Alternatives to Dassault Rafale

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

He said the exact same things I have been saying for the last couple of years now. Maybe because these are the facts.

Tying to fit the Tejas into the mighty shoes of an MMRCA aircraft was a stupidity from bharat karnad .

 

[p2prada]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

I think you were talking about KAI T-50 Golden Eagle ...
Was made by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) along with the American aerospace company Lockheed Martin.
It was Started in 1990....

Just a quick google of it.... but what was your point?

We had help from LM too, just like KAI. The LCA's FCS was designed in the US and was tested on a F-16.

And LM did not expedite the test flight process for KAI, they did that by themselves.

The point is we suck.

 

[p2prada]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

Tying to fit the Tejas into the mighty shoes of an MMRCA aircraft was a stupidity from bharat karnad .

For some reason he has been writing silly articles. Just a bit of research would have helped a lot.

 

[bose]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

Give the Nigerians 30 years and enough cash and even they can make a LCA type aircraft.

Do you know Korea made their fighter jet from scratch too? And do you know they only took 3 years to flight test it?

First flight in 2002 and induction in 2005. Their fighter version already has export orders.

To put it simply ... You are dis respectful of Indians who have put in countless hours on LCA ... As said by nationalist and social reformer Vivekananda -- "I would prefer an Indian dog over a foreign GOD" that should be sprite...

I do not come from a military / defense R&D background still with my little experience in executing projects round the globe and following whatever little way the progress the DRDO are making I can say that you will have lot of surprise in future to your dismay...

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

can they have capability of being able to carry nuclear weapon....

What are you talking about?

 

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

To put it simply ... You are dis respectful of Indians who have put in countless hours on LCA

thats because the enemy will also be disrespectful to LCA and shoot it down if it attempts deep penetration strike missions like rafale .

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

We suck DRDO Suck we all Suck....

but Tejas doesnt....
They Didnt have sanctions for sure or did they?

We had help from LM too, just like KAI. The LCA's FCS was designed in the US and was tested on a F-16.

And LM did not expedite the test flight process for KAI, they did that by themselves.

The point is we suck.

 

[bose]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

thats because the enemy will also be disrespectful to LCA and shoot it down if it attempts deep penetration strike missions like rafale .

I hope it is sarcastic!!

I feel sorry for self hating peoples... worst type of enemy for India...

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

thats because the enemy will also be disrespectful to LCA and shoot it down if it attempts deep penetration strike missions like rafale .

You have missiles for deep penetrations and even target hitting....
Even Rafale will not survive deep penetration....

We have two current enemies for one even Rafale is no threat and for other even Tejas is a huge threat.....

 

[p2prada]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

To put it simply ... You are dis respectful of Indians who have put in countless hours on LCA ... As said by nationalist and social reformer Vivekananda -- "I would prefer an Indian dog over a foreign GOD"

I do not come from a military / defense R&D background still with my little experience in executing projects round the globe and following whatever little way the progress the DRDO are making I can say that you will have lot of surprise in future to your dismay...

People will die needlessly if we use DRDO products without proper testing. Who gives a shit how many hours you put in your work! Nobody gives a flying ---- for shitty stuff.

You don't understand anything. The fact is I am a bigger fan of the DRDO than any of you here who don't understand shit about what's happening. All of my criticisms of DRDO are objective, I don't criticize simply because I want to. Hell you will find many DRDO personnel who will ----ing agree with me and a lot of other DRDO critics around the country. OTOH, the lot of you DRDO-brigade are like little teenage girls who scream and flash their tits at the first DRDO scientist you see.

That Indian dog is not going to protect you when you are ----ing attacked by a tiger. Passive ideologies have no place in a warzone. Philosophy doesn't kill. What DRDO makes is stuff that is meant to protect you by killing something else, be it one person or an entire ----ing city. If that stuff doesn't work it means you and your lousy life ends because the enemy's stuff works. We are not talking about a cellphone which doesn't work or a car that sets itself on fire all by itself. We are talking about stuff that kills. And failure means that stuff will end up killing thousands of our own soldiers.

The armed forces and people like me are the biggest supporters of indigenization. But we are waiting for DRDO to surprise us. As a matter of fact we are the happiest when this day arrives, but today is not that day.

Until then stop criticizing the users when the fault is with the developers. Good products were lapped up by the military quicker than you could say Tejas. Vivekananda said that before DRDO came into being. He said it when the times were different. Today things are very different.

 

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

I hope it is sarcastic!!

I feel sorry for self hating peoples... worst type of enemy for India...

lets not get emotional about this . even i would be proud of an indian self made fighter . but it wont be an MMRCA ( medium multirole combat aircraft ) . it can be a LCA---light combat aircraft , which is what it was meant to be in the first place .

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

If thats the case then start criticizing the defense forces as well.....
or atleast hold them responsible if they are that serious as you are saying...
The truth is they have inducted only those goods which were not available in the Market for sale or didn't come with good kick backs.....

People will die needlessly if we use DRDO products without proper testing. Who gives a shit how many hours you put in your work! Nobody gives a flying ---- for shitty stuff.

You don't understand anything. The fact is I am a bigger fan of the DRDO than any of you here who don't understand shit about what's happening. All of my criticisms of DRDO are objective, I don't criticize simply because I want to. Hell you will find many DRDO personnel who will ----ing agree with me and a lot of other DRDO critics around the country. OTOH, the lot of you DRDO-brigade are like little teenage girls who scream and flash their tits at the first DRDO scientist you see.

