Doesn't matter, it is irreverent, total number around/is 83.Currently trying to find the article where I have read the second part
Doesn't matter, it is irreverent, total number around/is 83.Currently trying to find the article where I have read the second part
Yeah found it, it's from IRDW, when I first read it didn't believe it too much, but now given the circumstances.... It may be trueDoesn't matter, it is irreverent, total number around/is 83.
Totally fake -Yeah found it, it's from IRDW, when I first read it didn't believe it too much, but now given the circumstances.... It may be true
But yeah, take with grain of salt, or truck of salt, upto others
I won't call the first part false, since it's written HAL or private sector.... And they are going with HAL.... But whatever..... It's not my job to judge... It's beyond my professional expertiseTotally fake -
if you consider the article -
First para- there is no private companies & GE don't know or predict no.of aircraft - its impossible
2nd Para- hot section ?? and 99 engine under 1billion $, - impossible , and IPR - ................
last 2para - ok fine
Conclusion- its about GE & US gov, not about India, and usa administration trying to destroy GE future - considering his article,
There is no "OR" or Private sector, but only HAL. HAL already manufacturing jet engines and no private company capable of doing it in 2007I won't call the first para false, since it's written HAL or private sector.... And they are going with HAL.... But whatever..... It's not my job to judge
1) most of the things under DTTI are hardly bleeding edge tech but USG was still not budging to Indian requests, engines is definitely amongst the most sensitive techs out there regardless of the generation. Expecting the USG’s plethora of executive agencies to sign off on a non-NATO, non treaty ally nation and that too one that they likely consider ‘problematic’ is more than a little optimistic. The US hasn’t offered anything like this even to their closest of close allies (Israel/5 eyes) so let’s keep dreaming.Again it is their supreme national interest which will guide them to transfer everything on F414 manufacturing to us. This is two decades old tech for them and they have already realised next generation advent engines and started work on its next generation- RDEs. But I'm not expecting you to come around right away.
I don't believe in comparisons but since you mentioned Turkey and their attempt to buy F-35. Let me ask you why we are discussing a possible F-35 sale even after India acquired S-400? India and Turkey aren't equals. The case you make simply doesn't hold water.
GE has an India presence for a lot of other products. It can incorporate a public limited company that manufactures GE engines in India. That way it will have access to the latest and greatest technology and R&D from GE parent. If HAL is given a TOT, the engine development of F414 would be stuck in time.There is no "OR" or Private sector, but only HAL. HAL already manufacturing jet engines and no private company capable of doing it in 2007
Also HAL is the manufacturing partner of ADA.
TOT is a scam, at most what is being sold here as ‘TOT’ is being able to manufacture most of the engine from locally sourced materials (I still expect the hot section to be entirely shipped from GE USA), not one modification will be done to an Indian 414 without explicit sanction and oversight by the OEMGE has an India presence for a lot of other products. It can incorporate a public limited company that manufactures GE engines in India. That way it will have access to the latest and greatest technology and R&D from GE parent. If HAL is given a TOT, the engine development of F414 would be stuck in time.
I completely agree TOT does nothing but adds cost to a component (be it engine or any other component) in the name of indigenization. Just look at the final cost of the SU 30 MKI & compare it with SU 30 SM2, the Tatra truck scam is also well known. The ToT is a way of activating the khao - piyo supply chain to milk the military budget.TOT is a scam, at most what is being sold here as ‘TOT’ is being able to manufacture most of the engine from locally sourced materials (I still expect the hot section to be entirely shipped from GE USA), not one modification will be done to an Indian 414 without explicit sanction and oversight by the OEM
the latest and greatest tech is not going to be on the table for a country like india.
Having local assembly of the engine seems reasonable given how many airframes and projects will rely on this tech and long term the local partner will be the MRO entity also. Given that HAL will be making the airframes it makes sense for them to have the engine assembly/MRO too, it’s a more comprehensive package and streamlined approach
For civil MRO there’s plenty of Indian private entities out there and more emerging, happily I’ve heard the largest MRO in India (AIESL) is being disinvested shortly too.
bullshit, expecting 100% ToT?? WTF are they smoking ??
