural or Technology or human resources. But at the end of the day, funds are always measured in Resources. Amongst the resources, Technology and human resources don't fall unless there is betrayal or civil unrest. Russia has too much Natural Resources for it to crunch. So, where will Russia have fund crunch?

Economy is huge factor. France , Germany , UK all have great infrastructure but they are still looking for partners for their future projects.

Both USA and china have two stealth program f22 / f35 and j20, fc-31. But Russia despite having bigger airforce than china is only having one stealth program why? Economy that's why.

Many Russian programs are stuck due to economic rut. Economy is the reason for such small number of su57 order.

Remember the boasting before India pulled out. Russian were going to order 200 pakfa now merely 76 on order that too till 2026 . Why because Russian economy has shrunk.

5th 6th gen fighters are very costly. Barring f35 almost all will cost 100million+ flyaway. Countries like turkey can't afford more than 100/150 and such a small order is going to increase cost further to 150 million+ .

280 f22 were 150 million each back in 2005.

When jets are so damn costly compares to 3rd 4th gen jets than economy is just as important Also infrastructure is deeply related to economic progress. A better economy can upgrade it's infrastructure to latest tech faster and absorb the cost of doing so.

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France, UK don't have natural resources and hence have to rely on imports. Thia restricts their economic size. Russia has no such restraint. Russia runs severe surplus on budget and is a net creditor. Russia is facing no fund crunch.

Russia has good enough infrastructure for everything needed. There is hardly any reason to say Russia doesn't have money for defence or anything else. Russia is just waiting its time to develop better Technology like item 30 engine for Su57. It is due yo item 30 engine being delayed, Russia is delaying Su57 purchase. Funds is not a problem at all. Russia has so much funds that it is giving huge civilian and military aid to Venezuela & Syria.

It's a relative thing. Russian won't fall much behind comparable European powers France or UK but USA china India will definitely be in different league.

In fact Russian are already falling behind . Chinese can run two stealth program while Russian struggle with one. US private space industry is growing much faster than Russian space program.
Russia doesn't have a working aesa while USA Europe have multiple working aesa systems.
Even India has Uttam on an lsp.

In submarine Russian don't have a Proper AIP.
Russian aircraft carrier is a disappointment.
Su33 is problematic. Mig29k only developed with India funds and yet it has issues.

These are all issues stemming from economic recession which has left Russian institution ( which you call infrastructure) starved of funding .

Russian have prioritized funding of strategic weaponry over conventional due to economic necessity and it shows as strategic system such as hypersonic missile , s400 , s500 etc are thriving.

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USA is falling behind rapidly. So, your optimism on USA is baffling.


China will definitely be the leader due to its vast Resources and population which means China has much more spare capacity to invest in R&D. India will also take the lead as it also has large population and had gained access to international resources be political maneuvering. But Russia is also here to stay.

Russia does not develop SpaceX type launchers because it seems no real advantage of it. Russia is a utilitarian country and does not do fancy work.

Russia has AESA radar, has advanced SAM, nuclear submarine, high end aviation and fighter jets.

Russia didn't build diesel submarine for 15 years between 1995-2019. It is like saying US doesn't have AIP. Russia tried to go with US doctrine of only nuclear submarine. It has now restarted its diesel submarine program and along with it it is now getting LADLA class with AIP.

Russia focuses on strategic and long term Technology development and has succeeded in it despite political trouble after USSR break up.

Russia didn't face economic recession. It face disintegration of USSR. Along with it, it lost several industry and technology infrastructure. USSR had distributed its infrastructure across several countries like Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Serbia etc and all of them split away. This caused serious infrastructure crisis. This was in no way an economic crisis but Technology and infrastructure crisis. It took some time to be rebuilt but Russia never looked back since then. Saying that Russia is hoing down in 2010s is really a fallacy
 

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People are intelligent by birth. Talent must come by birth. But, yes, on an average, it is not correct to say a country is intelligent over any other in most cases. What I intend to say is that Russian population is not crazy (like Islamic population) and are as intelligent and rational as anyone can get. So, it will be difficult to simply put Russia down. Even if others develop quickly, they will not be able to surpass Russia.

