AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[Bahamut]

The design now looks good, but wing area looked too little to me in initial design.

It has a lifting body design, the body along with the wing produces lift, so less wing area is required for the same lift plus along with tvc engine, wing area requirement reduces.

 

[kunal1123]

If we pause at 1:13 you will see something on side of air intakes. Is it side weapon bays or landing gear??

it look like landing gear to me.

 

[kunal1123]

ok what is this? any idea........?

because according to wiki it should have 8 (Stealthy configuration) 14 (maximum non stealth load)
and know it look like 6 (Stealthy configuration) 14 (maximum non stealth load)
and side internal weapon bay gone...........

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

With most of fifth gen technologies in advanced stage of developement by drdo and PAKFA-FGFA project in limbo due to escalating cost & lack of TOT by Russia I think we should scale up this AMCA model to also fit in 35-40 ton aircraft (AHC ) fullfilling the role of FGFA as a suitable Su-30 MKI replacement. Only problem I forsee is engine which can be imported.

 

[Flame Thrower]

With most of fifth gen technologies in advanced stage of developement by drdo and PAKFA-FGFA project in limbo due to escalating cost & lack of TOT by Russia I think we should scale up this AMCA model to also fit in 35-40 ton aircraft (AHC ) fullfilling the role of FGFA as a suitable Su-30 MKI replacement. Only problem I forsee is engine which can be imported.

I have a feeling that fast tracking AMCA will have a compound impact on PAK FA, forcing Russia to provide TOT and maybe increase in development share too...

On top of that we have one official tender for naval fighters and rumours on another a/c for IAF.

These steps might force Russia to respond quickly on PAK FA

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

FGFA will definitely end up as the repeat of Su-30mki episode of 90s. Hence don't expect Russia to share vital technology like radar & engine with us. Hence the way forward is invest the $4 billion which was earmarked for FGFA to be spent on AMCA to scale into AHCA. Drdo has a habit of making different versions of the same product and this I belive can be acheived in a limited time frame. By this we can get 2 fighters from the same AMCA project and a huge success of Make in India programme as it will ensure more investments in engine & radar technologies.

 

[Prashant12]

GE supplies two test engines for Tejas Mk-2, eyes collaboration for AMCA

General Electric (GE) has delivered two qualified 414 engines to be tested on the planned home-grown Tejas Mk-2 single engine fighter and is looking to collaborate with India to build engines for the proposed advanced medium-combat aircraft.

The Tejas fighter is been powered by the GE-404 engine since its development and the IAF plans to induct over 120 planes with the same engine.So far, India has ordered around 100 engines for the fighter from GE and plans to buy more engines in the coming years.

The single engine fighter being developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), a DRDO unit will undergo an upgrade with more features that requires a more powerful engine and GE has been tasked to supply its GE-414 engine.


"The first two engines are for flight test. They are ready to go as and when the plane is ready. We are committed to deliver six more engines," said Mark Pearson, who leads the military engine programme for GE in an interview.

Pearson is betting on the over 700 engineers who work on design and take charge of manufacturing parts of GE's commercial aero engines, at its India centre in Bengaluru, to push for local co-development of the engine for AMCA, which ADA is developing.

India has begun preliminary design work on the stealth aircraft but has not launched a programme officially. GE is looking to partner with ADA, but it also requires a US government approval to collaborate on military programmes before its Bengaluru team can work on the jet engine programme.

The Bengaluru team has worked on the GE-9D engine that power the Boeing 777 planes and the engine that power the A380 aircraft. It also developing the 9X, which the local team in India is collaborating for the replacement engine of Boeing 777-9D.

"The foundation is already here built over 17 years," said Pearson.

GE, which has a manufacturing facility in Pune whose 40% contribution is engine components, says it could meet the mandated 50% requirement of local production for defence contracts within India. "We can deliver on our commitments as and when we see more orders," said Alok Nanda, General Manager, (India engineering operations) at GE.

http://www.business-standard.com/ar...es-collaboration-for-amca-117021401120_1.html

 

[tharun]

ok what is this? any idea........?


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because according to wiki it should have 8 (Stealthy configuration) 14 (maximum non stealth load)
and know it look like 6 (Stealthy configuration) 14 (maximum non stealth load)
and side internal weapon bay gone...........

It is a targeting pod like...litening pod from Israel. or electronic warfare pod.