No Funding Crunch, India’s LCA Tejas MK2 ‘In A Limbo’ Over ToT Approval; PM Modi’s US Visit Could Seal The Deal
ByGuest Author
May 14, 2023
The development of India’s indigenous LCA Mk2 fighter jets will begin after ToT (transfer of technology) is signed with the US engine manufacturing company GE Aviation.
Next month’s visit of Prime Narendra Modi to the White House is likely to churn the momentum of the deal, EurAsian Times has learned.
India’s medium-weight fighter (MWF), LCA Mk2, is an advanced version of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk1A, which is being used by the Indian Air Force (IAF).
The LCA Tejas series has been designed and developed by India’s government subsidiary Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), in active participation with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). LCA jets are manufactured in the Bengaluru facility of HAL.
Last year in September (2022), Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approved a sum of Rs 10,000 crore ($1.2B) for the development of the LCA Tejas MK2 project, which included prototype development and flight testing.
“This sum for the LCA MK2 project was sanctioned from the Defence Budget of the Ministry of Defence (MoD)”, said a top functionary involved in the project. “So there has been no crunch of funds, but the issue which has stalled the project is 100 percent Transfer of Technology (TOT) of the GE 414 engines from the US”, a top functionary at HAL told EurAsian Times.
LCA Mk2 is pitched to be 4.5 generation aircraft with a weight heavier than the LCA Mk1A. With a weight of 7.8 tons, LCA Mk2 is slated to carry a payload (weapons) of 6.5 tonnes.
While LCA Mk1A has 08 weapons pods, Mk2 aircraft has 11 weapons pods. HAL plans to weaponize Mk2 with indigenous missiles like Astra and Rudram beside French Meteor, Mica, and Scalp. MK2, when developed, is likely to replace IAF’s aging squadrons of Mirage 2000 and Jaguars fighter jets.
LCA MK2 jets are to be powered by GE-F414 INS6 engines of the US giant GE Aviation. The company is ‘willing’ to manufacture GE-414 engines in India under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s flagship program of ‘Make In India.’
The proposal is learned to have been pending before the US Congress now. India needs at least 99 such F414 engines for Mk2 aircraft. In 2021, HAL signed a deal worth Rs 5375 crores ($650M) for procuring 99 F404 engines from GE Aviation for LCA Tejas Mk1A aircraft.
Last month US Congressman Ro Khanna, on his visit to India, told the media that the deal for the ToT is likely to be done before PM Modi’s visit to the US, which is scheduled to be in the month of June.
As per the White House, PM Modi will attend a dinner hosted by President Joe Biden on June 22 at his official residence during the US visit.
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File Image: Modi & Biden
In January this year, National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval visited the US to attend the inaugural meeting of the initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies (iCET) with his counterpart Jake Sullivan. iCET was announced by PM Modi and President Biden in the year 2022.
After the January meeting between Doval and Sullivan, the White House issued a ‘fact sheet’ on Indo-US cooperation in the field of technology.
It read, “Developing a new bilateral Defense Industrial Cooperation Roadmap to accelerate technological cooperation between both countries for the joint development and production, with an initial focus on exploring projects related to jet engines, munition-related technologies, and other systems.”
It further mentioned about GE’s request, “Noting the United States has received an application from General Electric to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India. The United States commits to an expeditious review of this application.”
“Take the case of India’s first indigenous fighter jet project Marut (of the 60s), which failed primarily due to its engine. It was a well-designed and very capable aircraft, but the project doomed as the engine was not indigenous”, says Dr. Ravi Gupta, an Ex Scientist of DRDO.
Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is India’s leading defense establishment owned by the government and involved in the R&D of tanks, artillery guns, bombs, and missiles. ADA, which is involved in the design and development of the LCA Tejas series, is owned by DRDO.
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The Indian Air Force Tejas performs at the opening ceremony of the Singapore Air Show on February 15, 2022.
“So, if the LCA Mk2 project needs to be successful, its engine should be fully indigenous”, Dr. Gupta told EurAsian Times, emphasizing 100 percent ToT of GE-414 engines to India.
ADA and HAL had initially planned to develop the LCA Mk2 by the end of this year, i.e., by 2023, and production from 2025. But with the ToT issue still pending, the project will be delayed like the earlier versions of LCA Tejas and LCA Tejas Mk1A.
