Re: Why Rafale is a Big Mistake
Deep Strike Mission:- This actually is the biggest fallacy that Rafale will be used to carry out deep strike. Just for a moment assume that war has been imposed on India and GOI has no option but to respond. If the war happens to be with PAKISTAN, we know that majority of the air bases and military installment of Pakistan is situated at less than 300 km from the border. These areas are highly defended by air defence SAMs. Rafale with big load under it's belly will easily have RCS 2m2 - 3m2 or more. With such RCS, the ground based batteries of these SAMs will detect Rafale from more than 100km. The very question of Rafale's survivability under these circumstances come under the scanner as far as deep strike mission is concerned. It is very common understanding, that these missions will be undertaken by more reliable, faster and world beater BRAHMOS. What Rafale will do as part of A2G mission is to give air support to ground troops for which almost all the fighters other than Mig 21 is good at and Tejas will be cheaper and idle solution.
You are right that deep strike will be done by cruse missiles, which can be done by any a/c. But we simply launch missiles and they will strike the SAMs thats not going to happen. we have to take the strike package as close as possible by vehicle, and for that fighter have to evade the enemy's radar. Now here comes the profit of having better avionics and ECMs. Fighter will follow the specific low attitude path. Better avionics will help plane to maintain as low as possible. Now thats where stealth gives profit. But if you doesn't have stealth than you have to use jammers. Although mki can do job but Rafale is better. If you have Rafale to perform such task than mki can be used for other role, especially air superiority which is its primary task.
Thats mean that if target is 100km far from your base than actual distance could be 150km or may be much longer. Although mki would be used for deep strike but only if target is completely out of reach by other fighter.
Dont forget that IAF upgraded mig27 and jaguars after the induction of mki. Specially Jaguars who get major upgrade and new orders and even got missiles in any case......
Rafale having greater acceleration than any other fighter can evade the area after task completion.
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Can Perform Task, which Su 30mki can't perform and Tejas will not able to perform:- No one ever mentioned with sufficient logic, that what are these tasks.[/QUOTE]
Realistically there is no task which cannot be done by either by mki or by miraj so as tejus. But again RAfale have advantage over them in every aspect. Like in strike mission, bvr&wvr engagements. Of having higher sustainable turn,higher acceleration, higher climb rate and higher weapons etc.
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Have to induct it as Fighters squadrons of IAF is depleting:- I like to ask that is, why the hell they advocating to spend $20 billion for 126 Rafale when we can get 300 Tejas(mk1 & mk2) and 100+ Super Sukhoi for the same price or even lesser price. This way we can induct get rid of all our problems. Both Tejas and Super Sukhoi is way ahead of anything Pakistan will have in the next two decade and comparable to what China is gonna induct in terms of capability in the coming decade.[/QUOTE]
Cancellation of Rafale definitely boost LCA program. But can HAL provide 350 lca by 2025....simply no. Mki is behind the dead line, up-gradation of miraj is delayed. They took ~5 years to deliver ~20 jaguars etc. So we need something else to maintain our fighters quantity. We just can not induct more heavy weight fighters.
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Will help to fix Kaveri problem, with the know how of it's engine:- Again something which everyone argues without knowing the reality. Some gave me the link to read Su 30mki 100% indigenous fighter. They need to understand that HAL still don't manufacture engines on its own and it has to buy the engine from Russia. Yes it is true that some parts of the engine it can make of its own, but they don't have the technical know-how of some critical technology. Similarly the source codes of the radar of Su 30mki, the display system, has never been transferred and will never will. You can get technical knowledge of hardware parts but not any source codes. Do you guys really think that HAL people sit back in their lab and write the source codes of all these. Surely in Rafale case, there will be more TOT but not all and critical technology what we want most of it will never get transferred like the technical details(source codes) of AESA radar, Spectra, etc. And whatever gets transferred it will take HAL close to 15 years to completely master it, by then the technology itself will get obsolete.[/QUOTE]
Again you are right. tot not gonna help us too much. But Scemma is helping us to upgrade kaveri and now it is based on m88 core. Although may be we will able to develop kaveri without them as results were also too much good. but now we are getting reliability of a great engine.(not to mention that m88 is even more refined than EJ2000, now they are developing new EJ200 series engine which they said that will be better than m88). And bro...............................if we doesnt buy rafale so scemma ki bhi kya fati hai apne resources ek "without future" engine me waste kre.
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Can be used for next 40 years:- I doubt 40 years, because if we are talking about 40 years, we are talking about 2060-2070 timeline and considering how fast the technology evolves these days, these dates are absurd. 2040-2045 will be more realistic. And I also want to question when 5th gen fighters will be available to us for induction, most probably from 2022 onwards, it will be stupidity to induct Rafale which again is termed as costly than fifth gen fighters and will be nowhere close to them.[/QUOTE]
Again you are worth to note, but generations is just what we made to classify the fighters. As Browne said that up-gradation of miraj will transform them into next generation fighter.......remain you know.
How many years Rafale will serve, will depend upon the future. I mean we uses hunter upto 90s, while retired su7 too early. It depends what is priority. Rafale' cost is too high, but if we see towards future, fighters cost is just going higher. And compare to them Rafale's cost will be too low. But for that we have to wait for future. And nearly every a/c's superiority obsolete after a decade, mki is still better because nobody in sub-continent bought better available fighters. Same f22 is superior till date because no one try to make better.
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Less break down, higher availability:- The recent data released by French Air Force is of 44% availability of these fighters which is comparable to Sukhoi's today. Moreover these are today's number when the fighter is still new, just imagine what will happen once they will be in service for 10-15 years, their availability rate will fall down to 30 odd percentage(even worse than Sukhoi).[/QUOTE]
Your information french is nearly correct. But it is not Rafale fault. French cut their defense budget, and Rafale got hunted because they can save a lot of money.
FGFA's acquaintance cost will be higher even compare to PAKFA, because they uses same platform, while FGFA have higher composite which increases maintenance hours and money.
You also have doubts about M88, so get my point m88 is most refined engine right now. which is most essential fighter sorties.
