ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[sameer3694]

Ball is in their court, currently this drama is just to arm twist us, if they want to go further and burn bridges by dicking with the GE F414 then do be it, we made our own Nukes and ICBMs, we can make a lot more if appropriate foot to ass is applied from the high places.

If the bridges are burnt, It will be a major slowdown for our Tejas Mk2 program. I remember there was some news where the CCS approval for Mk2 is linked to F414 being co-produced in India. So they can delay our program by a lot if they wish to.

Not to mention this is also our engine for AMCA Mk1 too but that program is quite far in the horizon anyway.

TBH, with the possibility of another skirmish with China being high, sometime in this or early next decade. It's not looking good. Cooler heads need to prevail.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

If the bridges are burnt, It will be a major slowdown for our Tejas Mk2 program. I remember there was some news where the CCS approval for Mk2 is linked to F414 being co-produced in India. So they can delay our program by a lot if they wish to.

Not to mention this is also our engine for AMCA Mk1 too but that program is quite far in the horizon anyway.

TBH, with the possibility of another skirmish with China being high, sometime in this or early next decade. It's not looking good. Cooler heads need to prevail.

i dont think us is as big of an arsehole to traumatize relations with india for some khalistani guy but lets see

 

[Spitfire9]

Has any named Americunt official named this "Vikram Yadav", Samant Goel and Doval?
Or was that article yet another sutro se pata chala hai hit piece?

Ball is in their court, currently this drama is just to arm twist us, if they want to go further and burn bridges by dicking with the GE F414 then do be it, we made our own Nukes and ICBMs, we can make a lot more if appropriate foot to ass is applied from the high places.

Disgusting expressions of hatred do not encourage co-operation between parties.

If it transpires that the Indian state has been acting beyond its powers relating to dissent about GOI policy, a reaction is warranted.

Will a delay in a deal for the local assembly of GE F414 make a difference to the Tejas Mk2 development schedule (or no deal at all)? I believe that some GE F414 engines were delivered to India, weren't they? If India has half a dozen then this affair should not delay development, should it?

 

[shade]

Disgusting expressions of hatred do not encourage co-operation between parties.

If it transpires that the Indian state has been acting beyond its powers relating to dissent about GOI policy, a reaction is warranted.

Will a delay in a deal for the local assembly of GE F414 make a difference to the Tejas Mk2 development schedule (or no deal at all)? I believe that some GE F414 engines were delivered to India, weren't they? If India has half a dozen then this affair should not delay development, should it?

Hosting enemies of a country and encouraging them in their schemes is disgusting and doesn't encourage cooperation with said country.
"React" all you want, we will keep slaughtering our enemies that you think are safe upon your soil.

This goes for you too Paki.

 

[Spitfire9]

Hosting enemies of a country and encouraging them in their schemes is disgusting and doesn't encourage cooperation with said country.
"React" all you want, we will keep slaughtering our enemies that you think are safe upon your soil.

This goes for you too Paki.

Any signs of progress on the F414 deal for Tejas Mk2? IIRC GE plans to reach agreement with India this year. Assuming they can reach agreement, will that the deal need approval by the US Congress? If so,Tejas, Tejas Mk2 and AMCA Mk1 and Mk2 could face big problems if US investigators find strong evidence that India has done precisely what you claim it does:: kill or attempt to kill opponents in other countries.

 

[Anupu]

Any signs of progress on the F414 deal for Tejas Mk2? IIRC GE plans to reach agreement with India this year. Assuming they can reach agreement, will that the deal need approval by the US Congress? If so,Tejas, Tejas Mk2 and AMCA Mk1 and Mk2 could face big problems if US investigators find strong evidence that India has done precisely what you claim it does:: kill or attempt to kill opponents in other countries.

Are you sure you want to burn all the goodwill you have gained since the nuclear deal? If Americans want to die on the hill of Pannun it won’t be pretty. Kiss goodbye to any cooperation from India in the future.

 

[Spitfire9]

Are you sure you want to burn all the goodwill you have gained since the nuclear deal? If Americans want to die on the hill of Pannun it won’t be pretty. Kiss goodbye to any cooperation from India in the future.

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

 

[Satish Sharma]

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

So was the killing of Osama inside Pakistan extra judicial.
Any body who is hosting enemy of India who wants to use them as leverage and armtwist will be killed. We did in Pakistan many time will do it again even if he is in canada or USA.
The panunn was very much next target but after death of nijjar he went underground must have gotten security..
West is very good at armtwisting but this is not the india of pre 2014.
Us congress has already approved f414 deal..
Even if they have do u think they can afford to loose india. India is very much playing on how much weight it has on geopolitical grounds.
Usa will loose 2nd largest oil importer together with brics 1st & 2nd Largest oil importer & largest producers can do alot of harm.

 

[NutCracker]

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

If it harms India's sovereignty. YES. India is entitled.
No-one said US should accept it. They have option to extradite. Consider it analogous to britards invading Afghanistan with their Ameriturd masters to capture Laden and eliminate Taliban.

 

[Blademaster]

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

you have accepted your own country’s role in killing other citizens on foreign countries and you bullied them to accept the killings and stay quiet.