 

[Scrutator]

The F22 is more stealthy than F35. That is why US doesn't give out F22 to any foreign country but sells F35.

I think even if they want to sell to anyone, there wouldn't be any buyers - way too expensive (even for the US). That's the reason they abandoned further procurement of F22's and created more cost effective F35s.

 

[Trinetra]

Here is the top shot of AMCA..

 

[Trinetra]

Looks more like the mix of F22 and F35 fighter..

 

[kunal1123]

any say. so 2019 is the time frame to complete lead in......

 

[Scrutator]

any say. so 2019 is the time frame to complete lead in......

And the detailed design starts after that.....

 

[Narasimh]

As your correspondent reports, the first 1:1 full scale model of India’s fifth generation concept Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is being built in Bengaluru. Later this year, the model will undergo a series of rigorous tests at an RCS facility in Hyderabad, where the programme team will have its fest chance at seeing how the shape they’ve chosen for the jet deals with radiation. The exercise will be historic. Because it will be the first time India will be specifically testing a stealth airframe.

Cmde C.D. Balaji, chief at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) met with Livefist at the Aero India show for a chat on the programme. ‘This will be our first big learning process. We need to be sure about the conformal antennas and shapes before we finalise the airframe,’ he says. Another very crucial application the team plans to bring into play is computational electromagnetics, to simulate in parallel how the concept jet deals with radar and other assaults built to beat stealth.

‘About 60-70% of the stealth we intend will come from the aircraft’s shape. The rest we are discovering as we develop the aircraft. Nothing like this has ever been attempted before,’ Balaji says. An AMCA model debuted at Aero India 2009, the first time anyone got a sense of what the ADA was looking to build.

The team at ADA expects full-scale engineering development till the prototype stage to take at least a decade. Livefist also learnt that the team now has a specific timeframe for a first flight: 2030, with low-rate production to begin in 2035. ‘If you consider that the LCA Mk.1 will be built till 2024 and the LCA Mk.2, when ordered, should be built between 2030-35, then 2035 is good target for production of the AMCA,’ Balaji says.

The AMCA project could find additional backing and strength owing to persistent problems India faces from Russia over the T-50 FGFA programme. On Tuesday, Defence Minister Parrikar even admitted that there were problems that needed sorting. Earlier this year, the government took the surprising step of setting up a committee to go over the FGFA programme and actually see if India benefits at all. Negotiations have meandered over work share and how qualitatively India will even contribute to the programme other than be its largest operator. Sources on the AMCA team wouldn’t commit, but wouldn’t deny that trouble with the FGFA programme only placed greater (and welcome) pressure on the indigenous effort to deliver on time and cost — and capability.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html

 

[Scrutator]

As your correspondent reports, the first 1:1 full scale model of India’s fifth generation concept Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is being built in Bengaluru. Later this year, the model will undergo a series of rigorous tests at an RCS facility in Hyderabad, where the programme team will have its fest chance at seeing how the shape they’ve chosen for the jet deals with radiation. The exercise will be historic. Because it will be the first time India will be specifically testing a stealth airframe.

Cmde C.D. Balaji, chief at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) met with Livefist at the Aero India show for a chat on the programme. ‘This will be our first big learning process. We need to be sure about the conformal antennas and shapes before we finalise the airframe,’ he says. Another very crucial application the team plans to bring into play is computational electromagnetics, to simulate in parallel how the concept jet deals with radar and other assaults built to beat stealth.

‘About 60-70% of the stealth we intend will come from the aircraft’s shape. The rest we are discovering as we develop the aircraft. Nothing like this has ever been attempted before,’ Balaji says. An AMCA model debuted at Aero India 2009, the first time anyone got a sense of what the ADA was looking to build.

The team at ADA expects full-scale engineering development till the prototype stage to take at least a decade. Livefist also learnt that the team now has a specific timeframe for a first flight: 2030, with low-rate production to begin in 2035. ‘If you consider that the LCA Mk.1 will be built till 2024 and the LCA Mk.2, when ordered, should be built between 2030-35, then 2035 is good target for production of the AMCA,’ Balaji says.