China and India will join Russia in defence Technology over time as Technology saturates but not surpass it.

USA will fall and go way behind in Technology. USA relies on deception without any inherent strength of its own. USA survives merely by fooling and outsmarting others. So, it is the first one to fall. I wonder how you are so positive about USA?


Funds is not a physical quantity. The physical quantity we use is 'resources'. It may be natural or Technology or human resources. But at the end of the day, funds are always measured in Resources. Amongst the resources, Technology and human resources don't fall unless there is betrayal or civil unrest. Russia has too much Natural Resources for it to crunch. So, where will Russia have fund crunch?


France, UK don't have natural resources and hence have to rely on imports. Thia restricts their economic size. Russia has no such restraint. Russia runs severe surplus on budget and is a net creditor. Russia is facing no fund crunch.

Russia has good enough infrastructure for everything needed. There is hardly any reason to say Russia doesn't have money for defence or anything else. Russia is just waiting its time to develop better Technology like item 30 engine for Su57. It is due yo item 30 engine being delayed, Russia is delaying Su57 purchase. Funds is not a problem at all. Russia has so much funds that it is giving huge civilian and military aid to Venezuela & Syria.



USA is falling behind rapidly. So, your optimism on USA is baffling.


China will definitely be the leader due to its vast Resources and population which means China has much more spare capacity to invest in R&D. India will also take the lead as it also has large population and had gained access to international resources be political maneuvering. But Russia is also here to stay.

Russia does not develop SpaceX type launchers because it seems no real advantage of it. Russia is a utilitarian country and does not do fancy work.

Russia has AESA radar, has advanced SAM, nuclear submarine, high end aviation and fighter jets.

Russia didn't build diesel submarine for 15 years between 1995-2019. It is like saying US doesn't have AIP. Russia tried to go with US doctrine of only nuclear submarine. It has now restarted its diesel submarine program and along with it it is now getting LADLA class with AIP.

Russia focuses on strategic and long term Technology development and has succeeded in it despite political trouble after USSR break up.

Russia didn't face economic recession. It face disintegration of USSR. Along with it, it lost several industry and technology infrastructure. USSR had distributed its infrastructure across several countries like Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Serbia etc and all of them split away. This caused serious infrastructure crisis. This was in no way an economic crisis but Technology and infrastructure crisis. It took some time to be rebuilt but Russia never looked back since then. Saying that Russia is hoing down in 2010s is really a fallacy
USA is falling behind ? Space X reusable booster have no advantage ?

Russian economy has literally shrunk from 2 trillion $ to 1.3 trillion $ under sanctions from West. LADA class has failed they have moved on to Amur which they offered India without success. Even su35 doesn't have aesa.

Most Russian export now are natural resources oil and gas etc. There other industries are falling apart.

I agree they are funding strategic programs and conventional weapons have been ignored.
That's what I literally wrote. Russian defense budget is still stuck at 60 billion $ range while china is spending 200billion on defense. Heck India has surpassed Russian defense budget this year.

Why is there defense budget being reduced if they have no shortage of funds ?

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What I intend to say is that Russian population is not crazy (like Islamic population) and are as intelligent and rational as anyone can get. So, it will be difficult to simply put Russia down. Even if others develop quickly, they will not be able to surpass Russia.
Don't kill the context of argument. Islamic countries have nothing to do with our discussion but countries who are trying to lead world.

