ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[NutCracker]

Do we recover those drop tanks? Are they reusable after being dropped onto hard ground or rocks?

No, Its impossible. once Tejas drop tank fell in fields of TN. This is how it looks.

Thats why I am asking how cheap it is to just jettison those tanks.

 

[Blademaster]

No, Its impossible. once Tejas drop tank fell in fields of TN. This is how it looks.

Thats why I am asking how cheap it is to just jettison those tanks.

That is what I thought.

 

[Lonewolf]

That is what I thought.

Why you jettison them , just fly with them ,have refueling and then land back

 

[Roland55]

No, Its impossible. once Tejas drop tank fell in fields of TN. This is how it looks.

Thats why I am asking how cheap it is to just jettison those tanks.

It looks like the pylon also separated, could it be?

 

[Blademaster]

Why you jettison them , just fly with them ,have refueling and then land back

It has a drag penalty and can hinder your ability maneuver in times of combat.

 

[Lonewolf]

It has a drag penalty and can hinder your ability maneuver in times of combat.

When you are in combat ,you don't care about fuel tank when you are firing a million dollar missile

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

No, Its impossible. once Tejas drop tank fell in fields of TN. This is how it looks.

Thats why I am asking how cheap it is to just jettison those tanks.

Most of the time not possible to reuse those tanks, once dropped they are scrapped

 

[Bleh]

Thats why I am asking how cheap it is to just jettison those tanks.

Compared to the price to keep the jet airworthy & ops per hour... Very!

It has a drag penalty and can hinder your ability maneuver in times of combat.

Actually you don't jettison then unless you have to, so they'd get back a fair percentage of times.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

It looks like the pylon also separated, could it be?

Yup. The Pylon has got separated from the aircraft. Looks like maintenance issue.

 

[skdking]

Are DROP TANKS jettisoned by the aircraft, once they become empty, even in peacetime by IAF?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Are DROP TANKS jettisoned by the aircraft, once they become empty, even in peacetime by IAF?

NO, only if necessary due to some performance issue

 

[Blademaster]

Why you jettison them , just fly with them ,have refueling and then land back

Then you might as well get conformal fuel tanks instead of the drop tanks.

 

[yourmum]

So I'm new to Defence but recently A Pakistani on reddit claimed their JF 17 to be superior to anything "india ever assembled". I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17 but according to him, China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian and JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered" Gripen. Now, i know this sounds like a utter rubbish but his Chinese Statements does make sense. In case they can just buy more J10CEs.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17

AFAIK Mk1 exceeds JFT in everything from MTOW to avionics despite its smaller size.
Mk1 A is far fetched.

China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian

Too bad China didn't equip Pak with best one. Pakistan barely could purchase any fighter in good numbers given its pathetic economy. JF-17 is affordable air power, not potent air power. It's more similar to a beefed MiG-21 (in fact JFT is based on Chinese F-7) which itself is a copy of MiG-21.

It couldn't pass an Indian RFI even in 1995. Just as any Indian fighter inducted after 1990s can't fit in Pakistani budget exceeded 20 nos. JFT is a vintage fighter rebuilt for poor countries whether Pakistanis like it.

JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered"

Tejas Mk2 is re-engineered Tejas Mk1 and a medium weight fighter in F-16V/J-10C category. JF-17 lies in class of MiG-21 Bison which India is no longer acquiring, closing the case.

Pakistanis may be making noise as acquiring sizable air power is a new and exciting thing for them. But kind of fleet and missiles they have is vintage and small by standards of any middle power, in fact a joke in front Egypt or KSA, leave alone India.

they can just buy more J10CEs.

Buying is not a just can in case of Pakistan. They have either to beg for aid, buy second-hand, lend their @$$ or buy in abysmally small numbers.

Purchasing J10C when you already have F-16V is anyway something beyond we can understand.

 

[jai jaganath]

So I'm new to Defence but recently A Pakistani on reddit claimed their JF 17 to be superior to anything "india ever assembled". I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17 but according to him, China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian and JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered" Gripen. Now, i know this sounds like a utter rubbish but his Chinese Statements does make sense. In case they can just buy more J10CEs.

It's them who assemble jf blunder with 0 contrubution
We make and engineer tejas mk1, mk1a, mk2
Even when we assembled we had our own manufactured components infact many critical components where ours in so called assembled aircraft but they haven't even manufactured a screw for it
True bastards

 

[NutCracker]

So I'm new to Defence but recently A Pakistani on reddit claimed their JF 17 to be superior to anything "india ever assembled". I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17 but according to him, China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian and JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered" Gripen. Now, i know this sounds like a utter rubbish but his Chinese Statements does make sense. In case they can just buy more J10CEs.

Porkies operate 2/3rd JF-17A/B variants .. MK1 is better than those..

MK1A better than their future jf-17C.

MK2 very comparable to j-10C in A2A capacity.

Purchasing J10C when you already have F-16V is anyway something beyond we can understand.

