Aman kumar
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Shouldn't Kaveri be used with twin engine aircraft first as testbed
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Somehow that common sense is missed by everyone who keeps prematurely harping that Kaveri is READY!!!
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Missed that "READY" news. Where was that from?
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Common sense is to understand the context than just knit picking on words.
READY does not mean serial production. Safran also used word ready but with context called Flight worthy for limited envelope.
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it was already tested....before.......dont know about recent tests .....and kaveri is a must for tejas.....as I dont believe in trump.
...also his recent remarks in caatsa...is scaring a lot...
caatsa ..will affect a Lot tejas program.....
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India never wanted to have imported engine as that is against the concept of Indian plane. Engine is fundamental essence and importing it will make the plane non-Indian. UPA sabotaged Kaveri and imported F404. But with NDA< the engine will again be Kaveri only. There is no need to worry of CAATSA. Making engine is not an impossible feat. It just takes 15 years of time which was not given to Indian scientists by UPA
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It will have to retested as lot of issues identified have been fixed. Here lies the problem.Boeing as part of offset was suppose to create a flying test bed from 2011 itself. It dragged it till 2017 and then now for unknown reasons Mod and DRDO is dragging after Boeing said it was ready.
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hmm......hope we will get updates in aero India 2019
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Its was succesfully tested on russian IL-76 test bed in 2010
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The press release doesn't specify the customer or the platform, other reports wrt the deal suggested Philippine Air Force.
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Nope, it's development doesn't fit to the delivery time lines. That's why foreign AESAs are considered for MK1A, while Uttam, if successful, would be a choice for MK2 and IOC/FOC upgrades.
And the plan was, to integrate it into a Mig 29 after that, for additional test flights, which never hapened.
Unless it's for ground testing, using a new engine on a single engine fighter right away, would be a mistake and a risk for the LCA programme as well.
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Hmm not specified tejas .....
But I dont see any fighter ..where aesa will be fitted ....source please
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EL 2032 is not an AESA, but a pulse doppler radar =>
https://defense-update.com/20181016_2032.html
The AESA is the EL 2052 and just as the EL 2032, it can be integrated to a variety of aircrafts. Jaguar IM, LCA MK1A, was offered for Gripen at the beginning of MMRCA and so on.
Let's see if more details of the contract will come out, to see which customer it is.
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hmm sorry my mistake 2032 is not aesa .....
hmm saw your link may be its for.....T-50 of Philippines air force but not sure enough........may be its tejas
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ep-workforce-engaged/articleshow/66478499.cms
HAL plans 3rd LCA line to keep workforce engaged
Chethan Kumar| TNN | Nov 2, 2018, 19:25 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
BENGALURU: Conceding that its employees trained to work on fixed wing aircraft will see a reduction in work once it delivers the remaining Su-30 MKI planes Su-30 planes, HAL has now decided to open a third manufacturing line of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas at its Nashik facility, which so far has only made the Su-30. The last Su-30 will be delivered by March 2020.
TOI had reported earlier that with the Hawk and Jaguar projects already completed and just 23 of the Su-30s pending delivery, thousands of HAL workers will have little or no work until new orders come. HAL CMD R Madhavan, on Friday said: “While the repair and overhauling work at Nashik will still be there, it is true that a section of those workers will have no work. So we’ve decided to start a third LCA line at Nashik.”
The operation of the third line, however, depends on HAL getting the orders for 83 Tejas cleared by the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC), which is currently stuck with the Cost Committee set up by the Centre, which feels that the cost quoted by HAL is too high.
“We’ve submitted all clarifications to the committee. You cannot compare the cost of the IOC (initial operational clearance) configuration, which had nothing to the FOC (final operational clearance) configuration which has a lot of new equipment added. The cost has gone up because of that. Now, if you want the moon, you will have to pay for it,” Madhavan said.
He did not, however, give out details of what HAL had quoted for each Tejas. HAL is already spending Rs 1,300 crore to augment LCA production and make 16 aircraft annually, and the third line will be part of this. “With that we hope to achieve an annual production rate of 20 planes a year,” he said.
At present HAL has orders for 40 Tejas—16 in IOC configuration and the remaining in FOC configuration—and orders for the 83 is important for the PSU to keep its production going. Madhavan said that on the rotary wing side, the PSU has enough orders to keep its workforce engaged, as reported by TOI earlier.
