Al-Khalid MBT And Pakistani Armour

[Dazzler]

Stupid question whoes gun is better, Chini or Pakistani?????

Not stupid at all, Chinese gun is ZPT 98, based on 2a46M design with quality improvements in barrel life, pressure and accuracy. Autofretagged and chrome plated, barrel length varies between 48 calibre to 52 calibre. Initial guns were installed on prototypes (48 cal version) but found short some requirements so we went ahead with KBA-3 technology already offered by Ukraine by 2001. Both guns have good performance and quality improvements along with longer life than standard 2a46m series. Just a matter of preference by respective users.

 

[Armand2REP]

well i thought your Indian as your Reply approach is similar to them

plz name those thing we make under tot from China
and the Mbt2000 was a jv which was further upgraded into al khalid series by Pakistan and China by vt1 SERIES

you cant give whole credit to China

A JV with a supplier country is just another name for buying ToT. It is the same with just about any Indian JV as well. We even see DRDO paying for ToT so they can complete projects and call it indigenous. Looking at Paks R&D budget, there are no significant resources that could ever hope to develop such weapon systems on their own.

I can give whole credit to China, except that in some instances ToT had to be bought, in others it was given.

 

[farhan_9909]

A JV with a supplier country is just another name for buying ToT. It is the same with just about any Indian JV as well. We even see DRDO paying for ToT so they can complete projects and call it indigenous. Looking at Paks R&D budget, there are no significant resources that could ever hope to develop such weapon systems on their own.

I can give whole credit to China, except that in some instances ToT had to be bought, in others it was given.

can you plz name those items ye get under tot.


Or this was your guess as usuall

 

[farhan_9909]

The way you guys are switched into a denial mode about links and even official specifications, i dont see you believing anything we post.

well its annoying
but the question do we really care What they think

they are good as underestimater

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Just When making long claims beyond once ability, Always provide link or some solid proof ( Not Wiki ) to back it up..

Other wise it just running with rumor as facts.. that is again based on fan-boy rumors..

 

[navkapu]

Although the first example of the Mohafiz is based on a Toyota Land Cruiser chassis, it could also be built on other 4 × 4 chassis. This includes the Land Rover Defender 110 (4 × 4), which is already in service with the Pakistani Army in large numbers.



Is pak army or heavy industry taxilla pay royalty or licence fee to TATA???? after all you are using their product

is this the same Bullet-proof cars became death traps in May 2012 operation - thenews.com.pk

It Looks like anything they make is Overstated in Capability...... funny

sorry this was not to hurt anyone its just whatever the Chinese say on capability is grossly overstatement pls take stuff with pinch of salt .......

 

[farhan_9909]

is this the same Bullet-proof cars became death traps in May 2012 operation - thenews.com.pk

It Looks like anything they make is Overstated in Capability...... funny

sorry this was not to hurt anyone its just whatever the Chinese say on capability is grossly overstatement pls take stuff with pinch of salt .......

well you need to check out the last few pages

answer from hit official is already posted

 

[Armand2REP]

can you plz name those items ye get under tot.

What items do i get under ToT? France gets no ToT, it buys OTS. Pakistan gets all of its technology from China as an R&D budget is practically none existent.

 

[farhan_9909]

What items do i get under ToT? France gets no ToT, it buys OTS. Pakistan gets all of its technology from China as an R&D budget is practically none existent.

plz mention the technology

and plz tell us about the R&D of Pakistan because you said the budget is non existing
since you know about Pakistan R&D budget

 

[sayareakd]

Not stupid at all, Chinese gun is ZPT 98, based on 2a46M design with quality improvements in barrel life, pressure and accuracy. Autofretagged and chrome plated, barrel length varies between 48 calibre to 52 calibre. Initial guns were installed on prototypes (48 cal version) but found short some requirements so we went ahead with KBA-3 technology already offered by Ukraine by 2001. Both guns have good performance and quality improvements along with longer life than standard 2a46m series. Just a matter of preference by respective users.

So our gun is superior to Chinese gun..............:thumb:

yeah we too hate Chinese product they only work in shop, if it work in home, you are lucky guy, may be Pakistan too have found out this fact.

 

[farhan_9909]

So our gun is superior to Chinese gun..............:thumb:

yeah we too hate Chinese product they only work in shop, if it work in home, you are lucky guy, may be Pakistan too have found out this fact.

your so called rifled gun muzzle velocity is just 1600m/s
Indeed your gun is very much superior

 

[sayareakd]

your so called rifled gun muzzle velocity is just 1600m/s
Indeed your gun is very much superior

we are now thinking of using INSAS gun for the same..........

Please stick to topic at hand.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Poor show of Knowledge..

Guns are never-ever directly related with muzzle velocity but always related with length of the gun and its Max Chamber Pressure, And most importantly the Ammo used..

 

[Dazzler]

Some more information and development history, the link dates back to 2006-07 but nice information.....................



October 1, 1988 between the PRC (the company NORINCO) and Pakistan (Heavy Industries Taxila) signed an agreement on joint development and production of the new main battle tank MBT-2000 (also known as "Type 90-II»). The program was approved by the Committee of Defense January 16, 1990, and in May was already signed the final contract. In parallel with the tests in China, Tank, "90-II» / MBT-2000 was tested in Pakistan. Manufacture of machinery was to be done at the factory F-711 company «Taxila», which until then jointly produce tanks "Type 59" , "Type 69" and "Type 85-IIM" .

first prototype promising Pakistani tank "Type 90-IIM», later received its own name "Al Khalid", was built in July 1991, and publicly demonstrated by China and Pakistan, as joint development. Virtually all of the prototypes "Al Khalid" are tanks "Type 90-II» / MBT-2000 in several different versions. After extensive testing, which began in 1992 and ended in the summer of 1998, it was decided to adopt for service option MBT "Al Khalid" the engine of Ukrainian origin 6TD-2.