Russians being exceptionally intelligent is an invalid argument. I won't further comment on it as perception based judgement without any logic is undefendable.
China and India will join Russia in defence Technology over time as Technology saturates but not surpass it.
They will surpass it for sure. Their R&D is improving faster than Russia. They day they catch up with Russia, they will go for their own big innovations. They are already doing many.
USA will fall and go way behind in Technology. USA relies on deception without any inherent strength of its own. USA survives merely by fooling and outsmarting others. So, it is the first one to fall. I wonder how you are so positive about USA?
Reverse is true. US is far far more experienced with techs, stable and far bigger budgets. It's here to stay as a great power for next 80-100 years unless lands in a crisis.

The USA in fact isn't a falling one. It's performance has been pretty impressive as compared to rest of developed world. It's growth and continous technological improvision actually shows that it's a rising power unlike failing EU and Russia. It's rise isn't just as fast as China or India.
Funds is not a physical quantity. The physical quantity we use is 'resources'. It may be natural or Technology or human resources. But at the end of the day, funds are always measured in Resources. Amongst the resources, Technology and human resources don't fall unless there is betrayal or civil unrest. Russia has too much Natural Resources for it to crunch. So, where will Russia have fund crunch?
You can't do that unless you are in a security state where accumulation of currency doesn't mean anything. May be because you believe that Russia is a self sufficient state (guess? It isn't).

Most of Russian population is involved in service sector and will need funds to live. If you believe that they will work like robots again, get ready for Soviet 2.0.

This Marxist theory of rejecting modern financial system to integrate economies to keep citizens in comfort and getting focused on "production" has given dire results. As no one would be consuming them.
France, UK don't have natural resources and hence have to rely on imports. Thia restricts their economic size. Russia has no such restraint. Russia runs severe surplus on budget and is a net creditor. Russia is facing no fund crunch.
In a more correct way,
Russia has resources that inflates its economic size. Otherwise Russia is a highly ineffecient state while France, UK, Japan & US, all have done wonders.

If you think that just picking resources from anywhere in own country without paying and getting labor done was so simple, Russian military projects wouldn't have been in shambles.
USA is falling behind rapidly. So, your optimism on USA is baffling.
USA has relative decline not an absolute decline. Absolutely, US is growing while EU is falling.
Case is different that US is serious challenges from East that have demised its strategic advantages.
China will definitely be the leader due to its vast Resources and population which means China has much more spare capacity to invest in R&D.
Why didn't China lead earlier? It had resources back then.

It's leading now by their consumption and having technology to utilitize them. Resources are a strategic advantage, not an economic or technological one.
India will also take the lead as it also has large population and had gained access to international resources be political maneuvering.
India will be last great power in world. Africans will catch up with China & India on population but their incomes will be much lower.
https://population.un.org/wpp/
But Russia is also here to stay.
Russia will stay like UK and large size will make it more secure like UK. Nothing else.
 

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Total fuel -12000ltr
Ferry range-5324km
Range-2662km
Combat radius-1800km
Weapon load - 4tns ( internal) 6tns(external)

Combat configuration expected
Internally- 2ccms+2bvrs +ext- 2ccms +2bvr+ 2external fuel tank

2 : int-4 lgb bombs+ext- 4ccms+ bvr with quad racks

3:int- 2ccm+2lgb+ ext.2ccms+ 2bvr + 2 bhramose missile

4: int- 4lgb+ ext-2ccm+8lgb with quad racks

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USA is falling behind ? Space X reusable booster have no advantage ?

Russian economy has literally shrunk from 2 trillion $ to 1.3 trillion $ under sanctions from West. LADA class has failed they have moved on to Amur which they offered India without success. Even su35 doesn't have aesa.

Most Russian export now are natural resources oil and gas etc. There other industries are falling apart.

I agree they are funding strategic programs and conventional weapons have been ignored.
That's what I literally wrote. Russian defense budget is still stuck at 60 billion $ range while china is spending 200billion on defense. Heck India has surpassed Russian defense budget this year.

Why is there defense budget being reduced if they have no shortage of funds ?

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Space x does not have strategic usage. It is only economically efficient. If the country has enough resources to bother about reuse cost, then it doesn't matter.