“We are also hopeful of bagging order for the light combat helicopter (LCH) and the light utility helicopter (LUH) in the future besides the Kamov helicopters which will be a joint venture with Russia,” he said.
IAF pays due partly
Madhavan also confirmed that the PSU has more than Rs 7,000 crore dues owed by the armed forces—more than 70% of which must come from cash-strapped Indian Air Force (IAF)—and that this payment would make its cash position better.
“Just a few days ago the IAF paid Rs 2,000-odd crore which has helped our cash position, and we will be in a better position once the remaining is paid too...the army and navy owe us a negligible amount,” he said.
Order Books
While conceding that the company could do with more orders than its book reflects, Madhavan said: “We generally like to have an order book that would take care of sales for about five to seven years, but the Rs 62,000 crore or Rs 64,0000 crore we have now is enough only for three-and-a-half years. That said, we are hopeful that the LCA and LCH orders come through soon,” he said.
HAL plans 3rd LCA line to keep workforce engaged
Chethan Kumar| TNN | Nov 2, 2018, 19:25 IST
HIGHLIGHTS
- HAL has now decided to open a third manufacturing LCA Tejas at its Nashik facility
- The operation of the third line, however, depends on HAL getting the orders for 83 Tejas cleared by the Defence Acquisition Committee
- At present HAL has orders for 40 Tejas—16 in IOC configuration and the remaining in FOC configuration
BENGALURU: Conceding that its employees trained to work on fixed wing aircraft will see a reduction in work once it delivers the remaining Su-30 MKI planes Su-30 planes, HAL has now decided to open a third manufacturing line of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas at its Nashik facility, which so far has only made the Su-30. The last Su-30 will be delivered by March 2020.
TOI had reported earlier that with the Hawk and Jaguar projects already completed and just 23 of the Su-30s pending delivery, thousands of HAL workers will have little or no work until new orders come. HAL CMD R Madhavan, on Friday said: “While the repair and overhauling work at Nashik will still be there, it is true that a section of those workers will have no work. So we’ve decided to start a third LCA line at Nashik.”
The operation of the third line, however, depends on HAL getting the orders for 83 Tejas cleared by the Defence Acquisition Committee (DAC), which is currently stuck with the Cost Committee set up by the Centre, which feels that the cost quoted by HAL is too high.
“We’ve submitted all clarifications to the committee. You cannot compare the cost of the IOC (initial operational clearance) configuration, which had nothing to the FOC (final operational clearance) configuration which has a lot of new equipment added. The cost has gone up because of that. Now, if you want the moon, you will have to pay for it,” Madhavan said.
He did not, however, give out details of what HAL had quoted for each Tejas. HAL is already spending Rs 1,300 crore to augment LCA production and make 16 aircraft annually, and the third line will be part of this. “With that we hope to achieve an annual production rate of 20 planes a year,” he said.
At present HAL has orders for 40 Tejas—16 in IOC configuration and the remaining in FOC configuration—and orders for the 83 is important for the PSU to keep its production going. Madhavan said that on the rotary wing side, the PSU has enough orders to keep its workforce engaged, as reported by TOI earlier.
“We are also hopeful of bagging order for the light combat helicopter (LCH) and the light utility helicopter (LUH) in the future besides the Kamov helicopters which will be a joint venture with Russia,” he said.
IAF pays due partly
Madhavan also confirmed that the PSU has more than Rs 7,000 crore dues owed by the armed forces—more than 70% of which must come from cash-strapped Indian Air Force (IAF)—and that this payment would make its cash position better.
“Just a few days ago the IAF paid Rs 2,000-odd crore which has helped our cash position, and we will be in a better position once the remaining is paid too...the army and navy owe us a negligible amount,” he said.
Order Books
While conceding that the company could do with more orders than its book reflects, Madhavan said: “We generally like to have an order book that would take care of sales for about five to seven years, but the Rs 62,000 crore or Rs 64,0000 crore we have now is enough only for three-and-a-half years. That said, we are hopeful that the LCA and LCH orders come through soon,” he said.
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The next positive news about LCA would be Flying Daggers are celebrating "Holi" and Uttrayan.I mean where are news regarding FOC now, it's mid-november and we'll be done with 2018 within 50 days. And December deadline will be missed just like the previous ones and there will be no one accountable for this once again.