"V" means viper /70/72.. which they dont have and US wont sell.. they have C/D - 50/52

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

So I'm new to Defence but recently A Pakistani on reddit claimed their JF 17 to be superior to anything "india ever assembled". I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17 but according to him, China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian and JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered" Gripen. Now, i know this sounds like a utter rubbish but his Chinese Statements does make sense. In case they can just buy more J10CEs.

You should have invited him here for discussion people here love to educate porki morons

 

[Corvus Splendens]

So I'm new to Defence but recently A Pakistani on reddit claimed their JF 17 to be superior to anything "india ever assembled". I told him Tejas Mk1A is more comparable to JF 17 but according to him, China will always be ahead of India and will equip Pakistan for it to be ahead of Indian and JF 17 is more comparable with Tejas Mk2 which is "reverse engineered" Gripen. Now, i know this sounds like a utter rubbish but his Chinese Statements does make sense. In case they can just buy more J10CEs.

I'm afraid he is correct


Specifications (JF-17 Block 13)
Data from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex marketing brochure and official website

General characteristics

• Crew: 1 (single-seat JF-17A) or 2 (dual-seat JF-17B)
• Length: 14.326 m (47 ft 0 in)
• Wingspan: 9.44 m (31 ft 0 in)
• Height: 4.57 m (15 ft 0 in)
• Wing area: 24.43 m2 (263.0 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 7,965 kg (17,560 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 13,5000 kg
• Fuel capacity: 3,0000 L internal; 1 x 8000 L center-line drop tank; 2 x 8000 L inboard under-wing drop tanks
• Powerplant: 1 × Guizhou WS-13 Impulse Engine with Hyperdrive, 72 million kN thrust dry, 99 million kN with afterburner

Performance

• Maximum speed: Warp 13
• Cruise speed: Warp 6
• Stall speed: Warp 1
• Combat range: 72 LightYears, 420 LightYears with Buddy Refueling
• Ferry range: 50 LightYears
• Service ceiling: ∞
• g limits: ∞
• Rate of climb: 30,000 m/s
• Thrust/weight: 420 with WS-13

Armament

• Guns: 1 × 23 mm twin-barrel Photon Cannon or 1 × 30 mm twin-barrel Turbolaser
• Hardpoints: 80 (20 × wingtip, 40 × under-wing, 10 × under-fuselage, 10 × chin) with capacity for octa ejector racks on each under-wing hardpoint.
• Payload: 3,700 tonnes external stores
• Missiles:
  • Air-to-air missiles:
    • PL-5EII — (Infrared-homing Long Range Impulse Missile)
    • PL-9C — (Infrared-homing Long Range Disruptor Missile)
    • PL-10E — (Infrared-homing Medium range Corrosion Missile)
    • R-Darter — (Radar-homing Beyond visual range Blaster Harpoon)
    • PL-12 (SD-10A) — (Radar-guided beyond visual range Implosion Torpedo)
    • PL-15E — (Radar-guided Very long range Exterminatus Torpedo)
  • Air-to-surface missiles:
    • CM-102 — (Abyss-Break missile)
    • LD-10 — (DOOM missile)
    • MAR-1 — (Desert Killer missile)
    • Raandi-II — (Transonic continent-killer quantum cruise missile)
    • HD-1A — (Supersonic continent-killer/anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
  • Anti-ship missiles:
    • C-601 — (anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
    • C-705KD — (anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
    • C-802AK — (Supersonic anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
    • CM-400AKG - (Supersonic anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
    • HD-1A — (Supersonic continent-killer/anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
• Bombs:
  • Unguided bombs:
    • 250 kg — Pre-fragmented photon bomb
    • Mk-82 — (General-purpose neutron bomb)
    • Mk-83 — (General-purpose halcyon bomb)
    • Mk-84 — (General-purpose implosion bomb)
    • HAFR-1/HAFR-2 — (Anti-Phalanx/Anti-Blackstone Fortress bomb)
    • RPB-1 — (Anti-Phalanx/Anti-Blackstone Fortress bomb)
  • Guided bombs:
    • GBU-10 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
    • GBU-12 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
    • GBU-16 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
    • LT-2 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
    • H-2 SOW — (Precision-guided Nuclear glide bomb)
    • H-4 SOW — (Precision-guided Nuclear glide bomb)
    • GB-6 — (Precision-guided Stealth Nuclear glide bomb)
    • NORINCO GB-250A — (250 kg Extended Range GPS/INS-Guided Quantum Bomb)
    • NORINCO GB-500 — (500 kg Laser-Guided Quantum Bomb)
    • LS-6 — (Extended-range GPS/INS guided Quantum bomb)
    • GIDS Takbir — (GPS/INS guided Black Hole bomb)
    • GIDS Range Extension Kit — (GPS/INS guided Supernova bomb)

Avionics

• KLJ-7A — Active electronically scanned array halal (AESAH) Fire-control radar
• 4 x S740 - Meteor Approach Warning System (MAWS)
• JZ/YD 125 - Halal Certification Identification System (HCIS)
• MIL-STD-1553 — Transgalactic Data Link
• Link-17 — Tactical AI LINK
• Others:
  • Aselsan ASELPOD — Advanced Proton/Electron Targeting Pod (Electro-Optical Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Targeting System)
  • WMD-7 — FLIR Galactic Rim Targeting Pod
  • KG600/KG700 — Warpspeed Electronic Countermeasure (WECM) / Self-Protection Jamming Pod
  • Countermeasures — Chaff, Flares, Biriyani Packets
  • PK16LE ∞ -∞ exo-ejection seat

 

[Indx TechStyle]

I'm afraid he is correct

Doesn't look like the payload is enough to carry all the armament?

