Agni V Missile

[Rahul92]

Surya Will be the front line ICBM of INDIA

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

SURYA is far away from being achieved. We have still not mastered the design of the cryogenic engine which is made use of in rockets which are used to launch satellites. But as said by the DRDO officials, if at all the INDIAN ARMY requires an ICBM then we can design an ICBM.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

@sandeepdg
we definately need an icbm to take care of our security against the west.agni-5 will be sufficient to take care of china but for europe and america we need surya-icbm.the service chief regularly makes press statements regarding the aim to convert indian armed forces into a capability based force and we still are china-pakistan phobic.having an icbm in our arsenal does not mean that we are going to world war 3 against the west.it serve a deterent against a high tech agression like the iraq war in 2003.and the argument of some of the bloggers that we don't need icbm is baseless because in that respect india is a pacifist country and does not even require an armed force to protect itself.china developed it's first icbm in 1977.at that time it had only two enemies india and the ussr.india started it's first icbm programme in the early seventies secretly under the insistance of indira gandhi(even though the project eventually failed).do you think the chinese and the indian military planners in 1970's were fools.as we grow economically and militarily friction is certain to arise between us and the west.who knows whether 10-15 years down the line india will not face the same situation in indian ocean as china is facing in south china sea.do you want india to be a client state
to america as is the vision of manmohan singh or do you want india to be in the same position as the us,former ussr,china etc.icbm is not only a missile-it may be regarded as the the bhramastra which we need in our arsenal for sure.

 

[Tshering22]

At present, we need a strategic weapon that can cause catastrophic and irreparable damage to our two immediate challenges that are right beside us. For this, we should have technically moved from Agni-III to Agni-VIII directly rather than this waste of time and money by moving every thousand kilometers at the pace of a snail. China has us covered since the last 4 decades while even today, we need to place our Agni-IIIs right at the tip of J&K and AP to strike anywhere deep inside PRC.

IMO, SFC needs to be re-built from scratch with a serious and rational doctrine rather than the chai-pakora nonsense that we have right now in administration and defense.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

At present, we need a strategic weapon that can cause catastrophic and irreparable damage to our two immediate challenges that are right beside us. For this, we should have technically moved from Agni-III to Agni-VIII directly rather than this waste of time and money by moving every thousand kilometers at the pace of a snail. China has us covered since the last 4 decades while even today, we need to place our Agni-IIIs right at the tip of J&K and AP to strike anywhere deep inside PRC.

IMO, SFC needs to be re-built from scratch with a serious and rational doctrine rather than the chai-pakora nonsense that we have right now in administration and defense.

we can easily do this by having ISRO and DRDO collaborate, at this stage this has never been formally proposed but if security concerns require it then it will be.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

i think instead of sfc we should have a dedicated branch of military like russian strategic rocket forces and china's 2nd artillery corps.the separate branch would ensure specialist recruitement rather than part-timers from other three services and also a bigger share of budget (chinese 2nd artillery corps has 12.5% budget share) and also a fully dedicated ballistic missile arm which can speed up our icbm developements.

 

[mattster]

we can easily do this by having ISRO and DRDO collaborate, at this stage this has never been formally proposed but if security concerns require it then it will be.

You know.......I keep hearing this CRAZY comment from time to time in DFI about ISRO and DRDO not sharing know-how because of sanctions or whatever.

If that is really TRUE (that DRDO is reinventing the wheel that ISRO has already mastered) - then INDIA must be the DUMBEST F*CKING COUNTRY in the universe.
I dont think Indians are that stupid. There may definitely be cases where despite similarities the stuff that ISRO develops may not be perfectly suited, or may not apply for ballistic missiles.

I cant imagine that anyone in GOI would be that freaking stupid not to share critical technologies that one government entity has already developed with another government entity especially one involving national security. There is no outside sanction-regime in the world that can track the transfer of knowledge and skills across individuals or different entities in India unless these entities are so infiltrated with scientists turned spies/moles from top to bottom.

To suggest that INDIA is not actively sharing critical technologies between ISRO and DRDO to prevent sanctions against ISRO is totally ludicrous !!

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

This should not be a matter of concern now atleast after the U.S. scrapping the sharing of critical technologies to DRDO. We have to move. I think that this step or statement that ISRO and DRDO are not allowed to share technology due to sanctions may be an eye wash by the GoI to show that INDIA is clean.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This may sound ludicrious but I will give one simple example of this non cooperation. DRDO and ISRO both have their own separate booster programs. No booster I know has made it's way from ISRO to DRDO. If this had been done DRDO could have made an ICBM more than a decade ago .