Russian economy didn't think. Russian just got rid of dollars and went into isolationist mode. It is just about foreign exchange fluctuation and nothing else. So, don't look at their dollar value of gdp or defence budget.

Russia is self sufficient in all important items like food, energy, vehicles like car, train and technology in serve and communication. That is good enough to be strong.

Russians being exceptionally intelligent is an invalid argument. I won't further comment on it as perception based judgement without any logic is undefendable.
I only intend to say that Russians are
as intelligent as anyone can get and hence others simply can't outcompete them in Technology of defence
They will surpass it for sure. Their R&D is improving faster than Russia. They day they catch up with Russia, they will go for their own big innovations. They are already doing many
R&D improvement rate is not same as absolute improvement. China did not have enough infrastructure base in the past and hence needed some time to start and consolidate. So, in that time, they will show faster growth. It is like saying a student who secured 50% marks has higher rate of improvement than a student with 95% marks.

At the end, the R&D levels can only equalise unless Russia botch up due to manual or political error.
Reverse is true. US is far far more experienced with techs, stable and far bigger budgets. It's here to stay as a great power for next 80-100 years unless lands in a crisis.

The USA in fact isn't a falling one. It's performance has been pretty impressive as compared to rest of developed world. It's growth and continous technological improvision actually shows that it's a rising power unlike failing EU and Russia. It's rise isn't just as fast as China
US has saturated in its Technology for about 10 years. Only thing it is doing now is fancy stuff and window dressing. EU was always falling after WW2 and survived under the shadow of USA dominance by becoming USA stooges. But Russia has its own strength.

USA is now completely losing steam and has halted in Technology progression. If you think otherwise, show me one Technology improvement since 2015. USA is self sufficient for now in terms of oil and hence is surviving. But its its shale reserves are depleting fast and it can only sustain it till 2030. Whereas Russian self sufficiency is much higher. This is the edge that Russia has over USA. USA will soon fall at the mercy of others and then the real problem will start. USA will economically collapse after 2030.

You can't do that unless you are in a security state where accumulation of currency doesn't mean anything. May be because you believe that Russia is a self sufficient state (guess? It isn't).

Most of Russian population is involved in service sector and will need funds to live. If you believe that they will work like robots again, get ready for Soviet 2.0.

This Marxist theory of rejecting modern financial system to integrate economies to keep citizens in comfort and getting focused on "production" has given dire results. As no one would be consuming them.
You are indulging in psychology. You are assuming that people have fixed psychology and incapable of sacrifices. That is where you are going completely wrong. Marxism failed because USSR leadership became corrupt and started indulging in luxuries which made people get disgusted. But, China survived the same principle because they stuck to it. Even today, entire chinese land and assets of production is owned collectively (on collective village basis or by government) and it survives and thrives. So, stop speculation based on your understanding of psychology. People's psychology can be manipulated into making sacrifices if the society is social with organised leadership.

Now, coming back to Russian economy, it is self sufficient when it comes to important goods like food, energy, defence, communication and transportation. Other things like low lithography semiconductor are not really critical and just good to have. So, Russian self aufi
In a more correct way,
Russia has resources that inflates its economic size. Otherwise Russia is a highly ineffecient state while France, UK, Japan & US, all have done wonders.

If you think that just picking resources from anywhere in own country without paying and getting labor done was so simple, Russian military projects wouldn't have been in shambles
USA has relative decline not an absolute decline. Absolutely, US is growing while EU is falling.
Case is different that US is serious challenges from East that have demised its strategic advantages.
Why didn't China lead earlier? It had resources back then.

It's leading now by their consumption and having technology to utilitize them. Resources are a strategic advantage, not an economic or technological one.
India will be last great power in world. Africans will catch up with China & India on population but their incomes will be much lower.
You seem to think very linearly. India will be the last and the greatest power. But because of completely different reasons, mainly rooted in Dharma ideology being superior, benign and universal, propagation of it can demolish other ideologies.