 

[Anupu]

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

It’s not a question of entitlements. Was US entitled to overthrow mossadegh? CIA is even suspected of assassinating Indian scientists including Homi Bhabha for slowing down India’s nuclear program. It’s a question of what you can get away with. International relations are like elephants they have 2 sets of teeth one for eating and one for display.

 

[Samej Jangir]

Are you serious? India is entitled kill people in other countries and those countries are supposed to accept that? I don't think any country will accept extra-judicial execution of their citizens by another country.

IF USA is entitled to kill people in India via their agents, even India can do the same in USA. It is 2 sided.

 

[Spitfire9]

The essence of what is being said above is that if the Indian government has a right to kill any US citizen it chooses to kill in the US if India sees fit so to do. The US should respect that right. Denying India that right would result in unfortunate consequences for the US.

If you will, believe that the US is going to accede to India dictating that US law does not apply to Indian actions in the US.

Almost forgot - does India also has a right to be supplied with the US technology it needs - for example, engines and spares required for Tejas Mk1, Mk1A, Mk2, AMCA Mk1 to be able to fly?

 

[Satish Sharma]

The essence of what is being said above is that if the Indian government has a right to kill any US citizen it chooses to kill in the US if India sees fit so. The US should respect that right. Denying India that right would result in unfortunate consequences for the US.

If you will, believe that the US is going to accede to India dictating that US law does not apply to Indian actions in the US.

Almost forgot - does India also has a right to be supplied with the US technology it needs - for example, engines and spares required for Tejas Mk1, Mk2, AMCA Mk1 to be able to fly.

Can usa afford india going completely in brics camp and creating a brics currency. And starts buying oil in brics currency instead of dollars ? Can us afford that.
There are 2 largest oil importers & exporters in brics. Remember that

 

[Azaad]

The essence of what is being said above is that if the Indian government has a right to kill any US citizen it chooses to kill in the US if India sees fit so to do. The US should respect that right. Denying India that right would result in unfortunate consequences for the US.

If you will, believe that the US is going to accede to India dictating that US law does not apply to Indian actions in the US.

Almost forgot - does India also has a right to be supplied with the US technology it needs - for example, engines and spares required for Tejas Mk1, Mk2, AMCA Mk1 to be able to fly.

If the US in spite of repeated representations from our side chooses to be deaf & blind to actors in the US who support seccesionism in India which incidentally took nearly a hundred thousand lives including that of a sitting PM & a bomb blast in a plane taking the lives of all 300+ passengers in it for which only 1 man was held guilty & had his sentence suspended after 8-10 yrs, when this unfolded the last time around, then India reserves the right to act to safeguard its interests & protect the lives of its citizens.

For perspective this happened around the same time as the Lockerbie bombing. How did the US & UK react then? Didn't that play a vital role in Gaddafi's ouster & subsequent assassination?

Why don't you read up more on the problem of Sikh extremism & the Khalistani problem to begin with to understand why theres absolute unanimty in the Indian position on this issue.

As far as US with holding tech for the GE - 414 & other projects, we've dealt with US sanctions before. In fact there's a sizeable lobby here who look forward to US sanctions just so it'd jump start various indigenous projects languishing from sheer apathy & lack of funds by the Government of India ( GoI)

 

[Spitfire9]

IF USA is entitled to kill people in India via their agents, even India can do the same in USA. It is 2 sided.

I would have thought it obvious that I do not think any country is entitled to kill people in other countries (outside of being at war with the other country). Not the US, not India, not any country.

 

[Anupu]

The essence of what is being said above is that if the Indian government has a right to kill any US citizen it chooses to kill in the US if India sees fit so to do. The US should respect that right. Denying India that right would result in unfortunate consequences for the US.

If you will, believe that the US is going to accede to India dictating that US law does not apply to Indian actions in the US.

Almost forgot - does India also has a right to be supplied with the US technology it needs - for example, engines and spares required for Tejas Mk1, Mk2, AMCA Mk1 to be able to fly?

Again with rights. There are no rights except what you can get away with. Did Americans get rights to blow up the nordstream pipeline from aqua man?

We have US in a bind and not because we will move to brics or anything like that. It’s because we actually help Americans out in the info pacific unlike its European allies who play hooky when it comes to china.

If you think Americans are offering engines and other defence goodies because of some kindness of their heart or any sense of morality you are naive beyond measure.

 

[Anupu]

I would have thought it obvious that I do not think any country is entitled to kill people in other countries (outside of being at war with the other country). Not the US, not India, not any country.

Bro you don’t decide anything don’t delude yourself into thinking that your sense of morality matters to the world. No one gives a crap not even your home country.

François Mario Bachand a member of flq was assassinated by Canadians in France.
CIA has assassinated god knows how many people.

India will get away with nijjar and pannun. As the mono polar world order breaks down and Indian economy becomes stronger it will get away with a lot more.

 

[Spitfire9]

If you think Americans are offering engines and other defence goodies because of some kindness of their heart or any sense of morality you are naive beyond measure.

Never said or suggested that.

 

[Anupu]

Nevers said or suggested that.

Then why are talking about rights and wrongs here? Are we talking about people or states.