While presently, IAF operates 02 squadrons of basic Tejas aircraft, MoD had ordered 83 Mk1A fighters too.
ADA and HAL are working on the design and development of the 5th generation stealth fighter jet, AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft). The government aviation agencies need engines for AMCA too.
With the big demand for engines for indigenous fighters, the Modi-led Indian Government wants to manufacture these engines in India under the ‘Atma-Nirbhar’ (self-reliance) policy of New Delhi.
“There are numerous global aviation companies that manufacture fighter jets, but few have developed aircraft engines because the design and development of an aircraft engine is far more complicated than the design of an aircraft,” says Dr. Gupta. “If GE-414 engines are manufactured under ToT, India will be a world competitor for the design of aircraft engines”, he adds, boosting the ‘Make in India’ program.
Own comments-
The folks that are/have been in charge of Indian fighter aviation believe we should secure the engine production first to make the project a success. The question is should we believe them or disbelievers spamming pages upon pages here?
You can learn a great deal out of this rest depends on how you use the learning which we will not as usual.TOT is a scam, at most what is being sold here as ‘TOT’ is being able to manufacture most of the engine from locally sourced materials (I still expect the hot section to be entirely shipped from GE USA), not one modification will be done to an Indian 414 without explicit sanction and oversight by the OEM
the latest and greatest tech is not going to be on the table for a country like india.
Having local assembly of the engine seems reasonable given how many airframes and projects will rely on this tech and long term the local partner will be the MRO entity also. Given that HAL will be making the airframes it makes sense for them to have the engine assembly/MRO too, it’s a more comprehensive package and streamlined approach
For civil MRO there’s plenty of Indian private entities out there and more emerging, happily I’ve heard the largest MRO in India (AIESL) is being disinvested shortly too.
Not really , the increase in cost is due to multiple factors.I completely agree TOT does nothing but adds cost to a component (be it engine or any other component) in the name of indigenization. Just look at the final cost of the SU 30 MKI & compare it with SU 30 SM2, the Tatra truck scam is also well known. The ToT is a way of activating the khao - piyo supply chain to milk the military budget.
Sir is Eurasian times reliable as janes ?
No Funding Crunch, India’s LCA Tejas MK2 ‘In A Limbo’ Over ToT Approval; PM Modi’s US Visit Could Seal The Deal
ByGuest Author
May 14, 2023
The development of India’s indigenous LCA Mk2 fighter jets will begin after ToT (transfer of technology) is signed with the US engine manufacturing company GE Aviation.
Next month’s visit of Prime Narendra Modi to the White House is likely to churn the momentum of the deal, EurAsian Times has learned.
India’s medium-weight fighter (MWF), LCA Mk2, is an advanced version of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk1A, which is being used by the Indian Air Force (IAF).
The LCA Tejas series has been designed and developed by India’s government subsidiary Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), in active participation with Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). LCA jets are manufactured in the Bengaluru facility of HAL.
Last year in September (2022), Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approved a sum of Rs 10,000 crore ($1.2B) for the development of the LCA Tejas MK2 project, which included prototype development and flight testing.
“This sum for the LCA MK2 project was sanctioned from the Defence Budget of the Ministry of Defence (MoD)”, said a top functionary involved in the project. “So there has been no crunch of funds, but the issue which has stalled the project is 100 percent Transfer of Technology (TOT) of the GE 414 engines from the US”, a top functionary at HAL told EurAsian Times.
LCA Mk2 is pitched to be 4.5 generation aircraft with a weight heavier than the LCA Mk1A. With a weight of 7.8 tons, LCA Mk2 is slated to carry a payload (weapons) of 6.5 tonnes.
While LCA Mk1A has 08 weapons pods, Mk2 aircraft has 11 weapons pods. HAL plans to weaponize Mk2 with indigenous missiles like Astra and Rudram beside French Meteor, Mica, and Scalp. MK2, when developed, is likely to replace IAF’s aging squadrons of Mirage 2000 and Jaguars fighter jets.
LCA MK2 jets are to be powered by GE-F414 INS6 engines of the US giant GE Aviation. The company is ‘willing’ to manufacture GE-414 engines in India under Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s flagship program of ‘Make In India.’