Russia will stay like UK and large size will make it more secure like UK. Nothing else.
Russia has extraordinary size land and Resources. That is exactly why UK is small and USA is large in economy. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much difference in USA and UK. The size of resources (land included) ad population itself is the main reason why any country becomes big or small. So, ignoring the size difference of Russia & comparing to UK, pretending that size is a trivial difference is incorrect
 

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Range-2662km
Combat radius-1800km
Weapon load - 4tns ( internal) 6tns(external)

Combat configuration expected
Internally- 2ccms+2bvrs +ext- 2ccms +2bvr+ 2external fuel tank

2 : int-4 lgb bombs+ext- 4ccms+ bvr with quad racks

3:int- 2ccm+2lgb+ ext.2ccms+ 2bvr + 2 bhramose missile

4: int- 4lgb+ ext-2ccm+8lgb with quad racks

Any correction in this configuration
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Space x does not have strategic usage. It is only economically efficient. If the country has enough resources to bother about reuse cost, then it doesn't matter.
Matters, the kind of technologies that would be needed for mining on other celestial bodies at low cost will give their own strategic advantage.
Russia is self sufficient in all important items like food, energy, vehicles like car, train and technology in serve and communication. That is good enough to be strong.
It's "good enough" survive in current scenario only. Neither any hi fi living standards will be there. Nor Russians will be able to keep up to global standards of living.
I only intend to say that Russians are
as intelligent as anyone can get and hence others simply can't outcompete them in Technology of defence
That's why I said you have lost argument by default. Russians got resources in their land, others can purchase.

Saying others can't outsmart them is stupid. With bigger R&D budget, number and aspects of experiments will be much larger for other countries.
R&D improvement rate is not same as absolute improvement. China did not have enough infrastructure base in the past and hence needed some time to start and consolidate. So, in that time, they will show faster growth. It is like saying a student who secured 50% marks has higher rate of improvement than a student with 95% marks.

At the end, the R&D levels can only equalise unless Russia botch up due to manual or political error.
Russia isn't at culmination of technological advancement that it can be called a kid with 95%.

When other kids get more notes and costiler books, they'll definitely do better than Russia.
US has saturated in its Technology for about 10 years. Only thing it is doing now is fancy stuff and window dressing. EU was always falling after WW2 and survived under the shadow of USA dominance by becoming USA stooges. But Russia has its own strength.
Initial ecosystem created immediately after World War 2 actually enriched EU greatly, not failed it. US & EU started losing after losing monopoly after rise of Asia.

For USSR/Russia, they have portrayed perfect example of how not to manage your country all that time. Both China & India dumped socialist models and got financially much stronger than Russia, producing much more industrial stuff.
USA is now completely losing steam and has halted in Technology progression. If you think otherwise, show me one Technology improvement since 2015.
Hundreds and thousands. Open USPTO and WIP IPRs. Search gadgets. Innovations in weapons. I don't have to cite.
USA is self sufficient for now in terms of oil and hence is surviving.
Wondering why other oil producing countries are suffering too?
US is much more more than controller of global oil. Russia is useless besides its resources.
Whereas Russian self sufficiency is much higher.
Resources only. Russia has to import finished goods Including machineries as their population at home is aging.
USA will economically collapse after 2030.
Mark your words. I got screenshot.
You are indulging in psychology. You are assuming that people have fixed psychology and incapable of sacrifices. That is where you are going completely wrong. Marxism failed because USSR leadership became corrupt and started indulging in luxuries which made people get disgusted. But, China survived the same principle because they stuck to it. Even today, entire chinese land and assets of production is owned collectively (on collective village basis or by government) and it survives and thrives. So, stop speculation based on your understanding of psychology. People's psychology can be manipulated into making sacrifices if the
China got it after suppressing people in worse way. Soviets and Chinese have done so many brutal suppressions of their people what we will never come to know. Wave was there against authoritarianism for sure.