General characteristics

• Crew: 1 (single-seat JF-17A) or 2 (dual-seat JF-17B)
• Length: 14.326 m (47 ft 0 in)
• Wingspan: 9.44 m (31 ft 0 in)
• Height: 4.57 m (15 ft 0 in)
• Wing area: 24.43 m2 (263.0 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 7,965 kg (17,560 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 13,5000 kg

Edit: Oops

Seen that you were trolling now.

• Powerplant: 1 × Guizhou WS-13 Impulse Engine with Hyperdrive, 72 million kN thrust dry, 99 million kN with afterburner

• Maximum speed: Warp 13
• Cruise speed: Warp 6
• Stall speed: Warp 1
• Combat range: 72 LightYears, 420 LightYears with Buddy Refueling
• Ferry range: 50 LightYears
• Service ceiling: ∞
• g limits: ∞
• Rate of climb: 30,000 m/s
• Thrust/weight: 420 with WS-13

• Guns: 1 × 23 mm twin-barrel Photon Cannon or 1 × 30 mm twin-barrel Turbolaser
• Hardpoints: 80 (20 × wingtip, 40 × under-wing, 10 × under-fuselage, 10 × chin) with capacity for octa ejector racks on each under-wing hardpoint.

• Payload: 3,700 tonnes external stores

Air-to-air missiles:

• PL-5EII — (Infrared-homing Long Range Impulse Missile)
• PL-9C — (Infrared-homing Long Range Disruptor Missile)
• PL-10E — (Infrared-homing Medium range Corrosion Missile)
• R-Darter — (Radar-homing Beyond visual range Blaster Harpoon)
• PL-12 (SD-10A) — (Radar-guided beyond visual range Implosion Torpedo)
• PL-15E — (Radar-guided Very long range Exterminatus Torpedo)

• CM-102 — (Abyss-Break missile)
• LD-10 — (DOOM missile)
• MAR-1 — (Desert Killer missile)
• Raandi-II — (Transonic continent-killer quantum cruise missile)
• HD-1A — (Supersonic continent-killer/anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)

• C-601 — (anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
• C-705KD — (anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
• C-802AK — (Supersonic anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
• CM-400AKG - (Supersonic anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)
• HD-1A — (Supersonic continent-killer/anti-super star destroyer cruise missile)

• 250 kg — Pre-fragmented photon bomb
• Mk-82 — (General-purpose neutron bomb)
• Mk-83 — (General-purpose halcyon bomb)
• Mk-84 — (General-purpose implosion bomb)
• HAFR-1/HAFR-2 — (Anti-Phalanx/Anti-Blackstone Fortress bomb)
• RPB-1 — (Anti-Phalanx/Anti-Blackstone Fortress bomb)

• GBU-10 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
• GBU-12 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
• GBU-16 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
• LT-2 — (Laser-guided Halal bomb)
• H-2 SOW — (Precision-guided Nuclear glide bomb)
• H-4 SOW — (Precision-guided Nuclear glide bomb)
• GB-6 — (Precision-guided Stealth Nuclear glide bomb)
• NORINCO GB-250A — (250 kg Extended Range GPS/INS-Guided Quantum Bomb)
• NORINCO GB-500 — (500 kg Laser-Guided Quantum Bomb)
• LS-6 — (Extended-range GPS/INS guided Quantum bomb)
• GIDS Takbir — (GPS/INS guided Black Hole bomb)
• GIDS Range Extension Kit — (GPS/INS guided Supernova bomb)

• KLJ-7A — Active electronically scanned array halal (AESAH) Fire-control radar
• 4 x S740 - Meteor Approach Warning System (MAWS)
• JZ/YD 125 - Halal Certification Identification System (HCIS)
• MIL-STD-1553 — Transgalactic Data Link
• Link-17 — Tactical AI LINK

• Aselsan ASELPOD — Advanced Proton/Electron Targeting Pod (Electro-Optical Reconnaissance, Surveillance, and Targeting System)
• WMD-7 — FLIR Galactic Rim Targeting Pod
• KG600/KG700 — Warpspeed Electronic Countermeasure (WECM) / Self-Protection Jamming Pod
• Countermeasures — Chaff, Flares, Biriyani Packets
• PK16LE ∞ -∞ exo-ejection seat

Exo-ejection ejaculation seat.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

@Indx TechStyle you need to see this. 97.5 percent earth is confirm HINDUphobic. We need 5000 nukes immediately.

How is this related to this thread? It is very much off topic. The mods should move it to the appropriate thread. Anyways check the date of the French Embassy’s tweet, it’s in 2018.