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I mean where are news regarding FOC now, it's mid-november and we'll be done with 2018 within 50 days. And December deadline will be missed just like the previous ones and there will be no one accountable for this once again.
Not good news regarding FOC. ADA says going to happen and HAL says no.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...velopment-agency/amp_articleshow/66553399.cms
With the deadline for attaining the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fast approaching, the Aeronautical Development Agency is confident of meeting its target.
The FOC compliant Tejas would incorporate Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, improved and better stand-off weapons and air-to-air refueling capability.
After the project missed the June deadline for FOC, a revised cut-off was fixed for December-end.
The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which is the nodal agency for the LCA programme, is confident of meeting this deadline even as the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has expressed doubts.
Last week, HAL Chairman R Madhavan said that the attaining FOC by the end of December could be a problem and that it could be pushed to next year.
“The FOC in December could be a problem. It would most probably take place next year,” Madhavan had said.
However, Aeronautical Development Agency Director Girish S Deodhare told Bangalore Mirror that the FOC deadline would not be missed and that it would take place by the end of December.
“We have forwarded all the drawings of the FOC aircraft to HAL for production. The drawings were handed over in August and we do not expect any delay. Formally, the FOC should be done by December-end,” he said.
The Indian Air Force and HAL have so far signed two contracts for procurement of 20 Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) standard aircraft and 20 Final Operational Clearance (FOC) standard aircraft.
As per the initial order, of the 20 IOC aircraft, 16 were meant to be fighter jets and four to be trainers. However, the IAF now wants all the trainers in FOC configuration.
Recently, ahead of the FOC, the Tejas programme attained a significant milestone as it successfully completed the Wet (actual) engagement by transferring 1900 Kgs fuel from IAF IL78 mid-air refueling tanker.
The 45 Squadron of the IAF “The Flying Daggers” which was the first squadron to be equipped with LCA-Tejas is stationed in an IAF base in Sulur, near Coimbatore.
Apart from the 40 IOC and FOC standard aircraft HAL has received Request for Proposal (RFP) to supply of 83 Tejas and the production is planned from 2019-2020. The production of these 83 aircraft will start after the completion of the 20 Final Operational Clearance (FOC) standard LCA aircraft.
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I'm wondering what's making it hard for HAL. 40 years for a fighter, we'll become a laughing stock in that way.Not good news regarding FOC. ADA says going to happen and HAL says no.
https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...velopment-agency/amp_articleshow/66553399.cms
With the deadline for attaining the Final Operational Clearance (FOC) for the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas fast approaching, the Aeronautical Development Agency is confident of meeting its target.
The FOC compliant Tejas would incorporate Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles, improved and better stand-off weapons and air-to-air refueling capability.
After the project missed the June deadline for FOC, a revised cut-off was fixed for December-end.
The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which is the nodal agency for the LCA programme, is confident of meeting this deadline even as the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has expressed doubts.
Last week, HAL Chairman R Madhavan said that the attaining FOC by the end of December could be a problem and that it could be pushed to next year.
“The FOC in December could be a problem. It would most probably take place next year,” Madhavan had said.
However, Aeronautical Development Agency Director Girish S Deodhare told Bangalore Mirror that the FOC deadline would not be missed and that it would take place by the end of December.
“We have forwarded all the drawings of the FOC aircraft to HAL for production. The drawings were handed over in August and we do not expect any delay. Formally, the FOC should be done by December-end,” he said.
The Indian Air Force and HAL have so far signed two contracts for procurement of 20 Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) standard aircraft and 20 Final Operational Clearance (FOC) standard aircraft.
As per the initial order, of the 20 IOC aircraft, 16 were meant to be fighter jets and four to be trainers. However, the IAF now wants all the trainers in FOC configuration.
Recently, ahead of the FOC, the Tejas programme attained a significant milestone as it successfully completed the Wet (actual) engagement by transferring 1900 Kgs fuel from IAF IL78 mid-air refueling tanker.
The 45 Squadron of the IAF “The Flying Daggers” which was the first squadron to be equipped with LCA-Tejas is stationed in an IAF base in Sulur, near Coimbatore.
Apart from the 40 IOC and FOC standard aircraft HAL has received Request for Proposal (RFP) to supply of 83 Tejas and the production is planned from 2019-2020. The production of these 83 aircraft will start after the completion of the 20 Final Operational Clearance (FOC) standard LCA aircraft.
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