That Indian dog is not going to protect you when you are ----ing attacked by a tiger. Passive ideologies have no place in a warzone. Philosophy doesn't kill. What DRDO makes is stuff that is meant to protect you by killing something else, be it one person or an entire ----ing city. If that stuff doesn't work it means you and your lousy life ends because the enemy's stuff works. We are not talking about a cellphone which doesn't work or a car that sets itself on fire all by itself. We are talking about stuff that kills. And failure means that stuff will end up killing thousands of our own soldiers.

The armed forces and people like me are the biggest supporters of indigenization. But we are waiting for DRDO to surprise us. As a matter of fact we are the happiest when this day arrives, but today is not that day.

Until then stop criticizing the users when the fault is with the developers. Good products were lapped up by the military quicker than you could say Tejas. Vivekananda said that before DRDO came into being. He said it when the times were different. Today things are very different.

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

lets not get emotional about this . even i would be proud of an indian self made fighter . but it wont be an MMRCA ( medium multirole combat aircraft ) . it can be a LCA---light combat aircraft , which is what it was meant to be in the first place .

no Body is saying it is medium... but it is multi role.....

 

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

no Body is saying it is medium... but it is multi role.....

if tejas is not medium , then it cant fit into shoes of an MMRCA .

besides the rafale can do both air to air fighting and strike missions in the same flight . its not just multi role , its swing role . can carry at least four mica air to air missiles even though it is carrying a bomb load for strike misson along with external fuel tanks . the tejas cant match that .

 

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

can the tejas carry this kind of weapons load ??

 

[bose]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

People will die needlessly if we use DRDO products without proper testing. Who gives a shit how many hours you put in your work! Nobody gives a flying ---- for shitty stuff.

I expect something better from a DFI technocrat as you claim yourself... How do one quantify "proper testing" ? Was Arjun not properly tested by Army ?? nor the the much criticized LCA ? How many accident did LCA have till now ?? You are a biased person hell bend upon criticizing DRDO and other institutions... may be motivated something from your personal experience from them...

You don't understand anything. The fact is I am a bigger fan of the DRDO than any of you here who don't understand shit about what's happening. All of my criticisms of DRDO are objective, I don't criticize simply because I want to. Hell you will find many DRDO personnel who will ----ing agree with me and a lot of other DRDO critics around the country. OTOH, the lot of you DRDO-brigade are like little teenage girls who scream and flash their tits at the first DRDO scientist you see.

How do you know I do not understand anything ?? I may not be a technocrat like yourself but do understand what one it upto in the garb of criticism...

That Indian dog is not going to protect you when you are ----ing attacked by a tiger. Passive ideologies have no place in a warzone. Philosophy doesn't kill. What DRDO makes is stuff that is meant to protect you by killing something else, be it one person or an entire ----ing city. If that stuff doesn't work it means you and your lousy life ends because the enemy's stuff works. We are not talking about a cellphone which doesn't work or a car that sets itself on fire all by itself. We are talking about stuff that kills. And failure means that stuff will end up killing thousands of our own soldiers.

You do not understand the basic essence of the quotation... I expected much from you...

The armed forces and people like me are the biggest supporters of indigenization. But we are waiting for DRDO to surprise us. As a matter of fact we are the happiest when this day arrives, but today is not that day.

Until then stop criticizing the users when the fault is with the developers. Good products were lapped up by the military quicker than you could say Tejas. Vivekananda said that before DRDO came into being. He said it when the times were different. Today things are very different.

Your criticism is not constructive and are meant for insulting the peoples working in those organization and that is fully apparent from your posts which I have been following for some years now...

Vivekananda was relevant 100 years back, He is now and He will be 100 years and more in future... rest assured about it...

 

[Pulkit]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

Can Rafale be compared with SU MKI?

So There is no need for Rafale also ... go with Sukhoi....
See its just that there are things which Tejas cannot do but Rafale do and there are things that Rafale cant do but Su can....
but our requirement can be met with the combination of MK1 MK2 and MKI or remove MK2 even then it is met till the AMCA and FGFA arrive.....

can the tejas carry this kind of weapons load ??

 

[bose]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

lets not get emotional about this . even i would be proud of an indian self made fighter . but it wont be an MMRCA ( medium multirole combat aircraft ) . it can be a LCA---light combat aircraft , which is what it was meant to be in the first place .

We all want to see LCA succeed BUT through constructive self criticism and not show a biased motivated attacks...

We all are going through the self learning phase no one will share the experience gained in 100 years to achieve something like Rafale that we tend to forget...

We will commit mistakes, we have to learn very quickly from it so not to make same next time and be patient and positive...

We have to build our capabilities the hard way no one will share with US...

When some experts are comparing with DRDO and other Indian institutions have themselves taken 80 years or so to reach the point today...my 2 cents...

 

[ashdoc]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

Can Rafale be compared with SU MKI?

So There is no need for Rafale also ... go with Sukhoi....
See its just that there are things which Tejas cannot do but Rafale do and there are things that Rafale cant do but Su can....
but our requirement can be met with the combination of MK1 MK2 and MKI or remove MK2 even then it is met till the AMCA and FGFA arrive.....

sukhoi is not medium , it is heavy weight . requirement is of MEDIUM aircraft . tejas is simply light aircraft and has a place at the lower end of the spectrum . i am not asking it to be cancelled . but asking it to fit into shoes of a medium aircraft is too much .

 

[abingdonboy]

Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake

Ultimate rebuttal to this piece of S*** Bhrat khand:


http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...isgivings-unfounded-must-read.html#post928164