In 2000, the Pakistani company «Taxila» completed the limited series production of the first pilot batch tank "Al Khalid." Only 15 cars were produced, which were sent to military units for trial operation.




Tank "Al-Khalid" ("Type 90-IIM») on trials in Pakistan

Main battle tank "Al Khalid" has some differences from the "Type 90-II» / MBT-2000. First, it has a hinged ERA in China, which gives the tank a distinctive appearance. Blocks of reactive armor on the front hull and turret projections similar to the tank, "90-II» with CLE, except the cheeks of the tower where the shelves are "corner", similar to the Russian and Ukrainian tanks. Additional blocks of reactive armor installed on the turret basket. The combat weight of the tank reaches 48 tons. It has been reported that in Pakistan the company is actively developing new armor alloys, which will later be used on the tank "Al Khalid."

The second major difference is the appearance and layout of the MTO, which established Ukrainian 6TD diesel engine and automatic transmission, summarized in a single unit. While the original project "Type 90-IIA» was supposed to use a French diesel engine «Unidiesel V» of 1500 hp, this option was dropped due to pressure from the U.S. and India on the French government (over the real reason, apparently, was the difference in the prices). Choosing to Ukrainian diesel did not unusual, since Pakistan has long cooperated with Ukraine in military terms, and previously purchased her 320 tanks T-84 with 6TD-2.

However, recently there have been reports that due to problems with its diesel forcing Ukrainians still offer Pakistan a good old 6TD, not 6TD-2,

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It has been reported that in Pakistan the company is actively developing new armor alloys, which will later be used on the tank "Al Khalid."

New Armour alloy can mean many things related to tank Armour, One simple can be is the better RHA plates..

 

[Dazzler]

Aorak Explosive Reactive armour (Pakistan)



Type
Active Armour

Development
The Institute of Industrial Control Systems, well known for the design, development and production of missile and rocket systems, developed the AORAK Mk 1 Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) system to improve the combat survivability of tanks and armoured fighting vehicles against attack from Chemical Energy (CE) projectiles. As far as it is known, there have been no exports of this ERA by Pakistan.China has been involved in the transfer of MBT technology to the Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) plant and this could also have included at least some ERA technology.It should be noted that some of the Institute of Industrial Control Systems products are now being marketed by Global Industrial & Defence Solutions of Pakistan.

Institute of Industrial Control Systems AORAK Mk 1 explosive reactive armour (Pakistan) - Jane's Armour and Artillery Upgrades

 

[Dazzler]

three versions are known to have been produced, mk.1, 2, 3, here is more...


Pakistan is also working in this direction.

Dr AQ Khan Research Laboratories AORAK Mk 1 Explosive Reactive Armour
Date Posted: 22-May-2003

Development / Description

The Dr AQ Khan Research Laboratories, well known for the design, development and production of missile and rocket systems, have developed the AORAK Mk 1 explosive reactive armour (ERA) system to improve the combat survivability of tanks and armoured fighting vehicles against attack from Chemical Energy (CE) projectiles.
So far, the Dr AQ Khan Research Laboratories have developed three different sizes of ERA modules to meet different user requirements.
They are known as Type A, B and C and differ only in their size. Each module consists of two thin steel plates between which the explosive is inserted. This in turn is inserted in a box which is then bolted on to the hull or turret of the vehicle.
Efforts have also been made "‹"‹to reduce the risk of accidental detonation of the ERA modules by small arms fire, shell fragments and lightning strikes as well as reducing the sympathetic detonation of surrounding ERA modules.
This armour system is claimed to have a shelf-life of 10 years and an operational temperature range of -40 to +52 º C.


Specifications

Type A
Type B
Type C

Size
305 × 305 mm
229 × 229 mm
152 × 152 mm

Weight
16 kg
9 kg
8 kg

Weight of explosive sheet
1.2 kg
0.75 kg
0.35 kg

Status

Development complete. Believed to be in low-rate production for the Pakistan Army for installation on Type 59, 69 and 85 series MBTs. Late in 2000, Pakistan showed the Al Khalid and Al Zarra MBTs fitted with ERA over their frontal arc. At this stage, the source of this ERA is not known. Al Khalid is now entering production for Pakistan with 315 to be built over a three year period.



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[Armand2REP]

plz mention the technology

and plz tell us about the R&D of Pakistan because you said the budget is non existing
since you know about Pakistan R&D budget

Pakistan defence R&D is 4.5% of the budget = $211 million. It has been far less in recent years and almost all of it has gone into the nuclear programme. DRDO is 10X this and France is 40X. The limitations of such a minuscule budget are clear.

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan defence R&D is 4.5% of the budget = $211 million. It has been far less in recent years and almost all of it has gone into the nuclear programme. DRDO is 10X this and France is 40X. The limitations of such a minuscule budget are clear.

to be precise 3.9% of 228billions usd.
Or 910billions(including the nuclear Program cost( or 9.6billions$)
this is peanuts?

 

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan also has transfered the composite armour tech to turkey for there ATLAY MBT

the new armour was said to be developed with Ukrainian assistant in 2005 and further improved in AK1

but dont know why Pakistan is not giving it a local name