The proposal is learned to have been pending before the US Congress now. India needs at least 99 such F414 engines for Mk2 aircraft. In 2021, HAL signed a deal worth Rs 5375 crores ($650M) for procuring 99 F404 engines from GE Aviation for LCA Tejas Mk1A aircraft.
Last month US Congressman Ro Khanna, on his visit to India, told the media that the deal for the ToT is likely to be done before PM Modi’s visit to the US, which is scheduled to be in the month of June.
As per the White House, PM Modi will attend a dinner hosted by President Joe Biden on June 22 at his official residence during the US visit.
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File Image: Modi & Biden
In January this year, National Security Advisor (NSA) Ajit Doval visited the US to attend the inaugural meeting of the initiative on Critical and Emerging Technologies (iCET) with his counterpart Jake Sullivan. iCET was announced by PM Modi and President Biden in the year 2022.
After the January meeting between Doval and Sullivan, the White House issued a ‘fact sheet’ on Indo-US cooperation in the field of technology.
It read, “Developing a new bilateral Defense Industrial Cooperation Roadmap to accelerate technological cooperation between both countries for the joint development and production, with an initial focus on exploring projects related to jet engines, munition-related technologies, and other systems.”
It further mentioned about GE’s request, “Noting the United States has received an application from General Electric to jointly produce jet engines that could power jet aircraft operated and produced indigenously by India. The United States commits to an expeditious review of this application.”
“Take the case of India’s first indigenous fighter jet project Marut (of the 60s), which failed primarily due to its engine. It was a well-designed and very capable aircraft, but the project doomed as the engine was not indigenous”, says Dr. Ravi Gupta, an Ex Scientist of DRDO.
Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is India’s leading defense establishment owned by the government and involved in the R&D of tanks, artillery guns, bombs, and missiles. ADA, which is involved in the design and development of the LCA Tejas series, is owned by DRDO.
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The Indian Air Force Tejas performs at the opening ceremony of the Singapore Air Show on February 15, 2022.
“So, if the LCA Mk2 project needs to be successful, its engine should be fully indigenous”, Dr. Gupta told EurAsian Times, emphasizing 100 percent ToT of GE-414 engines to India.
ADA and HAL had initially planned to develop the LCA Mk2 by the end of this year, i.e., by 2023, and production from 2025. But with the ToT issue still pending, the project will be delayed like the earlier versions of LCA Tejas and LCA Tejas Mk1A.
While presently, IAF operates 02 squadrons of basic Tejas aircraft, MoD had ordered 83 Mk1A fighters too.
ADA and HAL are working on the design and development of the 5th generation stealth fighter jet, AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft). The government aviation agencies need engines for AMCA too.
With the big demand for engines for indigenous fighters, the Modi-led Indian Government wants to manufacture these engines in India under the ‘Atma-Nirbhar’ (self-reliance) policy of New Delhi.
“There are numerous global aviation companies that manufacture fighter jets, but few have developed aircraft engines because the design and development of an aircraft engine is far more complicated than the design of an aircraft,” says Dr. Gupta. “If GE-414 engines are manufactured under ToT, India will be a world competitor for the design of aircraft engines”, he adds, boosting the ‘Make in India’ program.
Own comments-
The folks that are/have been in charge of Indian fighter aviation believe we should secure the engine production first to make the project a success. The question is should we believe them or disbelievers spamming pages upon pages here?
Assuming you are not being sarcastic, No it is not. Hence usual T&C apply. Eurasian Times is a rag of the lowest order. Anyways, PM Modi's visit is not faraway. The wheat and chaff will separate on its own.Sir is Eurasian times reliable as janes ?
I know how unreliable EurAsian Times is thats why I am asking sirAssuming you are not being sarcastic, No it is not. Hence usual T&C apply. Eurasian Times is a rag of the lowest order. Anyways, PM Modi's visit is not faraway. The wheat and chaff will separate on its own.
Both are unreliable af just wait till pms visitI know how unreliable EurAsian Times is thats why I am asking sir
Nothing bro ... Just throwing arrows in air .. some may struck the target and turnout to be true.I know how unreliable EurAsian Times is thats why I am asking sir
Eurasian times article similar to idrw, ie less reliable.Sir is Eurasian times reliable as janes ?
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