The AMCA project could find additional backing and strength owing to persistent problems India faces from Russia over the T-50 FGFA programme. On Tuesday, Defence Minister Parrikar even admitted that there were problems that needed sorting. Earlier this year, the government took the surprising step of setting up a committee to go over the FGFA programme and actually see if India benefits at all. Negotiations have meandered over work share and how qualitatively India will even contribute to the programme other than be its largest operator. Sources on the AMCA team wouldn’t commit, but wouldn’t deny that trouble with the FGFA programme only placed greater (and welcome) pressure on the indigenous effort to deliver on time and cost — and capability.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html

The bad news is : Production starts in 2035, first prototype in 10 years!
Good news is : Production starts in 2035, first prototype in 10 years! Plenty of time to get Kaveri engine ready!!!

 

[Narasimh]

Good news is : Production starts in 2035, first prototype in 10 years! Plenty of time to get Kaveri engine ready!!!

Exactly! And not to forget weapons package like brahmos, Astra and Uttam AESA(maybe nxt advanced version even)

 

[kunal1123]

The team at ADA expects full-scale engineering development till the prototype stage to take at least a decade. Livefist also learnt that the team now has a specific timeframe for a first flight: 2030, with low-rate production to begin in 2035. ‘If you consider that the LCA Mk.1 will be built till 2024 and the LCA Mk.2, when ordered, should be built between 2030-35, then 2035 is good target for production of the AMCA,’ Balaji says.

oo man i am full counting on low rate production from 2030...

he first 1:1 full scale model of India’s fifth generation concept Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is being built in Bengaluru. Later this year, the model will undergo a series of rigorous tests at an RCS facility in Hyderabad, where the programme team will have its fest chance at seeing how the shape they’ve chosen for the jet deals with radiation. The exercise will be historic. Because it will be the first time India will be specifically testing a stealth airframe

well let see how this workout i didn't lost all hope . still putting my money on 2030 target...

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

man very crappy time standards for AMCA

 

[Hemu Vikram Aditya]

Here is video on AMCA from Aero India. Awesome video.

Isn't it Twin Engine Why Does the toy looks that of Lca

 

[Vijyes]

As your correspondent reports, the first 1:1 full scale model of India’s fifth generation concept Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is being built in Bengaluru. Later this year, the model will undergo a series of rigorous tests at an RCS facility in Hyderabad, where the programme team will have its fest chance at seeing how the shape they’ve chosen for the jet deals with radiation. The exercise will be historic. Because it will be the first time India will be specifically testing a stealth airframe.

Cmde C.D. Balaji, chief at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) met with Livefist at the Aero India show for a chat on the programme. ‘This will be our first big learning process. We need to be sure about the conformal antennas and shapes before we finalise the airframe,’ he says. Another very crucial application the team plans to bring into play is computational electromagnetics, to simulate in parallel how the concept jet deals with radar and other assaults built to beat stealth.

‘About 60-70% of the stealth we intend will come from the aircraft’s shape. The rest we are discovering as we develop the aircraft. Nothing like this has ever been attempted before,’ Balaji says. An AMCA model debuted at Aero India 2009, the first time anyone got a sense of what the ADA was looking to build.

The team at ADA expects full-scale engineering development till the prototype stage to take at least a decade. Livefist also learnt that the team now has a specific timeframe for a first flight: 2030, with low-rate production to begin in 2035. ‘If you consider that the LCA Mk.1 will be built till 2024 and the LCA Mk.2, when ordered, should be built between 2030-35, then 2035 is good target for production of the AMCA,’ Balaji says.

The AMCA project could find additional backing and strength owing to persistent problems India faces from Russia over the T-50 FGFA programme. On Tuesday, Defence Minister Parrikar even admitted that there were problems that needed sorting. Earlier this year, the government took the surprising step of setting up a committee to go over the FGFA programme and actually see if India benefits at all. Negotiations have meandered over work share and how qualitatively India will even contribute to the programme other than be its largest operator. Sources on the AMCA team wouldn’t commit, but wouldn’t deny that trouble with the FGFA programme only placed greater (and welcome) pressure on the indigenous effort to deliver on time and cost — and capability.

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2017/02/exclusive-indias-5th-gen-amca-targets-2030.html

This is just horrible. 2035 is too much to ask. We should be preparing for world war 3 by then. We are going too slow. We need thousands of AMCA by 2040 to wage a full scale war. This is pretty shitty. Much more funds need to be given. War is what humanity is built on. One who forgets the past doesn't deserve to have a future.