1989's revolutions make it clear that people have a limit of tolerance and sacrifices. They are not just asset of your country who are going to work day & night just for your productivity. They too want luxuries and connect to world outside.

For my personal opinion, the country uses its citizens only to become more powerful rather than appeasing them is useless. I'm glad that India won't ever be so.

For history being evident, rough states have a high degree of instability.
Now, coming back to Russian economy, it is self sufficient when it comes to important goods like food, energy, defence, communication and transportation.
Russia isn't self sufficient in food, communication and transportation unless it chooses to cut down number of dishes in plate, quality of communication and transportation.
Other things like low lithography semiconductor are not really critical
They are very critical. So is monopoly on global information. China has proved itself to be far far more intelligent than crazy Soviets.

Semiconductors are key of many advanced techs. Case is different that your "It's just not important" factor is what I'm saying why Russia will be left behind other great powers.
You seem to think very linearly. India will be the last and the greatest power. But because of completely different reasons, mainly rooted in Dharma ideology being superior, benign and universal, propagation of it can demolish other ideologies.
India being last great power has nothing to do with Dharma. India despite all its Dharna and culture has fallen well behind in past few centuries.

Both China & India are highly populated states. They were so even during cold war and were followed by USSR & USA in populations but were much poorer than them.

As second tier powers like France, UK, Germany, Brazil or Japan have relatively much smaller room left to grow, the ultimate great powers near long term will be China & India as their income levels catch up with west. Much bigger manpower with better living standards & educational levels.

Only a couple of African countries have population growth rates high enough to catch up with China & India after some 80-100 years but their income levels aren't.
Russia has extraordinary size land and Resources. That is exactly why UK is small and USA is large in economy. Otherwise, there wouldn't be much difference in USA and UK. The size of resources (land included) ad population itself is the main reason why any country becomes big or small. So, ignoring the size difference of Russia & comparing to UK, pretending that size is a trivial difference is incorrect
The same applies Russia and the Ukraine as well.
At the same time, if Americans are maintaining disproportionate capabilities and Europeans have their forces & firepower close to Russia is basis of why I called Russia an ineffecient country.

Even India sucks if we leave its size.

Anyways, I won't litter AMCA thread further.
 

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Same thing though...................
I am not aware of the specific fuel used in fighter jets but for petrol it's not same.
Density range of petrol is 710 to 775 gram/ litre at 15 degree celcius. Thus weight of 1 litre of petrolat 15 degree celcius varies from 710 to 775 grams.
 

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I am not aware of the specific fuel used in fighter jets but for petrol it's not same.
Density range of petrol is 710 to 775 gram/ litre at 15 degree celcius. Thus weight of 1 litre of petrolat 15 degree celcius varies from 710 to 775 grams.
The fuel is a special grade of kerosene, slightly different from ATF used in civilian planes. But the jets are capable of using ATF kerosene too with some reduction in engine life. So, the density of jet fuel is very similar to kerosene - 0.8kg per litre at 300K temperature
 

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I am not aware of the specific fuel used in fighter jets but for petrol it's not same.
Density range of petrol is 710 to 775 gram/ litre at 15 degree celcius. Thus weight of 1 litre of petrolat 15 degree celcius varies from 710 to 775 grams.
When volume is mentioned anywhere, it's the water scale. It makes no sense otherwise since fuels will vary, and temp will never be anywhere near ideal and always fluctuating. So that standard 4C water it is.

What they mean that 6K lit capacity is that it can hold 6K lit/Kg water at 4C. They don't have ATF in mind when they talk of capacity like that.

Because if they don't standardise..which temp and pressure are they talking about when they mean 6K? Up in air both would change a lot.

That said, I might be totally unaware if they have a standard variable in temp and pressure when they talk about capacities in cases like this. Do they?
 

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