 

[mattster]

This may sound ludicrious but I will give one simple example of this non cooperation. DRDO and ISRO both have their own separate booster programs. No booster I know has made it's way from ISRO to DRDO. If this had been done DRDO could have made an ICBM more than a decade ago .

it may be true that they have separate booster programs with different specs, etc. But the underlying core technologies will be shared whenever its applicable. But again, as always the devil is in the details when it comes to engineering. It would just be completely retarded for them not to share with each other and learn from each other. Off course they are not going to publicize it and will always deny it.

 

[ace009]

it may be true that they have separate booster programs with different specs, etc. But the underlying core technologies will be shared whenever its applicable. But again, as always the devil is in the details when it comes to engineering. It would just be completely retarded for them not to share with each other and learn from each other. Off course they are not going to publicize it and will always deny it.

I think what you are referring to is called "plausible deniability". See, you can stop the blueprints from being shared between ISRO and DRDO. But can you stop a scientist from ISRO retiring and then joining DRDO as a consultant? Or a technician from ISRO being hired by another government organization and then sent to work at a DRDO facility?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

it may be true that they have separate booster programs with different specs, etc. But the underlying core technologies will be shared whenever its applicable. But again, as always the devil is in the details when it comes to engineering. It would just be completely retarded for them not to share with each other and learn from each other. Off course they are not going to publicize it and will always deny it.

I think something may have been developed and undisclosed for political reasons??

 

[sandeepdg]

Its foolish to dream about ICBMs when we are yet to test the Agni-5. Even the Agni-3 is not fully operational with the Army. China developed ICBMs 4 decades back since it had manifested super power ambitions right since it became a republic in 1949 and adopted communism, which directly put it in the cross hairs of the democratic, capitalist western world. It very well knew since long back that a day will come when it will cross paths with USA in everything it did. India on the other hand, though viewed suspiciously by west, after independence, has remained committed to peace, and the world view changed when India openly declared that its two biggest challenges to peace, stability and growth were its western and eastern neighbors. The current equation between India and the world powers may change anytime, I agree, but I don't see why India or for that matter any world power would be hostile to each other, given that economics are gonna be the deciding factor for all our future relations with all countries as we grow day-by-day to become an economic giant and a huge market for the world, and no one would want to lose the economic opportunities due to their short-sightedness in the future. So, its better that we first tackle the immediate challenges to counter our biggest threats, by perfecting the Agni-5, build an SLBM(K-4), induct SLBM armed Arihants, develop an effective ABM system to counter enemy missiles, and then move on to the ICBM. If we achieve perfection with an MIRV capable Agni-5 having a range of 5000-6000 kms, it won't be much difficult to move to the ICBM theater of having a missile of ranges 8000-10000 kms or more. But for the next decade, our priorities should be, according to me, the points I stated above.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

They would be hostile exactly for economic reasons, knock your competitor out and you have a bigger market, as is our neighbors to East view.

 

[sayareakd]

well china tested this in 1970s

not very practical to have fixed launch pad for ICBM.

we could have achieved this long time back with modified PSLV and GSLV, if we wanted.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

well china tested this in 1970s

not very practical to have fixed launch pad for ICBM.

we could have achieved this long time back with modified PSLV and GSLV, if we wanted.

All their SLBM tests have also been failures with a few almost killing everyone there.

 

[Param]

So this is the ICBM they had in the 70s. No big deal. And they keep bragging about that. India could have built something like this long time ago.

 

[sayareakd]

All their SLBM tests have also been failures with a few almost killing everyone there.

LF not to forget their long march rocket disaster which did heavy damage, plus while seeing Wikimapia, i found large destroyed missile base near Indian border, it appears that blast in one of the missile took out entire missile base, if you guys want pics i can search and post the link to that area.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

LF not to forget their long march rocket disaster which did heavy damage, plus while seeing Wikimapia, i found large destroyed missile base near Indian border, it appears that blast in one of the missile took out entire missile base, if you guys want pics i can search and post the link to that area.

80%+ of the Chinese missiles originate from the 40 year old DF series

http://www.nti.org/db/china/wbmdat.htm

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

If a country has the capability to launch its own sattelites then it can make ICBM's by itself. One of the scientists from INDIA told that if required by the GoI INDIA can convert the PSLV rocket into an ICBM anytime.